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Why N'Kosi Perry will be Starting QB

dukebeeasy305 said:
Just ask yourselves this.. If Richt doesn't use him with some designed run plays throughout the game how ****ed off will you be?
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Honestly, not very. Perry is at his best on foot when he's improvising. Richt was quoted a while back that he never called a designed run for Charlie Ward either, and it was his ability to make things happen by any means necessary that made him special. I think that's what Richt sees in Perry.
 

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dukebeeasy305 said:
Just ask yourselves this.. If Richt doesn't use him with some designed run plays throughout the game how ****ed off will you be?
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Not at all, because he's not a dual threat QB. Michael Vick was a dual threat QB. To me a dual threat QB is one the D always has to be worried about tucking the ball and running with it. Perry simply didn't have the yards in high school to suggest he is a threat to run it. Can he escape pressure and make plays? Yes. Will it be by tearing off 20 yard runs 2-3 times a game? Nope.

Escaping pressure and being mobile does not make you a threat to run the ball. It just keeps the QB upright longer to make a play down the field. In my opinion that is all we need from him. That and the guts to run for 4 yards on 3rd and 3 from time to time.

It's just non-sense saying a QB is dual threat because he can pass AND make a guy miss... and pass.
 
If Perry was white no one would be calling him a dual threat QB. Any QB who gains 90 yards on 45 carries his senior year of HS is not a dual threat QB.
 
ThomasM said:
dukebeeasy305 said:
Just ask yourselves this.. If Richt doesn't use him with some designed run plays throughout the game how ****ed off will you be?
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Not at all, because he's not a dual threat QB. Michael Vick was a dual threat QB. To me a dual threat QB is one the D always has to be worried about tucking the ball and running with it. Perry simply didn't have the yards in high school to suggest he is a threat to run it. Can he escape pressure and make plays? Yes. Will it be by tearing off 20 yard runs 2-3 times a game? Nope.

Escaping pressure and being mobile does not make you a threat to run the ball. It just keeps the QB upright longer to make a play down the field. In my opinion that is all we need from him. That and the guts to run for 4 yards on 3rd and 3 from time to time.

It's just non-sense saying a QB is dual threat because he can pass AND make a guy miss... and pass.
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You've hit on a key point. If the defense you're going to be playing against doesn't have to game plan the fact that you're a consistent threat run the ball, then you're not a dual threat quarterback. And if high school defenses weren't game planning for Perry to be a dual threat, college defenses won't either, unless he shows that he is a consistent runner several times a game. Which he won't. Nor do we want him to. End of story.
 
Just think if he's to play in the first game but doesn't start he will be in much sooner than the fourth quarter.

Gonna be hard to guage him if he's playing with 3-4th teamers in a 50 point rout where Richt is trying not to embarrass BC by running up the score.

Would much rather see him in the second quarter so he's with the starters and can use The Whole playbook,or as much as they are willing to release that first week.
 
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KWConch said:
Just think if he's to play in the first game but doesn't start he will be in much sooner than the fourth quarter.

Gonna be hard to guage him if he's playing with 3-4th teamers in a 50 point rout where Richt is trying not to embarrass BC by running up the score.

Would much rather see him in the second quarter so he's with the starters and can use The Whole playbook,or as much as they are willing to release that first week.
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Yep. It would be pretty worthless to play him in the 4th quarter of a blowout to just hand the ball off.
 
The Ward comparisons are stupid, Ward was a waaaaaay better athlete than Perry coming outta HS. Anybody who isn't reminded of Bridgewater when they watch Perry is retarded...SMH.
 
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Hopefully he has the right balance of passing, throwing the ball away when needed, and then escaping by foot to pick up a couple yards. If we have to rely on him extending plays with his feet, we are in big big big trouble. If he gets the nod to begin with that is...

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OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
ThomasM said:
dukebeeasy305 said:
Just ask yourselves this.. If Richt doesn't use him with some designed run plays throughout the game how ****ed off will you be?
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Not at all, because he's not a dual threat QB. Michael Vick was a dual threat QB. To me a dual threat QB is one the D always has to be worried about tucking the ball and running with it. Perry simply didn't have the yards in high school to suggest he is a threat to run it. Can he escape pressure and make plays? Yes. Will it be by tearing off 20 yard runs 2-3 times a game? Nope.

Escaping pressure and being mobile does not make you a threat to run the ball. It just keeps the QB upright longer to make a play down the field. In my opinion that is all we need from him. That and the guts to run for 4 yards on 3rd and 3 from time to time.

It's just non-sense saying a QB is dual threat because he can pass AND make a guy miss... and pass.
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You've hit on a key point. If the defense you're going to be playing against doesn't have to game plan the fact that you're a consistent threat run the ball, then you're not a dual threat quarterback. And if high school defenses weren't game planning for Perry to be a dual threat, college defenses won't either, unless he shows that he is a consistent runner several times a game. Which he won't. Nor do we want him to. End of story.
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exactly.
 
ChosenOne said:
Perry isn't a typical dual threat.. People who say Perry is a dual threat are people who typical says a black QB that can run just a little bit is a run first QB. ****, buying time in the pocket classify them as a run first QB to some.. Perry wasn't that fast vs Okay HS comp.. dude gonna be slower in the P5.. Perry is going to just be a QB that can occasionally run for a 1st down and buy time in the pocket. He isn't the type of QB you run your read option offense with.
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yes, and to your point: malik rosier is a better overall athlete/runner than perry, and shirreffs has running skills equivalent to perry. so, I guess that means the ability to "run" is not going to be the driving factor in determining who is the starting QB
 
His ability to create when the pocket collapses is elite. The way he keeps his eyes down the field...you can't teach that.

Looks like he throws a nice ball on the run.


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RedSquare said:
ChosenOne said:
Perry isn't a typical dual threat.. People who say Perry is a dual threat are people who typical says a black QB that can run just a little bit is a run first QB. ****, buying time in the pocket classify them as a run first QB to some.. Perry wasn't that fast vs Okay HS comp.. dude gonna be slower in the P5.. Perry is going to just be a QB that can occasionally run for a 1st down and buy time in the pocket. He isn't the type of QB you run your read option offense with.
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yes, and to your point: malik rosier is a better overall athlete/runner than perry, and shirreffs has running skills equivalent to perry. so, I guess that means the ability to "run" is not going to be the driving factor in determining who is the starting QB
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Actually, I like Rosier and Shirreffs running abilty more than Perry. They are both more solidly built, and both have wheels. Shirreffs is a big dude now. What Perry seems to have the ability to do, like so many have said, is keep plays alive and hit targets down the field. The only question is can he do that against top competition. The closing speed of a senior CB or safety in college is much greater than that of a high schooler. Same with D-linemen. Perry has ability, but just like any great high school player, he needs to prove it against a top D in college. Lucky for him he will be facing one every day in practice.

I wouldn't be disappointed if he redshirted and got acclimated to the college game before taking the job. Now if he comes in and blows the doors off of everyone in front of him, start him. I just personally won't be down on the kid or knocking his ability if he doesn't win the job right away. I don't want to hear anyone knocking the kid if he doesn't win the job right away. Nor do I want to hear the starter being bashed if it's not Perry. We have a top notch coaching staff, and I trust their judgement far more than anyone here.
 
DrStrange said:
Why do people think Perry is a dual threat QB?
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Its simple. Idk why its so hard for yall to see... Dual Threat means the qb can beat you with his arm and his legs. N'Kosi can do both. Just because a qb doesn't take off on every passing play doesnt mean he isnt a threat to run. N'Kosi has the ability to make plays with his legs. I just love the fact that even when he scrambles he is still looking to throw. If the play breaks down he will run though and when he does he can put stress on the defense
 
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ThomasM said:
RedSquare said:
ChosenOne said:
Perry isn't a typical dual threat.. People who say Perry is a dual threat are people who typical says a black QB that can run just a little bit is a run first QB. ****, buying time in the pocket classify them as a run first QB to some.. Perry wasn't that fast vs Okay HS comp.. dude gonna be slower in the P5.. Perry is going to just be a QB that can occasionally run for a 1st down and buy time in the pocket. He isn't the type of QB you run your read option offense with.
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yes, and to your point: malik rosier is a better overall athlete/runner than perry, and shirreffs has running skills equivalent to perry. so, I guess that means the ability to "run" is not going to be the driving factor in determining who is the starting QB
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Actually, I like Rosier and Shirreffs running abilty more than Perry. They are both more solidly built, and both have wheels. Shirreffs is a big dude now. What Perry seems to have the ability to do, like so many have said, is keep plays alive and hit targets down the field. The only question is can he do that against top competition. The closing speed of a senior CB or safety in college is much greater than that of a high schooler. Same with D-linemen. Perry has ability, but just like any great high school player, he needs to prove it against a top D in college. Lucky for him he will be facing one every day in practice.

I wouldn't be disappointed if he redshirted and got acclimated to the college game before taking the job. Now if he comes in and blows the doors off of everyone in front of him, start him. I just personally won't be down on the kid or knocking his ability if he doesn't win the job right away. I don't want to hear anyone knocking the kid if he doesn't win the job right away. Nor do I want to hear the starter being bashed if it's not Perry. We have a top notch coaching staff, and I trust their judgement far more than anyone here.
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I normally use a free public forum to complain about one of the things I love the most (Canes football) with other degenerate fans when we are disappointed, but I'll make sure not to this time because you told me not to do so.

GTFO
 
Theedy50 said:
DrStrange said:
Why do people think Perry is a dual threat QB?
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Its simple. Idk why its so hard for yall to see... Dual Threat means the qb can beat you with his arm and his legs. N'Kosi can do both. Just because a qb doesn't take off on every passing play doesnt mean he isnt a threat to run. N'Kosi has the ability to make plays with his legs. I just love the fact that even when he scrambles he is still looking to throw. If the play breaks down he will run though and when he does he can put stress on the defense
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Some questions for you. How many teams did he beat in high school using his legs to run the ball up the field? Where are the stats that support this? What was his longest run? Why were his rushing stats so bad if he's a rushing threat? How is he going to put up better rushing stats against far better competition?

Any QB with two functional legs and a willingness to run the ball from time to time, under your guidelines, is a dual threat QB. Dan Mariono averaged 3.3 YPC in 1992. Did teams in 1993 have to worry about him running the ball?
 
hesskilla said:
ThomasM said:
RedSquare said:
ChosenOne said:
Perry isn't a typical dual threat.. People who say Perry is a dual threat are people who typical says a black QB that can run just a little bit is a run first QB. ****, buying time in the pocket classify them as a run first QB to some.. Perry wasn't that fast vs Okay HS comp.. dude gonna be slower in the P5.. Perry is going to just be a QB that can occasionally run for a 1st down and buy time in the pocket. He isn't the type of QB you run your read option offense with.
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yes, and to your point: malik rosier is a better overall athlete/runner than perry, and shirreffs has running skills equivalent to perry. so, I guess that means the ability to "run" is not going to be the driving factor in determining who is the starting QB
Click to expand...

Actually, I like Rosier and Shirreffs running abilty more than Perry. They are both more solidly built, and both have wheels. Shirreffs is a big dude now. What Perry seems to have the ability to do, like so many have said, is keep plays alive and hit targets down the field. The only question is can he do that against top competition. The closing speed of a senior CB or safety in college is much greater than that of a high schooler. Same with D-linemen. Perry has ability, but just like any great high school player, he needs to prove it against a top D in college. Lucky for him he will be facing one every day in practice.

I wouldn't be disappointed if he redshirted and got acclimated to the college game before taking the job. Now if he comes in and blows the doors off of everyone in front of him, start him. I just personally won't be down on the kid or knocking his ability if he doesn't win the job right away. I don't want to hear anyone knocking the kid if he doesn't win the job right away. Nor do I want to hear the starter being bashed if it's not Perry. We have a top notch coaching staff, and I trust their judgement far more than anyone here.
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I normally use a free public forum to complain about one of the things I love the most (Canes football) with other degenerate fans when we are disappointed, but I'll make sure not to this time because you told me not to do so.

GTFO
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I said I didn't want to hear it, not that you didn't have the right to. You can cry your eyes out for all I care, and you probably will.
 
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