Will Jalen Grimble take the next step this season???????

[Coach Macho]

Worst DL in the history of the program? Son, did you just start following the program last year? Yeah, it's not national championship caliber, but let's take a deep breath and not sound like the world's coming to an end. Give it time to develop and improve. And yes, there is reason to anticipate a step or two will be made this fall.

good stuff

2012 d line was the worst University of Miami defensive line I have ever seen in all of my life. I understand that last season this team was playing 1 JR, 2 SO's & 3 FR's in the rotation for most of the season and that is a for sure recipe for disaster. I do believe that the d-line will make a huge jump this season, I even expect to see good things from Cory King unlike most. My only is will Jalen Grimble be able to contribute.

Sack totals of the last 9 years (I am sure it will be very difficult to find a lower total than 13)
2012: 13
2011: 23
2010: 37
2009: 23
2008: 30
2007: 31
2006: 38
2005: 35
2004: 38
2003: 48

Has D'Onofrio's defense ever been good at getting to the QB? I ask seriously. I have no clue.

Reason I ask is cause our sack numbers fell dramatically as soon as he got here. I know we're not super talented but either were some of those other defenses on this list.

 

[Coach Macho]

I mean, ****, we had guys like Andrew Smith and Marcus Robinson getting to the QB not too long ago.

 

[LA'Cane818]

no

 

[Hstokes1447]

Worst DL in the history of the program? Son, did you just start following the program last year? Yeah, it's not national championship caliber, but let's take a deep breath and not sound like the world's coming to an end. Give it time to develop and improve. And yes, there is reason to anticipate a step or two will be made this fall.

good stuff

2012 d line was the worst University of Miami defensive line I have ever seen in all of my life. I understand that last season this team was playing 1 JR, 2 SO's & 3 FR's in the rotation for most of the season and that is a for sure recipe for disaster. I do believe that the d-line will make a huge jump this season, I even expect to see good things from Cory King unlike most. My only is will Jalen Grimble be able to contribute.

Sack totals of the last 9 years (I am sure it will be very difficult to find a lower total than 13)
2012: 13
2011: 23
2010: 37
2009: 23
2008: 30
2007: 31
2006: 38
2005: 35
2004: 38
2003: 48

Has D'Onofrio's defense ever been good at getting to the QB? I ask seriously. I have no clue.

Reason I ask is cause our sack numbers fell dramatically as soon as he got here. I know we're not super talented but either were some of those other defenses on this list.

Temple total sacks under D'Onofrio
2006: 15
2007: 20
2008: 18
2009: 34
2010: 24

 

[Coach Macho]

Worst DL in the history of the program? Son, did you just start following the program last year? Yeah, it's not national championship caliber, but let's take a deep breath and not sound like the world's coming to an end. Give it time to develop and improve. And yes, there is reason to anticipate a step or two will be made this fall.

good stuff

2012 d line was the worst University of Miami defensive line I have ever seen in all of my life. I understand that last season this team was playing 1 JR, 2 SO's & 3 FR's in the rotation for most of the season and that is a for sure recipe for disaster. I do believe that the d-line will make a huge jump this season, I even expect to see good things from Cory King unlike most. My only is will Jalen Grimble be able to contribute.

Sack totals of the last 9 years (I am sure it will be very difficult to find a lower total than 13)
2012: 13
2011: 23
2010: 37
2009: 23
2008: 30
2007: 31
2006: 38
2005: 35
2004: 38
2003: 48

Has D'Onofrio's defense ever been good at getting to the QB? I ask seriously. I have no clue.

Reason I ask is cause our sack numbers fell dramatically as soon as he got here. I know we're not super talented but either were some of those other defenses on this list.

Temple total sacks under D'Onofrio
2006: 15
2007: 20
2008: 18
2009: 34
2010: 24

Well that sucks.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Grimble plays DE for us. He was a 4 star but his competition in high school was laughable. Im pulling for the kid, but I doubt he makes a significant impact this season.

He could play DT as well. Actually he was recruited with being a DT in 3-4 scheme.

 

[UMFarArcher]

good stuff

2012 d line was the worst University of Miami defensive line I have ever seen in all of my life. I understand that last season this team was playing 1 JR, 2 SO's & 3 FR's in the rotation for most of the season and that is a for sure recipe for disaster. I do believe that the d-line will make a huge jump this season, I even expect to see good things from Cory King unlike most. My only is will Jalen Grimble be able to contribute.

Sack totals of the last 9 years (I am sure it will be very difficult to find a lower total than 13)
2012: 13
2011: 23
2010: 37
2009: 23
2008: 30
2007: 31
2006: 38
2005: 35
2004: 38
2003: 48

Has D'Onofrio's defense ever been good at getting to the QB? I ask seriously. I have no clue.

Reason I ask is cause our sack numbers fell dramatically as soon as he got here. I know we're not super talented but either were some of those other defenses on this list.

Temple total sacks under D'Onofrio
2006: 15
2007: 20
2008: 18
2009: 34
2010: 24

Well that sucks.

A great big fat one.

I don't think the 3-4 as Coach D runs is conducive for sacks. Nor press coverage. Nor . . . never mind - I'm just ****ing myself off.

 

[pcitycane]

Grimble plays DE for us. He was a 4 star but his competition in high school was laughable. Im pulling for the kid, but I doubt he makes a significant impact this season.

He could play DT as well. Actually he was recruited with being a DT in 3-4 scheme.

i know he "can" play DT and that was what he played in HS, but im not buying that he was recruited to be a nose, not at 250 coming out of high school.

 

[Coach Macho]

We're never gonna be a big sack defense with D'Onofrio here IMO.

(lol @ "big sack")

Not just cause of his poor resume but because of the way I see us play defense at times. It's not conducive to pressure IMO. Too much reading, engaging, etc etc etc.

Doesn't mean we can't have a good defense though. Alabama isn't always the best at getting to the QB but we all know how good their defense is.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

I think some are reading to much into D'onofrio's historical sack stats when drawing conclusions.
few things. First 2 years at Temple dude didn't have squat in terms of players. And we all know one of the key driver in sacks is skilled rush ends. And those don't grow on trees. And the skilled ones end up at the top schools not Temple.
Secondly by year 4 you notice a big jump to 34 sacks which ranked top 25 in sacks. So he has shown a propensity to put up respectable sack numbers given time to recruit and develop his defense.
As for his time here, who were his DE's in 2011? True freshman Chickillo tied SR Marcus Robinson for sack leaders. Robinson's 5 sacks btw were his career high playing under D'onofrio. Vernon Oliver that year had 1 playing half the season. Vernon's career high is 5 sacks.
Last year was obviously a disaster but it really was the only year that was unjustifiably bad. But you really can't draw conclusions on 1 year.
We'll know more this year.

 

[Notsince1985]

Worst DL in the history of the program? Son, did you just start following the program last year? Yeah, it's not national championship caliber, but let's take a deep breath and not sound like the world's coming to an end. Give it time to develop and improve. And yes, there is reason to anticipate a step or two will be made this fall.

good stuff

2012 d line was the worst University of Miami defensive line I have ever seen in all of my life. I understand that last season this team was playing 1 JR, 2 SO's & 3 FR's in the rotation for most of the season and that is a for sure recipe for disaster. I do believe that the d-line will make a huge jump this season, I even expect to see good things from Cory King unlike most. My only is will Jalen Grimble be able to contribute.

Sack totals of the last 9 years (I am sure it will be very difficult to find a lower total than 13)
2012: 13
2011: 23
2010: 37
2009: 23
2008: 30
2007: 31
2006: 38
2005: 35
2004: 38
2003: 48

Were you around for 1997? That DL was pretty brutal.

 

[Ghandi]

I think some are reading to much into D'onofrio's historical sack stats when drawing conclusions.
few things. First 2 years at Temple dude didn't have squat in terms of players. And we all know one of the key driver in sacks is skilled rush ends. And those don't grow on trees. And the skilled ones end up at the top schools not Temple.
Secondly by year 4 you notice a big jump to 34 sacks which ranked top 25 in sacks. So he has shown a propensity to put up respectable sack numbers given time to recruit and develop his defense.
As for his time here, who were his DE's in 2011? True freshman Chickillo tied SR Marcus Robinson for sack leaders. Robinson's 5 sacks btw were his career high playing under D'onofrio. Vernon Oliver that year had 1 playing half the season. Vernon's career high is 5 sacks.
Last year was obviously a disaster but it really was the only year that was unjustifiably bad. But you really can't draw conclusions on 1 year.
We'll know more this year.

Ok, fair enough.

Let's throw out the first 3 years of them being within the program (3 years to recruit, train, and build). Look at the last two years sack totals.

Dorito's scheme @ Temple:
2009: 34
2010: 24

Dorito's scheme @ UM:
2012: 13
2011: 23

*34 looks like the outlier to me and not the norm.

For comparison sake, let's look at the what top 20 defenses have been averaging the last two years (keeping sample sizes the same):

2012: 41
2011: 39.4

Here is an interesting fact about Temple in 2011:
*#17 in Defense that season
*Sack totals went from 24 to 34 (+29%) over the course of one year.

 

[Ghandi]

******, clicked submit by mistake**

It looks to me (even when things are good) that the scheme itself does not lend itself to generating sack totals since it is not aggressive. It's also important to note that with that type of performance year over year (non-aggressive, stat padding schemes).....you won't get top tier talent to sign here.

I don't know what to make of this really.

I just want these guys to win. I dont give a **** if they do it playing Cover 3 and give up 500 yards a game.

Just win already God**** it.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

I think some are reading to much into D'onofrio's historical sack stats when drawing conclusions.
few things. First 2 years at Temple dude didn't have squat in terms of players. And we all know one of the key driver in sacks is skilled rush ends. And those don't grow on trees. And the skilled ones end up at the top schools not Temple.
Secondly by year 4 you notice a big jump to 34 sacks which ranked top 25 in sacks. So he has shown a propensity to put up respectable sack numbers given time to recruit and develop his defense.
As for his time here, who were his DE's in 2011? True freshman Chickillo tied SR Marcus Robinson for sack leaders. Robinson's 5 sacks btw were his career high playing under D'onofrio. Vernon Oliver that year had 1 playing half the season. Vernon's career high is 5 sacks.
Last year was obviously a disaster but it really was the only year that was unjustifiably bad. But you really can't draw conclusions on 1 year.
We'll know more this year.

Ok, fair enough.

Let's throw out the first 3 years of them being within the program (3 years to recruit, train, and build). Look at the last two years sack totals.

Dorito's scheme @ Temple:
2009: 34
2010: 24

Dorito's scheme @ UM:
2012: 13
2011: 23

*34 looks like the outlier to me and not the norm.

For comparison sake, let's look at the what top 20 defenses have been averaging the last two years (keeping sample sizes the same):

2012: 41
2011: 39.4

Here is an interesting fact about Temple in 2011:
*#17 in Defense that season
*Sack totals went from 24 to 34 (+29%) over the course of one year.

and in 2012 Temple had 25. So there goes your theory.
If anything it shows how cycle things are and you really can't say the 34 sacks in 2009 is an outlier. It was year 4 where the defense D'onofrio built came to fruition.
If anything 2012 is an outlier or similar to what delt with his 1st few years at Temple while he built the defense up.

 

[Bigtip]

I think D'No blows

AG is gonna have to make a tough decision soon IMO. we aint winning **** with this scheme. i know its AGs scheme too and i think it sucks a fat ****. time to get a real DC and let AG be the CEO

 

[Hstokes1447]

Worst DL in the history of the program? Son, did you just start following the program last year? Yeah, it's not national championship caliber, but let's take a deep breath and not sound like the world's coming to an end. Give it time to develop and improve. And yes, there is reason to anticipate a step or two will be made this fall.

good stuff

2012 d line was the worst University of Miami defensive line I have ever seen in all of my life. I understand that last season this team was playing 1 JR, 2 SO's & 3 FR's in the rotation for most of the season and that is a for sure recipe for disaster. I do believe that the d-line will make a huge jump this season, I even expect to see good things from Cory King unlike most. My only is will Jalen Grimble be able to contribute.

Sack totals of the last 9 years (I am sure it will be very difficult to find a lower total than 13)
2012: 13
2011: 23
2010: 37
2009: 23
2008: 30
2007: 31
2006: 38
2005: 35
2004: 38
2003: 48

Were you around for 1997? That DL was pretty brutal.

Yes I was around. I am from Miami and I grew up, went to school with, and still talk to some of the greatest canes of all time.

Here is 20 years of University of Miami Sack Totals. I could not find the sack totals from 2000-2002, but I am 100% those numbers were great considering those were some of the best defenses this program has ever seen.

1992: 44 (Defensive coordinator Sonny Lubick)
1993: 45 (Defensive coordinator Greg McMackin & Tommy Tuberville)
1994: 42 (Defensive coordinator Sonny Lubick)
1995: 25 (Defensive coordinator Bill Miller)
1996: 34 (Defensive coordinator Bill Miller)
1997: 21 (Defensive coordinator Bill Miller)
1998: 39 (Defensive coordinator Bill Miller)
1999: 45 (Defensive coordinator Greg Schiano)
2000: Not Found (Defensive coordinator Greg Schiano)
2001: Not Found (Defensive coordinator Randy Shannon)
2002: Not Found (Defensive coordinator Randy Shannon)
2003: 48 (Defensive coordinator Randy Shannon)
2004: 38 (Defensive coordinator Randy Shannon)
2005: 35 (Defensive coordinator Randy Shannon)
2006: 38 (Defensive coordinator Randy Shannon)
2007: 31 (Defensive coordinator Tim Walton)
2008: 30 (Defensive coordinator Bill Young)
2009: 23 (Defensive coordinator John Lovett)
2010: 37 (Defensive coordinator John Lovett)
2011: 23 (Defensive coordinator Mark D'Onofrio)
2012: 13 (Defensive coordinator Mark D'Onofrio)

So in the 2 seasons under Mark D'Onofrio he has managed to produce the 1st and 3rd lowest sack totals in the past 20 years of this program. I am a supporter of D'Onofrio and I do believe he needs time to develop his guys but the numbers never lie.

 

[Ghandi]

I think some are reading to much into D'onofrio's historical sack stats when drawing conclusions.
few things. First 2 years at Temple dude didn't have squat in terms of players. And we all know one of the key driver in sacks is skilled rush ends. And those don't grow on trees. And the skilled ones end up at the top schools not Temple.
Secondly by year 4 you notice a big jump to 34 sacks which ranked top 25 in sacks. So he has shown a propensity to put up respectable sack numbers given time to recruit and develop his defense.
As for his time here, who were his DE's in 2011? True freshman Chickillo tied SR Marcus Robinson for sack leaders. Robinson's 5 sacks btw were his career high playing under D'onofrio. Vernon Oliver that year had 1 playing half the season. Vernon's career high is 5 sacks.
Last year was obviously a disaster but it really was the only year that was unjustifiably bad. But you really can't draw conclusions on 1 year.
We'll know more this year.

Ok, fair enough.

Let's throw out the first 3 years of them being within the program (3 years to recruit, train, and build). Look at the last two years sack totals.

Dorito's scheme @ Temple:
2009: 34
2010: 24

Dorito's scheme @ UM:
2012: 13
2011: 23

*34 looks like the outlier to me and not the norm.

For comparison sake, let's look at the what top 20 defenses have been averaging the last two years (keeping sample sizes the same):

2012: 41
2011: 39.4

Here is an interesting fact about Temple in 2011:
*#17 in Defense that season
*Sack totals went from 24 to 34 (+29%) over the course of one year.

and in 2012 Temple had 25. So there goes your theory.
If anything it shows how cycle things are and you really can't say the 34 sacks in 2009 is an outlier. It was year 4 where the defense D'onofrio built came to fruition.
If anything 2012 is an outlier or similar to what delt with his 1st few years at Temple while he built the defense up.

Why would you give Dorito credit for sacks in a year in which he did not co-ordinate the defense?

My theory is still pretty sound actually. His overall results (and we're just looking at when they've finished rebuilding) show that he wont get +30 sacks on average in a year. That is what Miami fans expect.

Look at what Temple's done (starting in 2011) since he left. The Temple fans ARE STILL LAUGHING AT US for thinking he would be anything different than he was while he was there.

 

[Ghandi]

Worst DL in the history of the program? Son, did you just start following the program last year? Yeah, it's not national championship caliber, but let's take a deep breath and not sound like the world's coming to an end. Give it time to develop and improve. And yes, there is reason to anticipate a step or two will be made this fall.

good stuff

2012 d line was the worst University of Miami defensive line I have ever seen in all of my life. I understand that last season this team was playing 1 JR, 2 SO's & 3 FR's in the rotation for most of the season and that is a for sure recipe for disaster. I do believe that the d-line will make a huge jump this season, I even expect to see good things from Cory King unlike most. My only is will Jalen Grimble be able to contribute.

Sack totals of the last 9 years (I am sure it will be very difficult to find a lower total than 13)
2012: 13
2011: 23
2010: 37
2009: 23
2008: 30
2007: 31
2006: 38
2005: 35
2004: 38
2003: 48

Were you around for 1997? That DL was pretty brutal.

Yes I was around. I am from Miami and I grew up, went to school with, and still talk to some of the greatest canes of all time.

Here is 20 years of University of Miami Sack Totals. I could not find the sack totals from 2000-2002, but I am 100% those numbers were great considering those were some of the best defenses this program has ever seen.

1992: 44 (Defensive coordinator Sonny Lubick)
1993: 45 (Defensive coordinator Greg McMackin & Tommy Tuberville)
1994: 42 (Defensive coordinator Sonny Lubick)
1995: 25 (Defensive coordinator Bill Miller)
1996: 34 (Defensive coordinator Bill Miller)
1997: 21 (Defensive coordinator Bill Miller)
1998: 39 (Defensive coordinator Bill Miller)
1999: 45 (Defensive coordinator Greg Schiano)
2000: Not Found (Defensive coordinator Greg Schiano)
2001: Not Found (Defensive coordinator Randy Shannon)
2002: Not Found (Defensive coordinator Randy Shannon)
2003: 48 (Defensive coordinator Randy Shannon)
2004: 38 (Defensive coordinator Randy Shannon)
2005: 35 (Defensive coordinator Randy Shannon)
2006: 38 (Defensive coordinator Randy Shannon)
2007: 31 (Defensive coordinator Tim Walton)
2008: 30 (Defensive coordinator Bill Young)
2009: 23 (Defensive coordinator John Lovett)
2010: 37 (Defensive coordinator John Lovett)
2011: 23 (Defensive coordinator Mark D'Onofrio)
2012: 13 (Defensive coordinator Mark D'Onofrio)

So in the 2 seasons under Mark D'Onofrio he has managed to produce the 1st and 3rd lowest sack totals in the past 20 years of this program. I am a supporter of D'Onofrio and I do believe he needs time to develop his guys but the numbers never lie.

MOAR FACTS!

 

[CaneAlmighty]

I think some are reading to much into D'onofrio's historical sack stats when drawing conclusions.
few things. First 2 years at Temple dude didn't have squat in terms of players. And we all know one of the key driver in sacks is skilled rush ends. And those don't grow on trees. And the skilled ones end up at the top schools not Temple.
Secondly by year 4 you notice a big jump to 34 sacks which ranked top 25 in sacks. So he has shown a propensity to put up respectable sack numbers given time to recruit and develop his defense.
As for his time here, who were his DE's in 2011? True freshman Chickillo tied SR Marcus Robinson for sack leaders. Robinson's 5 sacks btw were his career high playing under D'onofrio. Vernon Oliver that year had 1 playing half the season. Vernon's career high is 5 sacks.
Last year was obviously a disaster but it really was the only year that was unjustifiably bad. But you really can't draw conclusions on 1 year.
We'll know more this year.

Ok, fair enough.

Let's throw out the first 3 years of them being within the program (3 years to recruit, train, and build). Look at the last two years sack totals.

Dorito's scheme @ Temple:
2009: 34
2010: 24

Dorito's scheme @ UM:
2012: 13
2011: 23

*34 looks like the outlier to me and not the norm.

For comparison sake, let's look at the what top 20 defenses have been averaging the last two years (keeping sample sizes the same):

2012: 41
2011: 39.4

Here is an interesting fact about Temple in 2011:
*#17 in Defense that season
*Sack totals went from 24 to 34 (+29%) over the course of one year.

and in 2012 Temple had 25. So there goes your theory.
If anything it shows how cycle things are and you really can't say the 34 sacks in 2009 is an outlier. It was year 4 where the defense D'onofrio built came to fruition.
If anything 2012 is an outlier or similar to what delt with his 1st few years at Temple while he built the defense up.

Why would you give Dorito credit for sacks in a year in which he did not co-ordinate the defense?

My theory is still pretty sound actually. His overall results (and we're just looking at when they've finished rebuilding) show that he wont get +30 sacks on average in a year. That is what Miami fans expect.

Look at what Temple's done (starting in 2011) since he left. The Temple fans ARE STILL LAUGHING AT US for thinking he would be anything different than he was while he was there.

what are you talking about giving D'onofrio credit? never did such a thing.
I posted Temples 2012 sack numbers (25) to counter your assertion that when a new DC took over at Temple in 2011 their sacks increased to 34. Well happened in 2012? That's why your theory fails. And again you can't use a 2 year sample to draw any sound conclusion.

 

[AUcane]

A smallish DT needs to be quick and explosive off the snap, which he is not, which hurts him at DE also.

Make or break year for him IMO.

A smallish DT also needs to be redshirted. He and HAmilton really got hurt by not redshirting.