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Who are we recruiting at corner

NorthEastCane said:
The problem is we're putting on the full court press on highly rated guys that are long shots to begin with. Then late in the process, when we cycle to "plan B's" we're told to kick rocks. Plan B's in So Fla are solid 4*s that are P5 worthy, you can win with them. But they're made to feel like they're second (or third) pickings. The poster child for this is Asante Samuels who we could have gotten early but we were enamored with Surtain and Campbell.

Instead, we should lock in the core of our class early, solid 4*s that can play at UM. Then chase the 5*s. We're starting to do that this year, despite the disappointment with Marshall. We just need one more because the depth isn't there.
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I wonder how Miami's approach to recruiting differs from a program like Auburn's.

From what I can tell, Auburn is not employing the same recruiting strategy as Alabama even though they're in the same state and same conference. Auburn's coming to South Florida to recruit just like Bama is, but they're not always recruiting the same kids.

Bama is swinging for the fences down here because they can and it works for them (Jeudy and Ridley and Amari and Surtain and so on).
While Auburn is gonna hit a double or triple down here pretty consistently (Mark Anthony Richards, Carlton Davis, Schwartz, Tre Mason, Ricardo Louis every once in awhile a kid that's recruited by everyone like Corey Lemonier, etc.).

But Auburn's strategy works well enough where the underrated or out of position 3 and 4 star (and 5 star every once in awhile) kids they get into their system are good enough to compete with Alabama's roster of 5 stars every year and consistently find themselves in a good spot come bowl season.

I wonder where Miami fits/should fit in between those two recruiting strategies.
 
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CaneFan954 said:
I wonder how Miami's approach to recruiting differs from a program like Auburn's.

From what I can tell, Auburn is not employing the same recruiting strategy as Alabama even though they're in the same state and same conference. Auburn's coming to South Florida to recruit just like Bama is, but they're not always recruiting the same kids.

Bama is swinging for the fences down here because they can and it works for them (Jeudy and Ridley and Amari and Surtain and so on).
While Auburn is gonna hit a double or triple down here pretty consistently (Mark Anthony Richards, Carlton Davis, Schwartz, Tre Mason, Ricardo Louis every once in awhile a kid that's recruited by everyone like Corey Lemonier, etc.).

But Auburn's strategy works well enough where the underrated or out of position 3 and 4 star (and 5 star every once in awhile) kids they get into their system are good enough to compete with Alabama's roster of 5 stars every year and consistently find themselves in a good spot come bowl season.

I wonder where Miami fits/should fit in between those two recruiting strategies.
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I don't know much about Auburn's strategy but I get the sense that they're trying to do what we used to do. They realize they're not going to win many head to head battles with Bama. They have to pick their spots. Their problem is that their natural recruiting pool isn't as rich as Miami's.

How often has it been said "We can't sign all of them from So Fla". That "You can build an all star team with So Fla 4*s we didn't recruit". It's not about finding diamonds in the rough. It's about evaluations and getting on the right ones before the carpetbaggers. Then cherry pick the 5*s we think we can sign (we've never gotten all of them).

Camps or no camps, no one should know our home recruiting grounds better than us.
 
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Allabouttheu95 said:
We’re Miami of course there is talent. You could legitimately throw a blind dart at most of the schools in dade and broward and find yourself a power 5 Db.

But we miss on **** near everybody we put the full court press on. Name any school over last 10 years that has won big.... they all have ELITE corners. These guys were signing aren’t going to cut it if we ever get back to playing at the top and this thread shows it’s been happening for a long time outside of Howard. Who unfortunately didn’t live up to his ranking (likely because of scheme)
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The thing with Howard was that he was never a legitimate 5 star CB prospect. Disagree if you must but to me Howard never had much of a ceiling athletically at least. To me he was always a 3 star type with a high floor. In my opinion, Tracy Howard's best chance for development would have to come from excellect coaching in the finer points of the game coupled with a burning desire from him to smash through the genetic roof of his potential by out working everyone else. That type of pure focus and determination to become more than the sum of ones parts and succeeding is actually quite rare but there have been a few notable examples of this.

Right out if the gate his college DB coach was Paul Williams. In addition to having a joke of a position coach, the scheme fit in Doritos abortion of a defense stunted Howard's potential development in more ways than I can imagine. The poor kid was swimming against the tide from the jump. Any chance of him becoming the player that he could have been ended when he signed that LOI. It sucks to say that but it's the truth and he wasn't the only one. He had plenty of company sad to say.
 
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FrancisSaywer said:
The thing with Howard was that he was never a legitimate 5 star CB prospect. Disagree if you must but to me Howard never had much of a ceiling athletically at least. To me he was always a 3 star type with a high floor. In my opinion, Tracy Howard's best chance for development would have to come from excellect coaching in the finer points of the game coupled with a burning desire from him to smash through the genetic roof of his potential by out working everyone else. That type of pure focus and determination to become more than the sum of ones parts and succeeding is actually quite rare but there have been a few notable examples of this.

Right out if the gate his college DB coach was Paul Williams. In addition to having a joke of a position coach, the scheme fit in Doritos abortion of a stunted Howard's potential development in more ways than I can imagine. The poor kid was swimming against the tide from the jump. Any chance of him becoming the player that he could have been ended when he signed that LOI. It sucks to say that but it's the truth and he wasn't the only one. He had plenty of company sad to say.
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Kid picked off a pass and housed it, and No D was on his *** for “freelancing.” I swear he was never the same after that. He was so robotic, and unnatural. Golden & his staph was more concerned w “doing ur job & follow the game plan” v. playmaking.
 
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Rellyrell said:
Kid picked off a pass and housed it, and No D was on his *** for “freelancing.” I swear he was never the same after that. He was so robotic, and unnatural. Golden & his staph was more concerned w “doing ur job & follow the game plan” v. playmaking.
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First play from scrimmage vs UVA! That was an amazing play! I figured it was such a great play that he scored on that Dorito would just have kept his mouth shut but I guess not. It was a WR bubble screen and Howard read it the whole way. Before the snap Howard knew what was coming. There are so many examples of our defensive guys saying FU to Dorito and making a huge play to spite him. Remember DT Luther Robinson vs BC up in Chestnut Hill? He knew a run play was coming and basically said "***** this patty cake b.s.. I'm going to penetrate A gap and blow this **** up! Robinson nailed the RB for a 5 yard loss and the Defense was pumped. Dorito was ****ed and Robinson got benched. I just can't fathom how Golden thought installing his passive defense was going to be a good idea.
 
FrancisSaywer said:
First play from scrimmage vs UVA! That was an amazing play! I figured it was such a great play that he scored on that Dorito would just have kept his mouth shut but I guess not. It was a WR bubble screen and Howard read it the whole way. Before the snap Howard knew what was coming. There are so many examples of our defensive guys saying FU to Dorito and making a huge play to spite him. Remember DT Luther Robinson vs BC up in Chestnut Hill? He knew a run play was coming and basically said "***** this patty cake b.s.. I'm going to penetrate A gap and blow this **** up! Robinson nailed the RB for a 5 yard loss and the Defense was pumped. Dorito was ****ed and Robinson got benched. I just can't fathom how Golden thought installing his passive defense was going to be a good idea.
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Bro!!!! I remember that play and the coaching result of that play like it was yesterday! This is y our def just gave up at times. What can u do?? U follow a crappy scheme, give up chunk plays, and the coach yells “do your job.” OK; so now I remember film study, I go off script to make a huge play, and the coach yells “stop freelancing! Do your job; sit here!” Gawlee, I feel terrible for those teams. That’s when we started having huge attrition rates.
 
Rellyrell said:
Kid picked off a pass and housed it, and No D was on his *** for “freelancing.” I swear he was never the same after that. He was so robotic, and unnatural. Golden & his staph was more concerned w “doing ur job & follow the game plan” v. playmaking.
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Money post and while that is a great example of your point, the biggest was Willie Williams. Guy made a play on the ball in over 50 percent of his plays in his limited action and his reward was the bench. He had to sit behind guys like Romeo Davis, no disrespect as he'll always be a Cane, but he couldn't find a play if it landed in his lap.

Seemed to me, the staff would've been better off picking Willie's brain in film study to figure out how the **** he read and reacted like he did. What were the tells he read. Instead, all we heard was how he'd play more when he learned how to play assignment ball. Don't get me wrong, I know the importance of that and you can't have everyone freelancing out there, but my guy made plays when given the opportunity.
 
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FrancisSaywer said:
The thing with Howard was that he was never a legitimate 5 star CB prospect. Disagree if you must but to me Howard never had much of a ceiling athletically at least. To me he was always a 3 star type with a high floor. In my opinion, Tracy Howard's best chance for development would have to come from excellect coaching in the finer points of the game coupled with a burning desire from him to smash through the genetic roof of his potential by out working everyone else. That type of pure focus and determination to become more than the sum of ones parts and succeeding is actually quite rare but there have been a few notable examples of this.

Right out if the gate his college DB coach was Paul Williams. In addition to having a joke of a position coach, the scheme fit in Doritos abortion of a defense stunted Howard's potential development in more ways than I can imagine. The poor kid was swimming against the tide from the jump. Any chance of him becoming the player that he could have been ended when he signed that LOI. It sucks to say that but it's the truth and he wasn't the only one. He had plenty of company sad to say.
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I’m just gonna say this 247 has a verified 40 time for him in Hs of 4.47 that’s legit idc what u say that’s a big noy time it’s all the coaching he got he made big plus while here he just maxed out from his coaching and his coaching was absolute trash
 
NorthEastCane said:
I don't know much about Auburn's strategy but I get the sense that they're trying to do what we used to do. They realize they're not going to win many head to head battles with Bama. They have to pick their spots. Their problem is that their natural recruiting pool isn't as rich as Miami's.

How often has it been said "We can't sign all of them from So Fla". That "You can build an all star team with So Fla 4*s we didn't recruit". It's not about finding diamonds in the rough. It's about evaluations and getting on the right ones before the carpetbaggers. Then cherry pick the 5*s we think we can sign (we've never gotten all of them).

Camps or no camps, no one should know our home recruiting grounds better than us.
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That's where I think the staff might have had it backwards in the past. They go after the 5 star and bag eligible corners first, feel good about their chances, and don't put enough heat on the other ones you were talking about and then when the first tier kids leave for the bag, they're left holding the bag, because the other kids have had the heat turned up on them by other schools for months before Miami turns its focus back to them.

If, even when Miami feels good about their chances with those elite corners, they continue to recruit those "right ones" you mentioned like they would if they DIDN'T feel good about their chances with those elite corners, they'd have good options to turn to the moment the elite ones go elsewhere as they have in recent memory.
 
FrancisSaywer said:
The thing with Howard was that he was never a legitimate 5 star CB prospect. Disagree if you must but to me Howard never had much of a ceiling athletically at least. To me he was always a 3 star type with a high floor. In my opinion, Tracy Howard's best chance for development would have to come from excellect coaching in the finer points of the game coupled with a burning desire from him to smash through the genetic roof of his potential by out working everyone else. That type of pure focus and determination to become more than the sum of ones parts and succeeding is actually quite rare but there have been a few notable examples of this.

Right out if the gate his college DB coach was Paul Williams. In addition to having a joke of a position coach, the scheme fit in Doritos abortion of a defense stunted Howard's potential development in more ways than I can imagine. The poor kid was swimming against the tide from the jump. Any chance of him becoming the player that he could have been ended when he signed that LOI. It sucks to say that but it's the truth and he wasn't the only one. He had plenty of company sad to say.
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You're on DOPE! Howard was a legit 5 star lockdown cb. He did it pads and 7on7 against everyone in the country!

He had 18 picks in 3 years in high school..at CB! 10 as a senior...TEN!!!!!!!!!

He led UM with 4 as a soph and the coaches FCKED him over!!!!! His junior year he got the first pick of the season and miraculously hardly ever played again.

He was a man2man lock down cb that had better technique coming out of high school than what he was being taught at UM.
 
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SayWhat said:
Money post and while that is a great example of your point, the biggest was Willie Williams. Guy made a play on the ball in over 50 percent of his plays in his limited action and his reward was the bench. He had to sit behind guys like Romeo Davis, no disrespect as he'll always be a Cane, but he couldn't find a play if it landed in his lap.

Seemed to me, the staff would've been better off picking Willie's brain in film study to figure out how the **** he read and reacted like he did. What were the tells he read. Instead, all we heard was how he'd play more when he learned how to play assignment ball. Don't get me wrong, I know the importance of that and you can't have everyone freelancing out there, but my guy made plays when given the opportunity.
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Man; don’t remind me of this either. Let’s be real; big time players make big time plays in big time games at big time moments. Ed Reed & ST26 may be the kings of freelancing. I get game plan and I get schemes, but football also call upon instincts, and those instincts are developed by being students of the game.

We’ve had some bad coaches, more concerned with their scheme v. rewarding a player for such instincts. We were built upon football IQ guys, which is why we DOMINATED the NFL. Somehow we got away from that; I mean kids literally BENCHED for trusting their instincts and making crucial/key plays. Smh. Breaking all confidence or interest in the game.
 
canes732 said:
I’m just gonna say this 247 has a verified 40 time for him in Hs of 4.47 that’s legit idc what u say that’s a big noy time it’s all the coaching he got he made big plus while here he just maxed out from his coaching and his coaching was absolute trash
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No offense but tell me what does that 40 time have to do with my post? Are you saying that Howard had a high athletic ceiling? Maybe you thought that I was belittling Howard but I was not. Howard was a good athlete who certainly belonged at UM. I just never thought that he was a 5 star caliber prospect. The crux of my post was that bad coaching and even worse scheme fit royally screwed him out of being able to reach his potential. I never thought of Howard as being slow but never thought of him as the speed merchant type either. You say that 24/7 has a verified High School 40 time 4.47 for Tracy Howard but ESPN had him running a 4.65 his senior year in HS and later on Howard ran a 4.60 at the NFL combine. I find those last two 40 times to be much more representative of what I saw on the field. Howard was a quick and physical CB who lacked recovery speed IMO. Howard also possessed great instincts, good lateral quickness, good ball skills, aggression and a knack for locating the football and making plays but he was never a burner. Besides, I've never considered High School 40 times to be very reliable and I'm willing to bet that the 40 time in question was hand held. I can get a few girlfriends I had back in High School verify that I have a 10 inch ******* and I can assure you that those measurements were absolutely and most certainly "Hand Held" among other things.
 
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Tee3000 said:
You're on DOPE! Howard was a legit 5 star lockdown cb. He did it pads and 7on7 against everyone in the country!

He had 18 picks in 3 years in high school..at CB! 10 as a senior...TEN!!!!!!!!!

He led UM with 4 as a soph and the coaches FCKED him over!!!!! His junior year he got the first pick of the season and miraculously hardly ever played again.

He was a man2man lock down cb that had better technique coming out of high school than what he was being taught at UM.
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Thank you for sharing your opinion. I never said that he wasn't a good football player with no skills.
 
Tee3000 said:
You're on DOPE! Howard was a legit 5 star lockdown cb. He did it pads and 7on7 against everyone in the country!

He had 18 picks in 3 years in high school..at CB! 10 as a senior...TEN!!!!!!!!!

He led UM with 4 as a soph and the coaches FCKED him over!!!!! His junior year he got the first pick of the season and miraculously hardly ever played again.

He was a man2man lock down cb that had better technique coming out of high school than what he was being taught at UM.
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All those HS stats don't speak to the point I was making in my post. When I say that Howard was not a legit 5 star prospect I am talking about how he projects to the next level. I said that he didn't have a huge upside athletically which means that I thought he was close to maximizing his athletic potential in HS. There are hundreds of kids who put up video game numbers in HS yet are not projected to be as good a prospect as another kid who has a great feel for the game but hasn't really begun to develop physically and athletically until they hit the next level. Yes Howard was a beast in High School and was a physical lockdown corner with great instincts and lateral quickness but I always thought that he had peaked athletically in High School. Howard was in my opinion a high floor player that I considered a high end 3 star or even a low 4 star not for the stats he accumulated in High School but for the type of college player I thought he could be. Now Patrick Peterson was a slam dunk 5 star recruit!
 
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