What's your opinion on Donna Shalala?

[SFbayCane]

Has Chuck Neinas been blamed for the Shannon hire yet?

:rollcanes:


Hahaha. I had forgotten about the Chuck Neinas thing. That was the Paul dee special. While other AD's use networks to find a new head coach, our guy twiddle dee paid $80K to super sports head hunter Chuck Neinas, who promptly recommended they hire a guy who was already on campus. LMFAO!!!

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

Has Chuck Neinas been blamed for the Shannon hire yet?

:rollcanes:


Hahaha. I had forgotten about the Chuck Neinas thing. That was the Paul dee special. While other AD's use networks to find a new head coach, our guy twiddle dee paid $80K to super sports head hunter Chuck Neinas, who promptly recommended they hire a guy who was already on campus. LMFAO!!!

Let's see...Neinas was the headhunter that brought Saban to Bama, Stoops to Oklahoma, Mack Brown to Texas, Marc Richt to UGA, and Butch to UNC. He also had some whiffs, with Willingham to ND and UW, O'Brien to NC State, and Shannon.

Point is the guy's a known commodity and has worked with **** near everyone in the biz, including teams and coaches that have won NCs. Let's not act like Shalala paid 80k to some ******** who didn't know what he was doing.

 

[DCF in LA]

Has Chuck Neinas been blamed for the Shannon hire yet?

In all seriousness, hiring Shannon made logical sense at the time. He's not eloquent, but he had a solid résumé as a DC, he's an alumnus, and strong ties to South Florida.

Shannon didn't fail because he's not great speaker. He failed because he's a weirdo and he didn't know how to implement his plan (which I'm sure looked all nice and shiny when he interviewed for the job).

If Shannon knew what he was doing and had the same speaking skills, he would've been successful.

He had never been a head coach before at any level. Let me ask you this - if Randy Shannon were such a great hire "at the time," why did they pay him 1/3 of what they paid Larry Coker?

I didn't say he was a great hire. I said it made logical sense.

It actually made the opposite of logical sense. Larry Coker was a career assistant who had NEVER been a head coach at a major level, and he bumbled his way from winning a title to going 7-6 just a few years later. With a downward trajectory like that, we absolutely needed an experienced, seasoned coach to come in and rebuild it from the ground up.

Instead, we settled for another career assistant, with even LESS total experience as a professional coach than the previous man, and the results were no different. In this sport, you get exactly what you paid for.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

Has Chuck Neinas been blamed for the Shannon hire yet?

In all seriousness, hiring Shannon made logical sense at the time. He's not eloquent, but he had a solid résumé as a DC, he's an alumnus, and strong ties to South Florida.

Shannon didn't fail because he's not great speaker. He failed because he's a weirdo and he didn't know how to implement his plan (which I'm sure looked all nice and shiny when he interviewed for the job).

If Shannon knew what he was doing and had the same speaking skills, he would've been successful.

He had never been a head coach before at any level. Let me ask you this - if Randy Shannon were such a great hire "at the time," why did they pay him 1/3 of what they paid Larry Coker?

I didn't say he was a great hire. I said it made logical sense.

It actually made the opposite of logical sense. Larry Coker was a career assistant who had NEVER been a head coach at a major level, and he bumbled his way from winning a title to going 7-6 just a few years later. With a downward trajectory like that, we absolutely needed an experienced, seasoned coach to come in and rebuild it from the ground up.

Instead, we settled for another career assistant, with even LESS total experience as a professional coach than the previous man, and the results were no different. In this sport, you get exactly what you paid for.

When you're paying multi-million dollar buyouts to 2 or 3 ex coaches (Coker and Clark, as well as Labati for a time), you look to do things on the cheap. And considering the success of guys like Strong, Dabo, Muschamp, and a number of others who were hired by their respective schools without HC experience on the cheap, it's not an unheard-of thing do. Shannon had at least as strong a resume as those dudes.

FTR, we also got Golden on the cheap, and a ****-ton of folks on this board were unhappy about it, thinking we should have ponied up for Gruden or whatever other superhero BAMF they wanted at the time. Seems to have worked out well so far.

 

[SFbayCane]

Has Chuck Neinas been blamed for the Shannon hire yet?

:rollcanes:


Hahaha. I had forgotten about the Chuck Neinas thing. That was the Paul dee special. While other AD's use networks to find a new head coach, our guy twiddle dee paid $80K to super sports head hunter Chuck Neinas, who promptly recommended they hire a guy who was already on campus. LMFAO!!!

Let's see...Neinas was the headhunter that brought Saban to Bama, Stoops to Oklahoma, Mack Brown to Texas, Marc Richt to UGA, and Butch to UNC. He also had some whiffs, with Willingham to ND and UW, O'Brien to NC State, and Shannon.

Point is the guy's a known commodity and has worked with **** near everyone in the biz, including teams and coaches that have won NCs. Let's not act like Shalala paid 80k to some ******** who didn't know what he was doing.

The comedy is that he paid eighty large to have a guy recommend someone who was already employed by the UM football program. Only ******* twiddle dee could do that.

 

[dookie blaylock]

Has Chuck Neinas been blamed for the Shannon hire yet?

:rollcanes:


Hahaha. I had forgotten about the Chuck Neinas thing. That was the Paul dee special. While other AD's use networks to find a new head coach, our guy twiddle dee paid $80K to super sports head hunter Chuck Neinas, who promptly recommended they hire a guy who was already on campus. LMFAO!!!

Let's see...Neinas was the headhunter that brought Saban to Bama, Stoops to Oklahoma, Mack Brown to Texas, Marc Richt to UGA, and Butch to UNC. He also had some whiffs, with Willingham to ND and UW, O'Brien to NC State, and Shannon.

Point is the guy's a known commodity and has worked with **** near everyone in the biz, including teams and coaches that have won NCs. Let's not act like Shalala paid 80k to some ******** who didn't know what he was doing.

The comedy is that he paid eighty large to have a guy recommend someone who was already employed by the UM football program. Only ****ing twiddle dee could do that.

paul dee also hired the guy who built us a national championship team. he was also a career assistant, but don't let that ruin your circlejerk.

 

[trUstno1]

So we know that the NCAA enforcement is trying to nail us with Loss of Institutional Control. Whether we're actually charged with that will depend on what the COI determines here in the next few days (weeks, months, whatever.)

So here's my question.

If we are found guilty of a loss of institutional control, will that color your opinion of Donna Shalala? In my mind, it's pretty simple: Who is supposed to be "controlling the institution" if not our fearless leader?

The buck stops at the top.

I think that, combined with the fact that she stood by idly as the Orange Bowl was torn down brick by brick (and has since done nothing to get us out of Sun Life), and our facilities are still behind the rest of college football....

if we're found guilty of LOIC, Donna has to go.

Ernie,

Did you graduate from UM?

What does that have to do with Donna or UM football? I don't agree with anything that Ernie has said but not graduating from UM doesn't mean someone can't have an opinion about the school/football. I didn't graduate from UM but was raised in Miami and have been a die hard fan since 1981.

 

[Jmhcane]

Interestingly, it seems that everyone is correct in this thread.

*Donna has been great for the university.n

*Not very good for the major men's sports.

*She is a liberal elitist. What a meaningless BS expression.

*She is also hot and would hit til the cows come home.

So in short, yes, errryone here is correct.

Since the real health of UM finances is dependent on the medical school, she should be under the most heat for that situation.
She allowed the dean to run wild, allowed the disastrous purchase of Cedars and gutted the training programs by moving too many personnel/faculty to said Cedars.
For the rest of UM, she has done well.

 

[hoops156]

lol oh offseason.