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247 Responds to Rankings Fiasco

KingCane20 said:
That’s not the only thing that’s being discussed here. People are saying that 24/7 should drop ON3 and they are the problem. I’m pointing out that ON3, Rivals, 24/7 are founded by the same person. LCE tried to explain this month’s ago.
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This notion came up AFTER 247 advised of On3’s rating being taken into consideration. So the side topic became should 247 drop On3 from its composite. It’s true, they are started by the same person, but each time, a different formula has been used.

Once upon a time, The Parade section of the news paper was the Bible for recruiting, then came along Rivals. As time progressed, Rivals became the blue print for recruit rankings. Shannon sold it to Yahoo. When 247 was in its infant stages, their matrix was not the biz for recruiting, then it became the preeminent site (sold to CBS)

Although the same person is now the founder of On3, the same pattern is being shown: kinks from a flawed matrix, & then over a period of time, it’ll be a good chance On3 will become the most “accurate” site through trial & error.

Imo, b/c they are a new company w/o the man power to properly assess analytics as of now, I think they should not be included in the 247 composite score which includes 247, Rivals, & ESPN rankings/scores. Maybe after 3 yrs, they could be included, but for now, they need to work out their recruiting data base/matrix/analytics.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Look at some of the most disproportionately overrated recruits on the on3 website. Guys who have a MUCH higher rating with on3 than the consensus of the other sites (meaning the on3 is not only higher, but it also causes the consensus to increase, and the consensus would be lower if not for on3's overly high rating):

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11. Jven Williams, PED STATE commit (65 consensus)
20. Adepoju Adebawore, heavy OKLAHOMA lean (72 consensus)
28. Markis Deal, heavy TEXAS lean (88 consensus)
29. Darron Reed, LSU commit (170 consensus)
24. Joshua Mickens, LSU commit (118 consensus)
39. Daniel Harris, GEORGIA commit (139 consensus)
48. Eugene Wilson, FLORIDA commit (147 consensus)
49. TJ Searcy, FLORIDA commit (153 consensus)
50. Aidan Mizell, heavy FLORIDA lean (106 consensus)
54. Derion Gullette, heavy TEXAS lean (122 consensus)
55. Tyler Williams, heavy GEORGIA lean (127 consensus)
58. Dashawn Womack, LSU commit (112 consensus)
60. Yhonzae Pierre, ALABAMA commit (165 consensus)
64. Roderick Kearney, F$U commit (116 consensus)
70. S'Maje Burrell, TEXAS commit (232 consensus)
76. Kayin Lee, OHIO TAINT commit (166 consensus)

And don't even get me started on Nathan Efobi, the #84 on3 player who is #560 in the composite

So I just pulled out 16 guys from the Top 76 players who had on3 "over-ratings" of 50 spots or more when compared to the COMPOSITE of on3, Rivals, 247, and ESPN. This means the differential would be even greater if you pulled on3 OUT OF the consensus.

That means roughly 20% of the Top 75 recruits (per on3) are GREATLY overrated compared to the other three services. And these are "Top 75" type kids, usually any and all ratings services can recognize the best of the best. I'm not expecting the rankings to be identical, but you would at least not expect to see wild discrepancies for the best-of-the-best players.

And look where these kids are going. Lots of Texas and Florida and LSU in there. And, sure, one could argue "yeah, but those schools always get good players", which is not completely true (certainly not that true of Florida). But what we DO know is that the SEC fanbases are loudmouths who demand ratings bumps for all their recruits. Florida fans in particular tend to harass the website writers to give their recruits bumps, and act as if their subscriber base justifies better coverage for "their" recruits. And we also know that as on3 got off the ground, most of the staffed websites and writers were in SEC and Big 10 markets.

I hope that on3 gets better in its evaluations soon, because if on3 is going to be a part of the "consensus" rankings, then they need to try harder not to be a statistical outlier with so many recruits.
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If on3 pays me what I get paid now, I would do a better job than anyone on there. Send me to evaluate WR or RBs.
 
JeddTheFisch said:
I fail to see how a composite rating formula is being improved by adding on3 at this stage.

I also wouldn't add it until I had at least some idea of what on3's rating mechanism is (I suspect it is highly suspect at this stage).

Regardless, I don't care. We got a good player, and our fans stuck up for him on the internet.
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Exactly, bro. At the end of the day Jayden is a 5 star kid & we got a great player, but I’m not adding On3 ratings/rankings along w/ other established sites that’s been in the game for 10+ yrs. It’s clear their mechanisms r all over the place.
 
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Ispyin said:
As someone who has overseen teams that develop websites based off of databases as a part of different jobs I’ve had, the odds that they were manually entering in all this information as opposed to having a set of rules that apply and automatically put things over is pretty ******* infinitesimal in 2022. Meaning I don’t buy this bull**** story that this a bug overall vs one exception.
If it is an API integration it would have affected other players as well not just one among hundreds including dozens that have also transferred
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This is a interesting post. As a non-IT guy, this really makes me wonder about this whole fiasco.
 
There’s some serious discrepancies between the recruiting sites regarding Wayne. Rivals has him as the #17 overall player. 247 has him #36. ESPN has him #74 and On**** has him rated #93. There’s a significant gap between being 17th overall and barely cracking the top 100
 
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bobbydigius said:
They update your profile everytime you transfer. The On3 rankings patch into the composite obviously didn’t transfer over. This actually may affect Riley Williams as well, although it may actually help his ranking because On3 has him rated high. They fvcked up pretty bad and the timing is suspect af. The good news is that this is just bringing more attention to Miami. We are clearly a victim here as is Jayden Wayne. They ruined this kids moment.
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These people literally are the scum of the earth. To do a kid and his family like that on their big day is inexcusable.
 
KingCane20 said:
That’s not the only thing that’s being discussed here. People are saying that 24/7 should drop ON3 and they are the problem. I’m pointing out that ON3, Rivals, 24/7 are founded by the same person. LCE tried to explain this month’s ago.
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Wow, thanks for the history lesson that everyone already knows.

The issue is not "who founded on3", the issue is that on3 does not yet even have a website for every Division I university. Until they become a nationwide network with enough staffing to evaluate all the recruits properly, they should be dropped from the composite.
 
I suspect the **** hit the fan with 247cause Miami is one of if not their biggest fan base
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Wow, thanks for the history lesson that everyone already knows.

The issue is not "who founded on3", the issue is that on3 does not yet even have a website for every Division I university. Until they become a nationwide network with enough staffing to evaluate all the recruits properly, they should be dropped from the composite.
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Thanks for only reading one part of the question that I posed to him that he basically agreed to me with his answer.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Wow, thanks for the history lesson that everyone already knows.

The issue is not "who founded on3", the issue is that on3 does not yet even have a website for every Division I university. Until they become a nationwide network with enough staffing to evaluate all the recruits properly, they should be dropped from the composite.
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The point is the networks use the same formula, from basically the same people.They aren’t scouts nor talent evaluator’s. You are giving 24/7 a pass when they shouldn’t be given one. None of the sites should be given a pass. Kids, parents, and coaches are affected by these amateur scouts.

Go back and watch the video I posted with coach Hayes breaking it down. I’ve also seen a interview with Brandon Meriweather where he had the same issues with the whole process with regards to star rankings.
 
Eugene Wilson is ranked ahead of Bobby Washington and Stafford on the composite rankings despite Bobby being projected by 247 as 2-3 rd pick and Wilson being a 4-7 round pick.

In the 247 rankings both of them are ranked ahead of Wilson.

I don’t have a problem with various sites ranking players differently. It’s still up to someone to evaluate and rank them.
The issue is that we as adults really don’t grasp how important these sites and these rankings are to recruits.

For instance. People still get into arguments on here about wether or not st26 was a nationally recruited player vs he was unknown.
If you put Sean Taylor in a DeLorean and made him a 2023 recruit where would he rank?

Now imagine the attention he would have. The media exposure. The pressure, the amount of messages and phone calls.
It’s a different animal. And at the forefront of it are 2 companies that dictate where your ranked at. So you can go from zero to hero overnight if you kill it in some camp.

20 years ago unless you subscribed to A magazine or lived if sofla you would have no idea who tf Sean Taylor was.
Today you would have all of his highlights and a bunch of video interviews before he even ended his sophomore year.

Then you have guys that get huge bumps when they get offered by and commit to a frontrunner.

Imagine being a 3 star and getting a commitable offer by Bama uga or osu.
Then you wake up some day and your in the top 50 nationally.
Imagine the complete change in your life just by that one action. Now you go to some camp and everyone knows who you are. Reporters are lining up to interview you. Street agents asking to talk to you.

And then you see people commit to a non frontrunner school and their rating drops.
Now How the fuukkee are you gonna tell me that it’s not affecting recruiting. And how is this not an advantage to those schools that boost up a players rating vs those that cause the ratings to drop on the notion that you have a lower chance of being drafted!!!!

You’re literally telling kids “if you go to that school you just fcked yourself”.

Anyone paying money to these sites has been giving money to people that inderectly tell recruits “you have a lower chance of being drafted if you pick UM.
 
pacusmc said:
Eugene Wilson is ranked ahead of Bobby Washington and Stafford on the composite rankings despite Bobby being projected by 247 as 2-3 rd pick and Wilson being a 4-7 round pick.

In the 247 rankings both of them are ranked ahead of Wilson.

I don’t have a problem with various sites ranking players differently. It’s still up to someone to evaluate and rank them.
The issue is that we as adults really don’t grasp how important these sites and these rankings are to recruits.

For instance. People still get into arguments on here about wether or not st26 was a nationally recruited player vs he was unknown.
If you put Sean Taylor in a DeLorean and made him a 2023 recruit where would he rank?

Now imagine the attention he would have. The media exposure. The pressure, the amount of messages and phone calls.
It’s a different animal. And at the forefront of it are 2 companies that dictate where your ranked at. So you can go from zero to hero overnight if you kill it in some camp.

20 years ago unless you subscribed to A magazine or lived if sofla you would have no idea who tf Sean Taylor was.
Today you would have all of his highlights and a bunch of video interviews before he even ended his sophomore year.

Then you have guys that get huge bumps when they get offered by and commit to a frontrunner.

Imagine being a 3 star and getting a commitable offer by Bama uga or osu.
Then you wake up some day and your in the top 50 nationally.
Imagine the complete change in your life just by that one action. Now you go to some camp and everyone knows who you are. Reporters are lining up to interview you. Street agents asking to talk to you.

And then you see people commit to a non frontrunner school and their rating drops.
Now How the fuukkee are you gonna tell me that it’s not affecting recruiting. And how is this not an advantage to those schools that boost up a players rating vs those that cause the ratings to drop on the notion that you have a lower chance of being drafted!!!!

You’re literally telling kids “if you go to that school you just fcked yourself”.

Anyone paying money to these sites has been giving money to people that inderectly tell recruits “you have a lower chance of being drafted if you pick UM.
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It’s the nature of the beast now and we ourselves helped it get there. In the end what happened here was an unfortunate mistake that frankly has been great for us. It has just brought more attention to the Miami brand. In the meantime, the significance of the drop was Wayne lost his 5th star but dude didn’t plummet down the rankings. He is still the 40th ranked player in the nation. Now in terms of the rankings fvckin with Miami. I think a strong argument can be made that they overate our players. Sure there are always individual rankings we may look at and scuff at but overall go through class by class and pick out where they really screwed us? They help us more often than not.
 
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LeavingJesusland said:
We’ve been irrelevant for 20 years and y’all think there is some mass conspiracy against us 🤣
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You don't think Emmert's blind eye to the SEC bag game, multiple NCAA investigations, and ACC good ole boy **** us to tears conference aren't part of the reason why we have been **** for 20 yrs?

The mass conspiracy has been in place for years, problem has been our Admin was complicit in the scheme... UNTIL NOW.
 
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SFbayCane said:
Why is ON3 being used as a metric for anything? They've been in business for 45 minutes. Who even knows anything about their management or who is funding them?

Why not compare it to ESPN?
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Composite is Rivals, ESPN, and On3 combined with 247.
 
SFbayCane said:
Why is ON3 being used as a metric for anything? They've been in business for 45 minutes. Who even knows anything about their management or who is funding them?

Why not compare it to ESPN?
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The guy who co-founded rivals AND founded 247 started on3 🤷🏼‍♂️

not saying their ratings are good but it’s not like nystateofmind started it
 
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