Why does this keep happening?

[swat1]

I just wrote about this in another thread. It's the type of players that Miami goes after. They take great athletes not great football players. South Florida kids are poorly coached at an early age and get taught that there way to success in life is primarily through football (I was groomed the same way initially). This creates a "me first" selfish mentality. Miami is reliant too heavily on South Florida kids who keep this mindset. For every one Restrepo or Kam Kinchens or Santana Moss, there are 25 kids that make up the typical South Florida diva that lacks solid fundamentals and are not coachable. Butch recruited better quality people that were coachable. Some were elite athletes like Sean Taylor. Some were just raw football dudes with elite intelligence like Ed Reed and Dan Morgan. What I see with Cristobal, Diaz, Shannon, Richt, etc. is they are chasing athletes first and the individual second. All the physical ability in the world does you no good if you aren't intelligent and coachable. You have what we saw on defense this year. 11 individuals trying to improve draft stock and not one team working cohesively to win championships. Until Miami fixes this, this pattern will continue in perpetuity. Miami needs a coach with regimented system. Golden was close but had a fatal flaw with D'Nofrio.

Don't forget all the handlers, leeches and parasites on every street corner that are in these kids ears from a young age telling them how great they are. So, eventually when the kid gets their bag, they can get a cut.

 

[The canesman]

This season was supposed to be the perfect storm for Miami. Easy schedule along with the best offense in decades. The defense played well in the beginning of the season and was exposed by va tech. And cal. IMO the offense hurt the defense along with poor coaching and game planning. We didn’t utilize the run game as it should have been. 21-0 at cuse i thought we run run and score and eat the clock but we didn’t. We put our defense out there to fail. Great season for Ward but not the team. Our defense needed more ball control by the O. Yesterdays field goal was the same scenario as cuse. Iowa state put together the perfect drive at the end to win. We all said we doubted if Miami would get the ball back. This season was our chance and we blew it. 10-3 good season just not a successful one.

 

[ssvir]

They and so many fans think there is some special formula to Miami’s success.

They act like they know Miami history but are actually clueless.

We won 4 nattys with Schnelly, Jimmy, and Dennis. All outsiders.

Our slide began with hiring internally, getting Coker instead of actually conducting a proper search. The idiots in charge thought it best to listen to the players for the next hire.

And this was at our peak of relevance. You almost can’t make that type of incompetence up.

It had zero to do with being outsiders .... they all brought something new/innovative to their approach.

Howard - pro-style offense/defense
Jimmy - speed and athletes
Dennis - One back 3/4 WR offense
Butch/Coker - best evaluator of talent ever

 

[mavericksouth]

Don't forget all the handlers, leeches and parasites on every street corner that are in these kids ears from a young age telling them how great they are. So, eventually when the kid gets their bag, they can get a cut.

Yes, You've seen it too like me. It is going to require a coach who moves away from that old Schnellenberger philosophy of just get elite athletes and you'll be fine. Miami needs to prioritize getting smart and coachable kids first. If they are elite athletes too, that's great! But when I see Miami, with all these South Florida alleged "studs" get beat by Iowa State and Georgia Tech and Syracuse, something is fundamentally broken and I think it is evaluation of the players

 

[caneworld]

It had zero to do with being outsiders .... they all brought something new/innovative to their approach.

Howard - pro-style offense/defense
Jimmy - speed and athletes
Dennis - One back 3/4 WR offense
Butch/Coker - best evaluator of talent ever

Look at coordinators and asst coaches under them... that's the difference.
They could find the right ones.. many of them had NFL futures

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

It had zero to do with being outsiders .... they all brought something new/innovative to their approach.

Howard - pro-style offense/defense
Jimmy - speed and athletes
Dennis - One back 3/4 WR offense
Butch/Coker - best evaluator of talent ever

Bingo. This is what matters and why we maintained excellence through multiple HCs. My point was not that outsiders inherently are better but that the hiring criteria of being a “Miami guy” is flawed as **** and that outsiders won without being Miami guys by being innovative like you said. I’ll add that Jimmy brought the 4-3 and revamped the scheme in addition to what you said.

We haven’t tried to innovate for decades and people are stuck in the Butch way of thinking that talent alone wins big games. It doesn’t and never has.

This whole “stack talent” and the rest figures itself out is a bull**** philosophy and has never been true outside of the one time we put together a team that comes around once a lifetime if you’re lucky.

 

[caneknight7575]

 

[mavericksouth]

Bingo. This is what matters and why we maintained excellence through multiple HCs. My point was not that outsiders inherently are better but that the hiring criteria of being a “Miami guy” is flawed as **** and that outsiders won without being Miami guys by being innovative like you said. I’ll add that Jimmy brought the 4-3 and revamped the scheme in addition to what you said.

We haven’t tried to innovate for decades and people are stuck in the Butch way of thinking that talent alone wins big games. It doesn’t and never has.

This whole “stack talent” and the rest figures itself out is a bull**** philosophy and has never been true outside of the one time we put together a team that comes around once a lifetime if you’re lucky.

I agree wholeheartedly. I just said that talented athletes are not enough in the modern game. This is why I strongly disagree that Mario is a great recruiter. A great recruiter is also a master of player evaluation. Mario is a great closer on a targeted player. That's what he was at Alabama. Saban evaluated and gave him marching orders which he executed well. Lanning had to flip that roster at Oregon to get where they are now. Butch was an elite recruiter because Butch was an elite evaluator of talent. He picked the person first and the athlete second.

 

[rcr2]

Is this a systematic problem with the University?

Mario did not collapse like this at Oregon. Go look at Manny at Duke this year. Duke won the last three games. This goes behind coaching.

When things are going good here, its awesome, but as soon as something goes wrong (we lose) it collapses. You notice the compete collapse of our men’s basketball program too. The collective hive mind at Miami is of a front runner.

 

[cane22]

The good ol boys club leads to complacency and it stays with Mario. Hiring guys you’ve worked with before is great, but the perceived “threat” for your job goes out the window. Sabins assistants always felt that threat. Because he demanded excellence or else. I don’t see that with Mario. He lets his D coordinator hire his boy from Marshall and look, our db production went down hill. You hire the best and basest MFer out there. Not just your boys. Mario lost his energy on the sidelines this year. He’s trying to be perceived as the improved game manager and not get rattled. Guess what he still sucked in big call situations.
Mario can recruit. Talent acquisition is vital. But so is coaching games and winning them. Especially in November and December. In the current state, lose early. Because if you lose late, you’re fvked!!

 

[Silver King]

Elementary, my dear Watson; The Curse of the Orange Bowl​