This wasn’t an undefeated team

DMoney
DMoney
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Don’t get me wrong. There is no excuse for always being confused or out leveraged. That coaching or players not playing to their assignment. I don’t know which one it is or both.

But I did see multiple times a player in position to make a play and they didn’t. 100% on the players. Kiko has been terrible. Taking the wrong gap or flat out missing tackles in space.

Harris taking bad angles and once again missing tackles in space. They guys have to make a play and they just aren’t good enough to do so. That is talent.

#20 looking into the field side when a WR burns Porter for a TD. Patterson covered grass that play. Is that coaching or him not understanding and playing the QB who made one read.

How much is it talent verse coaching?

Tyler Baron is another guy that is in position to make plays and is out there dancing, looking like a mummy trying to grab a ball carrier in space.

Bit of a pile jumper, too.
 
Amazing we are in year 3 complaining about talent, with a coach whose “specialty” is talent acquisition. Not to mention, the portal that supposed to expedite that acquisition process. If Mario can’t get that part right, what does that say about the future of this team
 
Tyler Baron is another guy that is in position to make plays and is out there dancing, looking like a mummy trying to grab a ball carrier in space.

Bit of a pile jumper, too.

Bad game from him as well. The constant stunting is on coaching unless the d-line is freelancing.

Would love to see a media member ask Guidry about it.

Hopefully Alston and brown are back for wake it would be a nice boost to the team.
 
re: the wrs not getting separation, I can’t buy that our WRs don’t have the juice or technique to get off the line. Air raid is a system that gets the ball out quick and we have many plays where routes can be open right away. I thnk Cam wants to max each play opportunity and sometimes holds the ball too long waiting for the big play to develop.

Horton was getting open enough. The skinny slants/posts are always open it seems. Cam knew X was going to be open on that out and up. JG was getting open on 10 yard hitches. Cam just doesn’t take those right away with consistency. He rather see if a bigger play comes open. Maybe our WRs aren’t great scramble drill guys… but scarmble drills are not designed plays.

It’s going to be interesting to see how this translates at the pro level - the scramble drill play won’t play at that level for sure.
He’s not going to be a good pro. He will get drafted high because QB sucks *** in this draft, but I don’t think he’ll be a good pro QB cause his faults are really exposed the higher the comp.

However I think he’ll be in the league for awhile as I think he has enough between the ears to be a valuable backup. Think like a Winston or a Chase Daniel and that isn’t a bad life
 
The team's record is more accurate than it was yesterday. I wish we got away with it, but we didn't this time. You only have so many comebacks. My knee-jerk thoughts:

- The defense is the story for me. We gave up 271 yards rushing to a team with no QB and no RB. We lost time of possession 35 minutes to 25 minutes. We gave up 9 of 14 third downs. On a critical 3rd and 18, we couldn't win up front and left someone running wide open. It was a bad day.

Here's the frustrating part: we had more cards to play than the opponent on defense, and we still lost. That's not just a talent issue. I thought the defense would start creeping towards average over the last four games, but we're going in the opposite direction.

- My biggest disappointment is the defensive end position. Before the season, we all knew our secondary would be a weakness. The hope was we'd kill just enough drives with our pass rush. That hasn't panned out consistently. Zero sacks today. Pass rush opportunities were limited, but part of the reason is that the edges were so soft that Georgia Tech controlled down and distance. We just don't perform like a team with two NFL DEs.

- Cam Ward is still the best player in the country. No serious person would compare him to Dillon Gabriel. But he was off today. Missed throws early and struggled with his pocket presence. He had checkdowns available for chunk plays that he consistently turned down. He's the least of my worries, but it wasn't his best day.

- The only bright light was OJ Frederique. That's what a playoff-caliber defensive back looks like. We don't have enough of them.

- If I could bring a recent player back, it might be Jaquan Johnson. We lack a tone-setter in the back seven. The guys that know how to play aren't twitchy, and the guys that are twitchy are either injured or green. Teams are going to continue to challenge our perimeter tackling, and I don't know if we have an answer.

- I didn't mind the decisions to go for it on fourth down. That's who we've been all year. The playcalls and execution are fair to question, but I like trusting the guys who got us here.

- Elijah Arroyo is a high-round NFL pick. Difference-making speed at his size.

- We didn't have a terrible day with penalties (3-35) but it could have been more if a couple targeting calls and a facemask went the other way. This has been a problem all year.

- It's a shame that Popo Aguirre got injured, because he was playing really good football in a LB group that is taking steps backwards. Teams are continuing to take advantage of Kiko Mauigoa in space.

- I'd like to see the All-22 to see how much separation our receivers were getting. We will continue to get challenged by teams with athletic corners.

- I hate that we have to worry about other ACC teams losing. We've been here before and it always ends poorly. But we are in a strong position compared to the past. Most tiebreaker scenarios favor us.

This team needs to get value out of the bye week and handle its business. The goal remains an ACC Championship. I'm less optimistic on the defense than ever, but the offense will give us a chance. Go Canes.


@DMoney great review. How long is Popo out? Season over ?
 
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Bro, Cristobal’s whole shtick is being a tough and physical team. What happens on 4th and short? A ****ty pass that didn’t work. This was a complete game- all 3 phases failed.
That was actually a great play call that should have went for big……


What went wrong u ask….Mark Fletcher. First he shouldn’t be in the game for catching the ball and second whatever ******* route he ran was wrong. He was supposed to hit the flat right away and Cam wanted to put the ball on him and let him run. But Mark ran the wrong route and wasn’t ready for the ball until way too late.

Who had fletcher in the game at the time (Martinez had just run fiur straight plays) that’s on then
 
He’s not going to be a good pro. He will get drafted high because QB sucks *** in this draft, but I don’t think he’ll be a good pro QB cause his faults are really exposed the higher the comp.

However I think he’ll be in the league for awhile as I think he has enough between the ears to be a valuable backup. Think like a Winston or a Chase Daniel and that isn’t a bad life
The wrs don’t get separation. This was seen in the fsu game. This was an issue last year
Too. The scrambling helps the big plays for us
 
Precisely. Cribby with sense again. Anyone who's head is in the sand is a full. Of course they were going to lose. But it should not have been yesterday under those circumstances. They got out coached. Guidry should be terminated at the end of the season, at least.
I don’t know where an acceptable loss was with our schedule, but this wasn’t it.
QB hurt- not a passing threat, and RB 1 out.
We thought maybe the O would bog down one of these games. This was it, and this was the one where the D had to pick up the slack, especially with the above in our favor.
Let’s not forget the last jet sweep where the WR went down on the 3.
Don’t know how we let this team score on what should have been half of their possessions.
 
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I have always been worried about our 4-game stretch UL, FSU, Duke then GT. Not a murderer’s row of foes, but to have those four squads that have rivalry intentions at the back half of our schedule always concerned me.

I had hoped we’d win two of those so the fact that we made it through 3-1, I’m good.

Reality is as all have pointed out, our Defense has regressed and not just on the backend. We are porous, not aggressive and sloppy.

Some of that is on personnel - we are relying on too many Target red dot specials and good teams just don’t do that. It will be highly incumbent upon our 2024 guys leveling up next year.

The rest of our decline is on Guidry. Really shocked at how he did not scheme for GT - you knew they were going to run, do nothing exotic and we still couldn’t adjust.

At this point, just hoping we can win out against Wake and Cuse and see what happens.
 
I don’t know where an acceptable was with our schedule, but this wasn’t it.
QB hurt- not a passing threat, and RB 1 out.
We thought maybe the O would bog down one of these games. This was it, and this was the one where the D had to pick up the slack, especially with the above in our favor.
Let’s not forget the last jet sweep where the WR went down on the 3.
Don’t know how we let this team score on what should have been half of their possessions.
I don't understand it either. It's not that they were going to go undefeated. No one with sense believed that. The issue is, who they lost to and how. The most basic of offenses with depleted personnel whipped them soundly. That's a coaching and preparation issue.
 
D end not rotating enough… baron and Bain need to be fresher. Put in some young guys and let them eat!
 
The wrs don’t get separation. This was seen in the fsu game. This was an issue last year
Too. The scrambling helps the big plays for us
We got some decent separation yesterday and Cam just missed. A lot.

He’s been doing that most of the year where he just goes into a bit of a funk and misses some pretty easy throws
 
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I don't understand it either. It's not that they were going to go undefeated. No one with sense believed that. The issue is, who they lost to and how. The most basic of offenses with depleted personnel whipped them soundly. That's a coaching and preparation issue.
Yes. This is 100% why the whole “hey we are 9-1 and that’s great!” thing doesn’t hold water (for me)

Sure I agree if you told me in July we would be 9-1 and control our destiny for the ACCCG I would be ecstatic

But yesterday was a horrifying defensive performance. By far the worst I’ve seen this year

Don’t get me wrong this season has been amazing and we will always have a punchers chance in a game
 
Hey @DMoney when do you think Dawson and Mario sit Cam down and tell him he needs to sometimes take the check down, instead of running around the pocket all the time (2nd down on the last drive) looking for the huge play.
You're taught that very young. It's just who he is. However, if he wants to truly be great he needs to realize sometimes the spectacular play is the checkdown. We lost in large part due to his selfishness yesterday. Still more season to go so an opportunity for him and the team to grow as a whole.
 
Amazing we are in year 3 complaining about talent, with a coach whose “specialty” is talent acquisition. Not to mention, the portal that supposed to expedite that acquisition process. If Mario can’t get that part right, what does that say about the future of this team
He literally has the BEST QB in college football (that he didn't develop) and we're still hearing complaints about talent.

The complaint about Mario is that he'll stack a roster but has always underachieved.

So to be a perennial top 5 team (compete for NCs) he'll need a top 2 or 3 roster.

To be a top 10 team (make the playoffs repeatedly) he'll need like a top 5-8 roster (which is probably where we're at). Cam elevates the roster a few spots because he's the best player in the sport at the most important position.

But we'll lose Cam next year and the QB will be above average at best and maybe average to below average..where does our roster drop to then? 10-12? If the roster drops to 10-12 then this team is what? Top 15? Top 20?

Mario isn't an overachiever when it comes to coaching.
 
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We got some decent separation yesterday and Cam just missed. A lot.

He’s been doing that most of the year where he just goes into a bit of a funk and misses some pretty easy throws
It’s hard to get separation when teams are playing so far off trying not to give up the explosive. That’s why you take check downs and use the short intermediate stuff. Too many screens for a team that’s not blitzing. As I’ve said we played into their hands.
 
It’s hard to get separation when teams are playing so far off trying not to give up the explosive. That’s why you take check downs and use the short intermediate stuff. Too many screens for a team that’s not blitzing. As I’ve said we played into their hands.
I try not to make too many point blank statements with Cam because he does such mind blowing things with his arm

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That pass to X that would have likely gone for 6 is one he makes in his sleep. He missed a couple of 3rd down throws he normally hits easily

But I don’t know if it was him missing, WRs maybe not being where they should etc

Just a ******* bizarre game to watch all the way around
 
I try not to make too many point blank statements with Cam because he does such mind blowing things with his arm

Pause

That pass to X that would have likely gone for 6 is one he makes in his sleep. He missed a couple of 3rd down throws he normally hits easily

But I don’t know if it was him missing, WRs maybe not being where they should etc

Just a ******* bizarre game to watch all the way around
Tbh Cam is just streaky. When he’s on he’s really on but when he’s off he’s average to above average.

The problem with that is we can’t win most games with him being average / above average. That’s my biggest concern.

Maybe we make a run if he goes on a Steph Curry at Davidson streak lol . Either that or off the bye we make big adjustments with scheme on D and player personnel .

If none of that happens this could be 2017 part II. Hopefully coaches and players show some pride.
 
Tbh Cam is just streaky. When he’s on he’s really on but when he’s off he’s average to above average.

The problem with that is we can’t win most games with him being average / above average. That’s my biggest concern.

Maybe we make a run if he goes on a Steph Curry at Davidson streak lol . Either that or off the bye we make big adjustments with scheme on D and player personnel .

If none of that happens this could be 2017 part II. Hopefully coaches and players show some pride.
Yeah I think 10 games of data we don’t need to nitpick or overthink it

We are who we are. But I’ve said quite a bit this loss, the bye, one thing this team does have is leadership

X. Cam. Those types of players can keep a team from going off the rails when they lose
 
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