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Worst Dline in Miami Hurricane Modern History?
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I agree with Larry all the way..that being said..i do believe BC has a solid oline....but we got pretty much NO PUSH at all on Passing downs....
Chickillo really was prodding and got chipped and handled one on one mostly all game.....
Shayon Green is a bit slow off the ball(knee)...and doesnt have all the technique down....
our dt's were non existent....
But 1+ that i got from the dline was LUTHER ROBINSON...he flashed....he looked like the guy we recruited..the guy that blew up the camps...he got penetration about 4-5 plays and blew them up or forced a tfl..he also had a fumble caused.....KID if he can play like this the rest of the year we'll be ok once Porter gets in....
The best dlineman overall yesterday was Luther Robinson....let that sink in
Chickillo really was prodding and got chipped and handled one on one mostly all game.....
Shayon Green is a bit slow off the ball(knee)...and doesnt have all the technique down....
our dt's were non existent....
But 1+ that i got from the dline was LUTHER ROBINSON...he flashed....he looked like the guy we recruited..the guy that blew up the camps...he got penetration about 4-5 plays and blew them up or forced a tfl..he also had a fumble caused.....KID if he can play like this the rest of the year we'll be ok once Porter gets in....
The best dlineman overall yesterday was Luther Robinson....let that sink in
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Corey King is playing substantial minutes.
That is all.
That is all.
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This.
Rightly or wrongly, we're committed to the this scheme. We can't just snap our fingers and decide to be a one-gap team.
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I guess I'll post this here, too:
IMO the defensive line is the most important unit on an entire football team. If you're weak there, you're probably not a good football team. Looking at our d-line roster:
2009 class
Luther Robinson (3-star): Mildly recruited DT. Been a career JAG. Finally passed the off-season conditioning test. Under normal circumstances, he gives your top-flight DTs a breather. He's not starting.
Curtis Porter (3-star): Shows flashes of ability at DT, but he's been snakebit by random injuries/ailments.
Shayon Green (2-star): Injuries and added bulk to play DE have robbed him of any quickness he had.
2010 class
Kelvin Cain (2-star): Plan D guy that Shannon recruited. He's bulked up from LB, and doesn't have any burst.
2011 class
Anthony Chickillo (5-star): Very solid DE, but not a superstar.
Jalen Grimble (5-star): Undersized DT. Many people pegged him as an overrated project in high school. Played against poor competition in Arizona. SC told him to kick rocks.
Ricardo Williams (3-star): Undersized DE. Needs time to bulk up.
Olsen Pierre (3-star): Lightly recruited DT. Committed to Golden at Temple, then followed him to Miami. Needs time to bulk up. Ideally he wouldn't be playing until year three, let alone STARTING.
Darius Smith (0-star): A JUCO DT that nobody else wanted. Golden had a month to put the class together, and needed bodies.
Corey King (0-star): Late signee at DT that nobody else wanted. Class-filler.
2012 class
Tyriq McCord (4-star) DE
Jelani Hamilton (4-star) DE
Dwayne Hoilett (3-star) DE
Jake O'Donnell (3-star) DE
Earl Moore (3-star) DT
Jacoby Briscoe (3-star) DT
Dequan Ivery (3-star) DT
There are some promising players in this class, but a team shouldn't be counting on true freshmen d-linemen to be anything more than spot contributors. Ideally they'd all redshirt. McCord, Hamilton, and Moore have all been forced to take a lot of snaps.
Our two-deep at DT:
Darius Smith
Olsen Pierre
Luther Robinson
Corey King
That's the core of the most important unit on the defense right there. How do you build a defense around that?
There is some promise in the 2011 and 2012 classes, but they're still young, weak, and inexperienced. It's simply going to take time.
For the people saying talent isn't the main issue, just take a look at the those 2009 and 2010 classes. Our upperclassmen are Porter, Robinson, Green, Cain, and Smith. And that's supposed to be the foundation of the defensive line. That is MAC-level talent right there. Real talk. Tell me that's an exaggeration. Our upperclassmen are a guy who's played like 5 games, a career JAG who finally passed the off-season conditioning, an overweight JUCO that had virtually no offers, and two 2-star converted LBs. That is NOT Miami talent!
You can scheme it however you want. When you're THAT bad up front, it don't matter.
We don't have the horses.
IMO the defensive line is the most important unit on an entire football team. If you're weak there, you're probably not a good football team. Looking at our d-line roster:
2009 class
Luther Robinson (3-star): Mildly recruited DT. Been a career JAG. Finally passed the off-season conditioning test. Under normal circumstances, he gives your top-flight DTs a breather. He's not starting.
Curtis Porter (3-star): Shows flashes of ability at DT, but he's been snakebit by random injuries/ailments.
Shayon Green (2-star): Injuries and added bulk to play DE have robbed him of any quickness he had.
2010 class
Kelvin Cain (2-star): Plan D guy that Shannon recruited. He's bulked up from LB, and doesn't have any burst.
2011 class
Anthony Chickillo (5-star): Very solid DE, but not a superstar.
Jalen Grimble (5-star): Undersized DT. Many people pegged him as an overrated project in high school. Played against poor competition in Arizona. SC told him to kick rocks.
Ricardo Williams (3-star): Undersized DE. Needs time to bulk up.
Olsen Pierre (3-star): Lightly recruited DT. Committed to Golden at Temple, then followed him to Miami. Needs time to bulk up. Ideally he wouldn't be playing until year three, let alone STARTING.
Darius Smith (0-star): A JUCO DT that nobody else wanted. Golden had a month to put the class together, and needed bodies.
Corey King (0-star): Late signee at DT that nobody else wanted. Class-filler.
2012 class
Tyriq McCord (4-star) DE
Jelani Hamilton (4-star) DE
Dwayne Hoilett (3-star) DE
Jake O'Donnell (3-star) DE
Earl Moore (3-star) DT
Jacoby Briscoe (3-star) DT
Dequan Ivery (3-star) DT
There are some promising players in this class, but a team shouldn't be counting on true freshmen d-linemen to be anything more than spot contributors. Ideally they'd all redshirt. McCord, Hamilton, and Moore have all been forced to take a lot of snaps.
Our two-deep at DT:
Darius Smith
Olsen Pierre
Luther Robinson
Corey King
That's the core of the most important unit on the defense right there. How do you build a defense around that?
There is some promise in the 2011 and 2012 classes, but they're still young, weak, and inexperienced. It's simply going to take time.
For the people saying talent isn't the main issue, just take a look at the those 2009 and 2010 classes. Our upperclassmen are Porter, Robinson, Green, Cain, and Smith. And that's supposed to be the foundation of the defensive line. That is MAC-level talent right there. Real talk. Tell me that's an exaggeration. Our upperclassmen are a guy who's played like 5 games, a career JAG who finally passed the off-season conditioning, an overweight JUCO that had virtually no offers, and two 2-star converted LBs. That is NOT Miami talent!
You can scheme it however you want. When you're THAT bad up front, it don't matter.
We don't have the horses.
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Here's a challenge - can anyone think of a SECOND STRING defensive line in the last 30 years that you wouldn't trade our current 1st teamers for right now? I don't think this is exaggeration at all, it's that bad.
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Look, I get it and I agree that our situation at DT is a trainwreck, but its not like we havent faced this sh*t show before. Back in the 90s clusterf*ck, Butch had to start Damione Lewis as a true FROSH, next to F*cking Matt Sweeny, who weighed 270 soaking wet. Then we went out and got the William Joseph, and IIRC, had to throw him into the DL as a True Frosh just for bodies.
But Butch was a good lines coach, and knew he had to do what he had to do. If the DL situation was this critical, Al and Donofrio should have known it, and shifted guys from the OL to DT. I dont care if you have to throw two 310 pound bags of hamburger out there to clog the middle and do nothing but submarine the interior line. The problem is not just bodies, its that we are putting a bunch of young guys, with no technique in there, to basically try to hold the point of attack, instead of either penetrating, or clogging the running lanes. The result has been an UNMITIGATED DISASTER. By the middle of the 3rd Quarter, Coach D should have adjusted to this, and had every DT just shoot the gaps, or clog the lanes. And are there NO coaches on the sidelines out there to tell these guys to key on the RB and not the QB when all they are doing is running the SAME F*CKING PLAY, over and over again?
118 out of 120. in Defense right now. This is the WORST Defense we have ever had at UM. PERIOD.
And I have to say, Luther Robinson seems to have regressed IMO. I remember the kid looking decent and like he had some potential as a Frosh, and right now, he's looking as much like dogsh*t as anyone else. That said, you mean to tell me that Luther Robinson, and Darius Smith at 315 F*cking pounds cant clog the interior of that line? Those are the two WORST DTs in all of Division I football?
But Butch was a good lines coach, and knew he had to do what he had to do. If the DL situation was this critical, Al and Donofrio should have known it, and shifted guys from the OL to DT. I dont care if you have to throw two 310 pound bags of hamburger out there to clog the middle and do nothing but submarine the interior line. The problem is not just bodies, its that we are putting a bunch of young guys, with no technique in there, to basically try to hold the point of attack, instead of either penetrating, or clogging the running lanes. The result has been an UNMITIGATED DISASTER. By the middle of the 3rd Quarter, Coach D should have adjusted to this, and had every DT just shoot the gaps, or clog the lanes. And are there NO coaches on the sidelines out there to tell these guys to key on the RB and not the QB when all they are doing is running the SAME F*CKING PLAY, over and over again?
118 out of 120. in Defense right now. This is the WORST Defense we have ever had at UM. PERIOD.
And I have to say, Luther Robinson seems to have regressed IMO. I remember the kid looking decent and like he had some potential as a Frosh, and right now, he's looking as much like dogsh*t as anyone else. That said, you mean to tell me that Luther Robinson, and Darius Smith at 315 F*cking pounds cant clog the interior of that line? Those are the two WORST DTs in all of Division I football?
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Some here think its too much to ask of our coaching staff to change the scheme to fit the personale.....crazy idea.
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It was one of the two who came in and was thrown into the DL as a Frosh. Though you may be right, it may have been around 99. My point was he still had to throw bodies into the DL, even when we were improving. Im almost certain that both Joseph brothers originally came in here as OLs. Butch also had to raid JUCO for DLs. Golden is going to have to make that a priority.
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Pretty sure Lewis was class of 96 and Joseph 98.He came in with Matt Walters and Mike Rumph.
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Joseph's last season was '02, but I don't know if he redshirted.
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Sounds right on Lewis and if correct on Joseph, that means he redshirted too. I just remember Joseph playing in 99, which is the year that I thought we were back. I remember having extremely high expectations heading into that season. It seemed like it took forever for the game against Ohio State to get here.
anyone that didnt look at depth chart on d before boston college game and say omg this is going to be a rough year needs there head examined. with a few injuries we knew it would be catastrophic so lets see no porter, no pierre. anyone not named dbc seen this coming after first depth chart was released. it is just we won a few games and everyone forgot
I appreciate the talent deficiencies, but there has to be something else in play. By the numbers, we are like the second or third worst defense in the country, and the numbers do not lie. I cannot believe that-- as bad as it is-- our talent level is the second or third worst in the country, or even close to that. From the middle of the third quarter on, Notre Dame did not attemt a single pass-- not one. They ran essentially the same four running plays over and over, and we never stopped them. Nor, did it appear that we made any significant adjustments. We just stayed in our base, conservative defense. On the few occasions we brought a safety or linebacker up, it was so well-telegraphed that there was really no advantage. I leave it to those far more knowledgable than me, but, if as a coach you see your defense repeatedly gashed on simple running plays, what do you have to lose by having eight or nine guys in the box and selling out to stop the run. What's the worst thing that can happen?
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