Would you Move on from Mario if Given the Chance?

[HurricanesR1]

Just curious how many people would hit a reset at head coach RIGHT NOW if they could. Here are the only assumptions (I know they aren't realistic):

1) There is no buyout, basically we get the Mark Richt deal

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2) The financial support from the school does not change

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From what's been said over and over, #2 is not possible with Mario.

Mario is known as a great recruiter. Problem is, NIL has made that skill less important,

This 100%. We got Mario at a time where his greatest skill is negated by $$$ that other programs can offer more than us.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

Here are all the P4 schools who won 10 regular season games in 2024:

Army
Memphis
SMU
Clemson
Miami
Arizona State
BYU
Iowa State
Oregon
Penn State
Indiana
Ohio State
Notre Dame

And here is the last time each of those programs won 10 regular season games:

Army - 2018
Memphis - 2019
SMU - 2023
Clemson - 2022
Miami - 2017
Arizona State - 2013
BYU - 2021
Iowa State - Never
Oregon - 2023
Penn State - 2023
Indiana - Never
Ohio State - 2023
Notre Dame - 2021

So what's my point here? Out of all these teams who won 10 games, by LEAST recently, they're ordered as Iowa State, Indiana, Arizona State, then Miami.

Now....let's not be ridiculous and say those programs have the same history and pedigree as Miami. They clearly don't, so the standard here is a bit higher. However, anybody in Ames posting about moving on from Matt Campbell? Lotta banner planes in Bloomington saying FIRE CIGNETTI? They thinking about stuffing Dillingham in the back of an El Camino and driving across the border?

Of course not. Every single one of those dudes could walk into any public establishment in their towns and slap their ***** on a barstool and people would cheer. Here, we talk about firing our coach. Again, not apples to apples in respect to program history. But we gotta have a semblance of perspective here. We're all sick about the way the year ended, no doubt. It's not exactly rainbows and puppy dogs.. We have concerns. But we just had the best year we've had in 7 years. We have won 10 games twice in twenty years, one of those coming this season. I just couldn't fathom making a thread like this.

 

[Scorpioncane]

I probably would if we were committing to a real HC search and the financial investment doesn’t change. Primarily because his biggest strength is mitigated across the country by NIL and he doesn’t seem to bring much else to the table. I realize he is partly responsible (at least partly, but more likely primarily) for the financial backing now. I’m grateful for that. But he hasn’t shown great roster management nor great evaluations on coaching staff hires. We’ve had a revolving door of coordinators and coaches in 3-4 years.

I thought we’d get two sure things from Mario. Recruiting and roster management and I don’t think either of those have been great. Recruiting more so obviously, but with that is the makeup of the roster and I don’t feel he’s hit the mark there. We’re always scrambling for positions to fill. We just had to overhaul an entire DB room. That shouldn’t happen this far in his tenure. A few? Sure. Misses, portal transfers out, etc. it’s understandable in CFB now but not an entire room and two deep.

Don't agree with the part about recruiting! He is recruiting better then Mandy! So how can you complain? Everything else you might be right but not about the recruiting part and every team is hitting the portal even the best roster money can buy (OSU) is in the portal already and there still playing!!

 

[Shooter McGavin]

Dude I’d ******* help Mario pack right now

 

[Atom Atlas]

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That's awesome... You win the Internet today...

 

[atlCanesFan]

Move on from him in favor of who, exactly? Who are we going to get that's any better?

Nailed it.
Everyone practically assumes the next great coach is out there, will come right in with no hesitation, and we're in the hunt for a NC every year.
It's just not that simple.
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[mirvin88]

Don't agree with the part about recruiting! He is recruiting better then Mandy! So how can you complain? Everything else you might be right but not about the recruiting part and every team is hitting the portal even the best roster money can buy (OSU) is in the portal already and there still playing!!

Recruiting better does not = great

Going into year 4
Nearly entire transition class is gone
3 players from 2023 class that have done anything of note
Not even a serviceable QB on the roster
2 CBs even on the roster since ‘22 (1 is OJ)
Entire DB room overhauled

Continue or stop here? He’s brought in some highly touted players but has very little to show for it and his portal acquisitions are generally horrible. Ward erases a lot of that admittedly but I’m not overlooking the other 95% of fails.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

Recruiting better does not = great

Going into year 4
Nearly entire transition class is gone
3 players from 2023 class that have done anything of note
Not even a serviceable QB on the roster
2 CBs even on the roster since ‘22 (1 is OJ)
Entire DB room overhauled

Continue or stop here? He’s brought in some highly touted players but has very little to show for it and his portal acquisitions are generally horrible. Ward erases a lot of that admittedly but I’m not overlooking the other 95% of fails.

Agree on 2023. Some of those kids need to turn a corner this year.

Cici, Bain, and Fletcher are solid to great.

Ray Ray, Damari Brown, Malik Bryant, Popo, Horton, Carver, the young OL (Samson? Anybody home?)......some of those kids need to develop into reliable starters or that class is pretty ******. Big year upcoming for those kids, they're all mostly redshirt sophomores.

 

[Scorpioncane]

Recruiting better does not = great

Going into year 4
Nearly entire transition class is gone
3 players from 2023 class that have done anything of note
Not even a serviceable QB on the roster
2 CBs even on the roster since ‘22 (1 is OJ)
Entire DB room overhauled

Continue or stop here? He’s brought in some highly touted players but has very little to show for it and his portal acquisitions are generally horrible. Ward erases a lot of that admittedly but I’m not overlooking the other 95% of fails.

Agree! Except maybe 75% fail, maybe 95% if you include coaches.

 

[Ziggy]

I'm good with Mario and we've seen improvement but next year is huge. Needs to get back to double digit wins again.

With that being said, I wonder if we'd be better suited for a young, offensive minded HC. Like Dillingham at ASU or Lashlee at SMU. They seem to navigate NIL and the portal extremely well and have had tons of success. Small sample size but if we do on from Mario, I'd go for one of those guys.

 

[SouthsideAtl]

You all just witnessed Mario's peak as the head coach of the University of Miami. He has done nothing or given us hope that he will be any better. He will never have a QB as good as Cam Ward ever again.

If y'all think this season was a success & are down for more years of this, then be my guest.

I love Cam Ward …. But we dont need another him to be successful I like the QB commits we got coming in for 25 and 26

 

[flips]

I don’t think you should get stoned. Fair post. I do think you named 4 guys better than Mario though. Just my opinion

Well you're the life of the party

 

[BS85]

Here are all the P4 schools who won 10 regular season games in 2024:

Army
Memphis
SMU
Clemson
Miami
Arizona State
BYU
Iowa State
Oregon
Penn State
Indiana
Ohio State
Notre Dame

And here is the last time each of those programs won 10 regular season games:

Army - 2018
Memphis - 2019
SMU - 2023
Clemson - 2022
Miami - 2017
Arizona State - 2013
BYU - 2021
Iowa State - Never
Oregon - 2023
Penn State - 2023
Indiana - Never
Ohio State - 2023
Notre Dame - 2021

So what's my point here? Out of all these teams who won 10 games, by LEAST recently, they're ordered as Iowa State, Indiana, Arizona State, then Miami.

Now....let's not be ridiculous and say those programs have the same history and pedigree as Miami. They clearly don't, so the standard here is a bit higher. However, anybody in Ames posting about moving on from Matt Campbell? Lotta banner planes in Bloomington saying FIRE CIGNETTI? They thinking about stuffing Dillingham in the back of an El Camino and driving across the border?

Of course not. Every single one of those dudes could walk into any public establishment in their towns and slap their ***** on a barstool and people would cheer. Here, we talk about firing our coach. Again, not apples to apples in respect to program history. But we gotta have a semblance of perspective here. We're all sick about the way the year ended, no doubt. It's not exactly rainbows and puppy dogs.. We have concerns. But we just had the best year we've had in 7 years. We have won 10 games twice in twenty years, one of those coming this season. I just couldn't fathom making a thread like this.

"I just couldn't fathom making a thread like this"

You're so dramatic

 

[1mg of Epi]

Bluestein said the 2022 squad was the least talented UM team he’s ever seen. With that starting point, I don’t know what more to expect.

His game day decision making isn’t the best, but he’s building a team the right way, he’s winning games and he’s evolving as a coach.

If they fire Mario we’d just end up w another Al Folden or Danny Miaz.

 

[mirvin88]

Bluestein said the 2022 squad was the least talented UM team he’s ever seen. With that starting point, I don’t know what more to expect.

His game day decision making isn’t the best, but he’s building a team the right way, he’s winning games and he’s evolving as a coach.

If they fire Mario we’d just end up w another Al Folden or Danny Miaz.

I don’t subscribe to this mindset. It’s not 1980 any longer. With all of the transfer rules you can quickly turn a roster over with your guys and then continue success with the portal and HS recruiting. Look at how trash ASU and Indiana have been and quickly turned around to make the playoffs. Lashlee comes in and comes closer to winning the ACC than we have in decades.

 

[BS85]

Dear triggered Slurpers,

I was genuinely curious what people were thinking about Mario going into year 4, I'm not even 100% sure I'd get rid of him. Turns out this is a discussion thread about football for the University of Miami and I'm pretty sute that's what we're doing. If this actually upsets you, please seek help and look inward.

 

[mirvin88]

Dear triggered Slurpers,

I was genuinely curious what people were thinking about Mario going into year 4, I'm not even 100% sure I'd get rid of him. Turns out this is a discussion thread about football for the University of Miami and I'm pretty sute that's what we're doing. If this actually upsets you, please seek help and look inward.

I wouldn’t be sold on moving on from him either because I’m terrified of our track record of coaches. But to dismiss the hypothetical and pump up Mario is unwarranted.

 

[PIPO]

If all else is equal, no.

I don’t want Rad deciding another hire.

Rad didn’t decide on Mario.

Also, Rad is pretty much dead man walking here at UM.

 

[PIPO]

Here are all the P4 schools who won 10 regular season games in 2024:

Army
Memphis
SMU
Clemson
Miami
Arizona State
BYU
Iowa State
Oregon
Penn State
Indiana
Ohio State
Notre Dame

And here is the last time each of those programs won 10 regular season games:

Army - 2018
Memphis - 2019
SMU - 2023
Clemson - 2022
Miami - 2017
Arizona State - 2013
BYU - 2021
Iowa State - Never
Oregon - 2023
Penn State - 2023
Indiana - Never
Ohio State - 2023
Notre Dame - 2021

So what's my point here? Out of all these teams who won 10 games, by LEAST recently, they're ordered as Iowa State, Indiana, Arizona State, then Miami.

Now....let's not be ridiculous and say those programs have the same history and pedigree as Miami. They clearly don't, so the standard here is a bit higher. However, anybody in Ames posting about moving on from Matt Campbell? Lotta banner planes in Bloomington saying FIRE CIGNETTI? They thinking about stuffing Dillingham in the back of an El Camino and driving across the border?

Of course not. Every single one of those dudes could walk into any public establishment in their towns and slap their ***** on a barstool and people would cheer. Here, we talk about firing our coach. Again, not apples to apples in respect to program history. But we gotta have a semblance of perspective here. We're all sick about the way the year ended, no doubt. It's not exactly rainbows and puppy dogs.. We have concerns. But we just had the best year we've had in 7 years. We have won 10 games twice in twenty years, one of those coming this season. I just couldn't fathom making a thread like this.

 

[Fightinibis]

As much as I hate FSU, Bobby Bowden made a **** of a good point once. He said that if a head coach is known as a great recruiter, it's because he could recruit, but wasn't that great of a coach. Whereas if you're a great coach who is also a great recruiter, you are known as a great coach.

Mario is known as a great recruiter. Problem is, NIL has made that skill less important, and the actual coaching aspect far more important. So yes, I would consider moving on.

That being said, I would give him one more season. Yeah, I think Cam Ward was the reason we got to 10 wins, but Mario did get him in here, and let him sling it. I expect a big step back next year, but I'd have to see it before running Mario off. We were what, 10 points from being undefeated? I mean that's improvement.

One more year. It pains me to say that, but 10-2, I don't even count the bowl game we would have won had Cam played the second half, is progress. If there's no progress next year, it's time to move on.

Agree.

Would have liked to get Mario when he left Alabama.

Most of our concerns were about his head coaching abilities, not his recruiting....and clearly we got only the latter at a time when the $$$ controls

Can you also add a caveat that we would do a legitimate national search where all former miami bros are eliminated from contention because if so:

ABSOLUTELY

THAT is the only criteria that would really matter to me....along with, would the brinks truck be open to possibilities, or just budget up and comers..