What's wrong with this fanbase?

[hoops156]

born n raised in miami, went to UM, **** GOLDEN - you better win the ******* coastal or ur *** is done at miami. god **** tired of the rah rah crap for golden. go to car max youll get a better deal for the same clunker. sick of this **** man. we've been through this crap before, just win or get the **** out at this point in time.

 

[nycane]

Look, all I'm saying is, this guy had a death penalty staring him in the face, and righted the ship. He made this a nine win team with all the problems he face, and yet that isn't good enough. I'm not in favor of keeping coach D or jethro, but with added depth I'll give them another year. I just think it's absurd to see this fan base turn on coach as quickly as they did. It went from flying a banner against Wake, to fire him two weeks later.

Look, its his defensive scheme. Its giving up all dem yards and not making one adjustment. And then not firing his butt buddy. And then giving us the hope that he's leaving only to get turned down and return to us.

******'s got to go.

Look I want Coach D gone just as much as the next guy, but if we lost Golden this program would be into reverse big time.

Lol I think most of us want this **** reversed!

problem is too many monday morning qb's. people who call talk radio and say "this is what i would do" there is a reason you are on this board and not on the sidelines. Nick Saban wasnt winning with our defense especially when our offense couldnt stay on the field. we were 118 out of 123 in time of possession. We lost gionni paul, Eddie Johnson, and Gabe Terry who were all more talented than guys like gaines or Ty. Ty, Gaines, Kacey, AJ, etc are not even getting a scholly to fsu or Bama. We had a horrific Senior class and basically have no juniors. We also forget the kids who didnt get in like AJL and Grooms and the kids who came and didnt want to work hard like Ivery and Brisk. All you fire Coach D mental midgets dont get it's AG's system. He is right, early in the year our defense played better but the problem is they were worn down due to lack of depth. The man put very good players into the NFL at Virginia and Temple (yes Temple) The staff has developed guys on defense with talent who work hard like Tracy, Crawford, Gunter, Denzel, Mccord, etc. They will develop Grace, Carter, Burns, Figs, AQm, Kamalu. They played to personnel which is why they only blitzed with Deon, McCord and AQM. To sit here post after post after post with this non-sense is annoying. Two years ago, FSU with way better talent was losing to Wake and VA. Our D-line lacks talent, Pierre is our best player and he is a former temple commit. We got a back up from VA in Renfrow who was starting this year. We didnt have the type of players we have coming in. 2014 will finally give us some depth. 2015 will be redshirting alot of guys and becoming a normal program again. The scheme wont work if you dont have personnel. You just couldnt be aggressive with Shayon, Gaines, Ty, etc.

On a side note, i have no idea what shannon was doing, hardly any of our seniors are florida kids. He was recruiting scraps from all over country.

 

[aelmiami]

Look, all I'm saying is, this guy had a death penalty staring him in the face, and righted the ship. He made this a nine win team with all the problems he face, and yet that isn't good enough. I'm not in favor of keeping coach D or jethro, but with added depth I'll give them another year. I just think it's absurd to see this fan base turn on coach as quickly as they did. It went from flying a banner against Wake, to fire him two weeks later.

Look, its his defensive scheme. Its giving up all dem yards and not making one adjustment. And then not firing his butt buddy. And then giving us the hope that he's leaving only to get turned down and return to us.

******'s got to go.

Look I want Coach D gone just as much as the next guy, but if we lost Golden this program would be into reverse big time.

Lol I think most of us want this **** reversed!

yeah I think young buck isn't realizing who was sitting right there begging for the job and is unemployed. Butch mother****ing Davis. Butch talked to the Palm Beach Post and the Miami Herald to tell them both if the job came open he would be jumping all over it and campaigning for it. Now if he gets a shot who knows but with Petrino, Butch and even Chud sitting there as possible replacements with two of three unemployed and the other working out his transgressions at a small school, the timing was perfect.

And if young buck here doesn't realize how god **** good Butch Davis would be at keeping this class together and getting Valentine back on board, then he does need a history lesson.

I think Butch is in the running for best Miami coach ever, but finishes in a close second behind Jimmy Johnson. I'd love for him to come back, but I also realize he won't coach here again. I'd make him the number one guy and basically say the job is yours with no questions asked. It sucks but when he left for cleveland he guaranteed he'd never coach here again. Donna will never allow it. Not after what just happened with Shapiro. The man built an empire here that it took Coker 5 seasons to burn down. So I'd love to see him coach here again. But it just won't happen.

 

[nycane]

butch knows what he gave up and that was a long term dynasty.

 

[NoahZach]

This fan base has some serious issues with supporting their team. If I were to ask Miami fans three years ago, what would this team look like heading into 2014, what would some of the responses be? Probably on probation, bowl bans for the next seasons, major scholarship reductions and middling program heading down a nowhere path. Most fans would, most fans meaning fans other than Miami fans, would say where we are considering where we were three seasons ago, would look at this and say that is quite the accomplishment. But Miami fans, not a chance in ****. Our coach cleaned this program up in really one season. All the dead weight, trouble making kids were gone before the season truly started. And he has slowly built this team under the NCAA scrutiny and negative recruiting for 2.5 seasons. We lost our best position coaches, Fisch, McDonald, and Richardson before this season. We lost our best offensive player right as we hit our toughest part of the schedule and we still managed to win 9 games. A two win improvement from last season, even with all the changes. If we have Duke for the Va Tech and Duke games, we would've won those two games. This was a 10-11 win team last season with a healthy Duke Johnson, but he wasn't and we had a RB committee that wasn't ready for that workload. I know the defensive problems we had, added depth and players better suited for the system will help alleviate some of the issues. But as a fan base, why do we hate this program so much? People are really considering not donating money to their "favorite" football program. People will boycott games, I mean really? People always say, how come these S FLA kids don't wanna stay home and play for their hometown team? It's funny because those some people are the ones who won't support this program. At all. Butch will never coach here again. PSU is not gonna hire Golden. I may be in the minority on this one, but when Golden leads this team to great things I'll be waiting for this fan base to jump onto it's own bandwaggon and support our Coach.

Terrible post all around, OP.

First you say people would have expected major scholarship reductions and a bowl ban for this season. Well guess what? That didn't happen. We didn't get major scholarships and we didn't miss a meaningful bowl game. We got a slap on the wrist scholarship-wise and the self-imposed bowl bans were for 6 and 7 win teams. We would've been playing in the Who-Gives-A-**** Bowl.

You say Golden cleaned the program up in one season by getting rid of the dead weight and trouble makers. You mean the trouble makers like Eddie Johnson, Gabe Terry and Thomas Finnie? Or the dead weight like Gionni Paul and Danny Dillard? In case you didn't notice, those were all guys that Golden brought in. Why are you celebrating him kicking off players that he brought in like it's some accomplishment?

You're right. He has slowly built this program up. 3 years in and he still doesn't have enough talent to beat Duke or one of the worst VT teams in recent history. Maybe next year we'll have enough talent to beat Duke!

As far as losing his best position coaches, that happens all around the country. Look how FSU got gutted before this season and what they were able to accomplish this season. They lost **** near their entire coaching staff and just won the BCS.

Duke may have been our best offensive player, but with or without him our defense still gets raped and we lose to VT and Duke (god**** Duke). As far as our poor RB by committee behind Duke, whose fault is it that the best we have behind him is Dallas Crawford and Gus Edwards? Whose responsibility is it to stock the cupboards with talent? Miami is located right in the middle of the most fertile recruiting ground for skill players and the best we can do is a converted DB and a glorified fullback behind our number 1 RB?

The defensive problems may be helped by added talent, but that talent will be true freshmen so we'll still have mental mistakes and players physically wear down over the season. Not to mention our scheme is extremely easy to prepare for and exploit by any OC worth a ****.

Also, PSU isn't gonna hire Golden because even they realize they can do better than a coach whose record is 1-12 versus teams with 8+ wins. His own alma mater thinks they can do better than that Penn Stater. How sad is it that his own school doesn't want him back?

Hey OP, if you want to know if we have a good coach go ask an FSU or UF fan if they wanted Golden to leave or stay and that should tell you all you need to know about the quality of our "coach."

Ok, you bring up some points that make some sense. As far as the Va Tech game, we just had a demoralizing lost against FSU(even bama succumbs to those) we had freshman mistakes that truthfully did us in. And like I said after two quarters Duke realized what we were doing on offense and it was too late. Especially having a rookie play caller. The defense well no one can excuse that. Depth, maybe to an extent but that won't cover it. And adding RB depth, everyone and I mean EVERYONE thought Collins was coming here. Especially after he visited during the Duke game. And we scrambled to steal Edwards. And we will never know what happened with Golden and PSU. I personally believe he wasn't offered the gig, or not when he wanted them to. And my District Manager is an FSU alum, who told me he hoped Golden would leave so they could steal Coley back and go crazy next season in S FLA recruiting. And Florida fans lost to Golden and are losing in state battles against him. They would gladly have Golden leave. Outside fan bases recognize the job this man is doing. But our fan base expects him to produce title instantly. I am ****ed we didn't win the ACC this season and I'm extremely ****ed we were hammered by Louisville. But people outside our program see the work being done.

I love the OP's enthusiasm and I recognize the good things Coach Golden has done. He's our coach and, as always, I'll support him and the whole team next season.

But, the truth is that, with 2012's OOC schedule, this team wins only 7 games. Our problems on defense are huge and the gap between us and top teams remains enormous. Until teams stop exceeding their average offensive productions against us--sometimes dramatically--we simply won't be able to compete in the games that count every season.

There simply were far too many instances where it looked too easy for opposing coaches to scheme against us, with our team having no answers and opposing players running wide open. Third down was hardly a challenge for opposing offenses, no matter the distance.

We certainly had issues on offense as well. The loss of Duke hurt there, but that should not have caused us to struggle as much as we did.

We need to see a lot next season to really show that there is true improvement. Nine wins this season just isn't a real barometer. We need to see it on the field and, like many things, we'll know it when we see it.

 

[Andrew]

Miami fans expect to win.

I don't see players that didn't get into UM going to any other school not named Marshall or West Virginia so admissions is fine.

I want be interested to see a stat that shows average attendance per student for every D1 program. What I mean by this is Miami has 10,369 undergrads. I am not sure how much we average but lets say it is 45,000. That would be 4.34 per student. Texas A&M has 58,804 but last I checked they don't have 255,201 per game.

So maybe we got a lot of Canes fans they didn't attend the U or grow up in South Florida.

 

[FullyERicht]

Miami fans expect to win.

I don't see players that didn't get into UM going to any other school not named Marshall or West Virginia so admissions is fine.

I want be interested to see a stat that shows average attendance per student for every D1 program. What I mean by this is Miami has 10,369 undergrads. I am not sure how much we average but lets say it is 45,000. That would be 4.34 per student. Texas A&M has 58,804 but last I checked they don't have 255,201 per game.

So maybe we got a lot of Canes fans they didn't attend the U or grow up in South Florida.

Umm the two kids who won the game for our hated rival couldn't get into Miami.

 

[Andrew]

Miami fans expect to win.

I don't see players that didn't get into UM going to any other school not named Marshall or West Virginia so admissions is fine.

I want be interested to see a stat that shows average attendance per student for every D1 program. What I mean by this is Miami has 10,369 undergrads. I am not sure how much we average but lets say it is 45,000. That would be 4.34 per student. Texas A&M has 58,804 but last I checked they don't have 255,201 per game.

So maybe we got a lot of Canes fans they didn't attend the U or grow up in South Florida.

Umm the two kids who won the game for our hated rival couldn't get into Miami.

They choose not to come to Miami.

 

[FullyERicht]

Miami fans expect to win.

I don't see players that didn't get into UM going to any other school not named Marshall or West Virginia so admissions is fine.

I want be interested to see a stat that shows average attendance per student for every D1 program. What I mean by this is Miami has 10,369 undergrads. I am not sure how much we average but lets say it is 45,000. That would be 4.34 per student. Texas A&M has 58,804 but last I checked they don't have 255,201 per game.

So maybe we got a lot of Canes fans they didn't attend the U or grow up in South Florida.

Umm the two kids who won the game for our hated rival couldn't get into Miami.

They choose not to come to Miami.

If you mean they chose not to get their test scores up when FSU told them they didn't need to, yes.

When both those kids committed to FSU, not only were they ridiculed for "being too lazy to qualify here", but they were predicted to be mediocre bc of that. And yet those kids WON FSU A TITLE. Not Jameis or their D. Stud talent that wanted to be Canes until our holier than thou standards forced them elsewhere.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Gae thread is gae.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Look, its his defensive scheme. Its giving up all dem yards and not making one adjustment. And then not firing his butt buddy. And then giving us the hope that he's leaving only to get turned down and return to us.

******'s got to go.

Look I want Coach D gone just as much as the next guy, but if we lost Golden this program would be into reverse big time.

Lol I think most of us want this **** reversed!

yeah I think young buck isn't realizing who was sitting right there begging for the job and is unemployed. Butch mother****ing Davis. Butch talked to the Palm Beach Post and the Miami Herald to tell them both if the job came open he would be jumping all over it and campaigning for it. Now if he gets a shot who knows but with Petrino, Butch and even Chud sitting there as possible replacements with two of three unemployed and the other working out his transgressions at a small school, the timing was perfect.

And if young buck here doesn't realize how god **** good Butch Davis would be at keeping this class together and getting Valentine back on board, then he does need a history lesson.

I think Butch is in the running for best Miami coach ever, but finishes in a close second behind Jimmy Johnson. I'd love for him to come back, but I also realize he won't coach here again. I'd make him the number one guy and basically say the job is yours with no questions asked. It sucks but when he left for cleveland he guaranteed he'd never coach here again. Donna will never allow it. Not after what just happened with Shapiro. The man built an empire here that it took Coker 5 seasons to burn down. So I'd love to see him coach here again. But it just won't happen.

NEGGED FOREVER!

Schnelly put this schit on the map cuz.

 

[NY Shyne]

The support is great in The NorthEast, it's the south Florida "home" fans that are lazy non child support paying Bums!! Lol can't wait to storm the carrier dome when they play Cuse again.

 

[Dingaan1828]

I think Butch is in the running for best Miami coach ever, but finishes in a close second behind Jimmy Johnson. I'd love for him to come back, but I also realize he won't coach here again. I'd make him the number one guy and basically say the job is yours with no questions asked. It sucks but when he left for cleveland he guaranteed he'd never coach here again. Donna will never allow it. Not after what just happened with Shapiro. The man built an empire here that it took Coker 5 seasons to burn down. So I'd love to see him coach here again. But it just won't happen.

NEGGED FOREVER!

Schnelly put this schit on the map cuz.

Thanks for pointing that out to him.

 

[ssj4cane]

Most of the heat comes from keeping his bestie Dorito around. Can't wrap my mind around any coach that gets to keep his job with how poorly he has performed. ***** a joke when I found myself during the Louisville game thinking the defense was doing ok. Fat slob nearly had me thinking 500 plus yards wasn't to bad.

 

[deleted5896]

Honestly... And not to be racist or anti-religion...

Cubans and Jews.

 

[HCanes]

I am a diehard Miami fan and i didn't even go to Miami. I fell in love with them during jimmy johnson era and the swagger team had. I loved the fact that everyone hated us then and now. People always ask me, did you go to Miami, i say no. I mean i am that much into da U. So, when the team struggles like this, I really get upset to a point i say to myself - i am not going to watch Miami play again. But guess what, following saturday yet again i am watching our beloved canes. We all love da U, but sometimes it reallly gets to you when you have not been successful in a while. I am hoping for the best and going to be optimistic as much as i can be....

 

[Ibis4life]

I have a buddy from a college football board I have known for years. He is a Buckeye and was in Miami for the Orange Bowl game last week. He could not believe the Canes fans he was hearing on WQAM complaining about Golden and where we are. He was one of those who predicted we would be crushed by the NCAA and buried for ten years before we could even crawl back to .500. Basically, what he said was that the rest of the college football world would laugh out loud at our whiny fans.

 

[dk72]

Ah exactly. A current student who embraces the concept that we shouldn't allow anything but elitist AP students into the university, and as such not use the sliding scale that every ******* good team uses.

You ain't no Cane. You are a University of Miami student. The U is dead, and we have you and your ilk to thank for it.

Wow, what nonsense. Go find another team to root for. Who do you think you are to tell a UM student that he's "not a Cane" because he doesn't have some punk attitude like you do? If he goes to UM, and supports the team, he's a Cane. Just because you want a team full of thugs (which in reality we never had, even in the glory days a lot of our top players were actually decent students) doesn't make you more of a Cane.

 

[Hurracanes]

For years, FSU wanted to get rid of Jimbo. Calm down. It happens everywhere where expectations are high.

 

[AsylumGodfather]

This fan base has some serious issues with supporting their team. If I were to ask Miami fans three years ago, what would this team look like heading into 2014, what would some of the responses be? Probably on probation, bowl bans for the next seasons, major scholarship reductions and middling program heading down a nowhere path. Most fans would, most fans meaning fans other than Miami fans, would say where we are considering where we were three seasons ago, would look at this and say that is quite the accomplishment. But Miami fans, not a chance in ****. Our coach cleaned this program up in really one season. All the dead weight, trouble making kids were gone before the season truly started. And he has slowly built this team under the NCAA scrutiny and negative recruiting for 2.5 seasons. We lost our best position coaches, Fisch, McDonald, and Richardson before this season. We lost our best offensive player right as we hit our toughest part of the schedule and we still managed to win 9 games. A two win improvement from last season, even with all the changes. If we have Duke for the Va Tech and Duke games, we would've won those two games. This was a 10-11 win team last season with a healthy Duke Johnson, but he wasn't and we had a RB committee that wasn't ready for that workload. I know the defensive problems we had, added depth and players better suited for the system will help alleviate some of the issues. But as a fan base, why do we hate this program so much? People are really considering not donating money to their "favorite" football program. People will boycott games, I mean really? People always say, how come these S FLA kids don't wanna stay home and play for their hometown team? It's funny because those some people are the ones who won't support this program. At all. Butch will never coach here again. PSU is not gonna hire Golden. I may be in the minority on this one, but when Golden leads this team to great things I'll be waiting for this fan base to jump onto it's own bandwaggon and support our Coach.

Apparently you haven't seen this & after reading it get off your high horse

http://sebastianspub.wordpress.com/2...-coral-gables/

NO D IN CORAL GABLES

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Al Golden went on the Joe Rose Show today on WQAM in Miami, and after giving a completely implausible version of events of what transpired the last few days with Penn State, shifted to a discussion of the play on the field.

He immediately went into a full throated defense of his defense, citing progress and laundry listing statistics. There is a problem with the approach that Golden took, however. This improvement does not take into account the difference in quality of opponents from 1 year to the next. Golden listed out specific, cherry picked statistics where the defense marginally improved, but this ignores the fact that the 2012 Miami Hurricanes played 2 top teams out of conference (Notre Dame and Kansas State), while the 2013 Miami Hurricanes played one of the softest schedules in program history.

For a fair and complete analysis, it is important to compare like to like. In his interview, Golden also brought up the 2011 team, pointing out how good it was by once again cherry picking metrics. But what about a complete analysis of Golden’s defense and the one that preceded his arrival under head coach Randy Shannon, comparing games in the conference so you are comparing apples to apples? Oh, we have you covered.

The statistics are from games against conference opponents only in each year. So it removes the good from the defense against Savannah State, etc… but it also removes the beatdowns from Notre Dame and Kansas State last year.

Essentially, this is about as fair a look, removing statistical noise and talent discrepancies, that you can take at a defense’s performance. And the results?

Conference Rankings

Total yards per game allowed

Dead last by 50 yards this year.
Next to last in 2012.
8th in 2011.
5th in 2010.


Total yards per play allowed

13th this year.
11th (of 12) last year.
10th in 2011.
5th in 2010.


Number of plays

Dead last this year.
Dead last last year.
5th in 2011.
4th in 2010.


Scoring defense in conference play

12th this year.
9th last year.
4th in 2011.
5th in 2010.


Analysis: So the one year they slow down the game, the scoring defense looks good. But in reality, the Canes were still getting gashed at a ridiculous level. Since Al Golden arrived on campus, and right when he arrived on campus, the overall quality of the defense plummeted. Moving from one of the top in the ACC to the bottom.

Sacks in conference play

Tied for last this year.
11th last year.
8th in 2011.
5th in 2010.


Analysis: Golden said they improved on sacks this year. This is only because they ran up numbers against the dregs like Savannah State. Once in conference play, they were tied for worst in the ACC.

Tackles for loss in conference play

Last this year.
11th last year.
7th in 2011.
1st in 2010.


Analysis: Basically, Miami doesn’t make plays behind the line of scrimmage against vaunted ACC O-Lines and Offenses. In 2010, the year prior to Golden’s arrival, they were the best in the conference at this.

Opponent 3rd down conversion % in conference

Last this year.
10th last year.
8th in 2011.
2nd in 2010.


Opponent 3rd down conversions in conference

13th this year.
8th last year.
4th in 2011.
4th in 2010.


Opponent 4th down conversion % in conference

Last (83% ALLOWED!).
5th last year.
5th in 2011.
1st in 2010.


Opponent 4th down conversions in conference

Tied for last this year.
Tied for 4th last year.
T-6 in 2011.
1st in 2010


Analysis: The team doesn’t get off the field on 3rd down. They don’t get off the field on 4th down. Again, in 2011 when they slowed down the game, the number of conversions went down, but they still converted them at a ridiculous rate.

Opponent redzone touchdown conversion % in conference


4th this year.
8th last year.
1st in 2011.
2nd in 2010.


Opponent redzone touchdown conversions


9th this year.
12th last year.
1st in 2011.
2nd in 2010.


Analysis: The good thing about the defense is that when the opponent gets to the redzone, they actually do a good job of keeping the opponent from scoring touchdowns. The bad news is that they let them in there more times than anyone in the conference, so they get scored on one way or another.

Opponent plays of greater than 10 yards in conference

last this year.
last last year.
10th in 2011.
5th in 2010.


Opponent plays of greater than 20 yards in conference

11th this year.
9th last year.
1st in 2011.
5th in 2010.


Analysis: This is pretty remarkable. Not only is the defense not making plays behind the line of scrimmage, but other teams are converting big plays.

Turnovers forced conference play


tied for 6th this year.
tied for 2nd last year.
10th in 2011.
2nd in 2010.


Analysis: The Canes did a good job of forcing turnovers the last 2 years. Interestingly enough, even in this positive metric, it actually trended down this year.

Conclusions

The defensive “progress” and “upward trend” in performance Al Golden referenced in his Joe Rose Show interview are COMPLETELY attributable to the out of conference opponents being weaker. The defense has yet to improve in three years, and there is no statistical justification for continuing under the same defensive staff and/or scheme. We’ll close with this handy little chart showing the real lack of progress.