What's Golden's vision for this defense?

[CanesAreAble]

Depth chart 2014 with incoming recruits

DE Chick - Kamalu...Thomas
DT Moore - King...Wyche
DE Pierre - Hamilton...Stuckey

OLB McCord - Figueroa...Smith
ILB Perryman - Grace...Young
ILB Kirby - Blue...McCray
OLB Muhammad - Armbrister...Harris

CB Gunter - Burns - Dortch...Bethel
SS Bush - Fentress...Gray
FS Jenkins - Carter...Owens
CB Howard - Crawford - Elder...Mays

The middle of this defense-all I'm seeing is crossing routes going unchecked.

That's very fixable. It's not like those crossing routes are being completed because we're forced to recruit retards. Something is obviously wrong, but whatever it is can and likely will get fixed.

This.

I was looking over Golden's UVA defensive playbook, and it's funny because they have all of the concepts we've been clamoring for. It discusses pattern-reading, taking away "cupcake" throws, etc...

We're not where we want to be yet, and we're getting understandably impatient.

Golden ain't going nowhere, so we'll just have to see how it plays out...

 

[DiegoCane]

Depth chart 2014 with incoming recruits

DE Chick - Kamalu...Thomas
DT Moore - King...Wyche
DE Pierre - Hamilton...Stuckey

OLB McCord - Figueroa...Smith
ILB Perryman - Grace...Young
ILB Kirby - Blue...McCray
OLB Muhammad - Armbrister...Harris

CB Gunter - Burns - Dortch...Bethel
SS Bush - Fentress...Gray
FS Jenkins - Carter...Owens
CB Howard - Crawford - Elder...Mays

Owens is a LB. Stuckey is a NT if he makes it.

And you know these things for a fact?

Those are the positions they are being recruited at.

 

[rok]

Depth chart 2014 with incoming recruits

DE Chick - Kamalu...Thomas
DT Moore - King...Wyche
DE Pierre - Hamilton...Stuckey

OLB McCord - Figueroa...Smith
ILB Perryman - Grace...Young
ILB Kirby - Blue...McCray
OLB Muhammad - Armbrister...Harris

CB Gunter - Burns - Dortch...Bethel
SS Bush - Fentress...Gray
FS Jenkins - Carter...Owens
CB Howard - Crawford - Elder...Mays

Owens is a LB. Stuckey is a NT if he makes it.

And you know these things for a fact?

Those are the positions they are being recruited at.

word life

 

[rok]

Depth chart 2014 with incoming recruits

DE Chick - Kamalu...Thomas
DT Moore - King...Wyche
DE Pierre - Hamilton...Stuckey

OLB McCord - Figueroa...Smith
ILB Perryman - Grace...Young
ILB Kirby - Blue...McCray
OLB Muhammad - Armbrister...Harris

CB Gunter - Burns - Dortch...Bethel
SS Bush - Fentress...Gray
FS Jenkins - Carter...Owens
CB Howard - Crawford - Elder...Mays

The middle of this defense-all I'm seeing is crossing routes going unchecked.

That's very fixable. It's not like those crossing routes are being completed because we're forced to recruit retards. Something is obviously wrong, but whatever it is can and likely will get fixed.

This.

I was looking over Golden's UVA defensive playbook, and it's funny because they have all of the concepts we've been clamoring for. It discusses pattern-reading, taking away "cupcake" throws, etc...

We're not where we want to be yet, and we're getting understandably impatient.

Golden ain't going nowhere, so we'll just have to see how it plays out...

I'm beginning to see the light, Able. I really am. I still don't know if Dorito is the guy that should be carrying things out, but I am realizing more and more that this is really Golden's first season here in the big picture. Seasons 1 and 2 were a complete waste of time.

 

[Coach Macho]

Man that 2014-2015 line-up looks pretty good on paper.

Are these "stud" D-linemen gonna be able to perform the duties we're asking them to? Are they gonna be able to 2-gap?

The question isn't whether we'll be more talented or not, the question is whether our talent will be able to play in this scheme. One of Golden and D'Onofrio's mentors was fired last season for the same issues that our defense has been having. GT scrapped that bull**** and now they're ranked 12th in the nation in Total Defense. In ONE SEASON they've turned around their defense simply by installing new princples.

Our complexity on defense is what scares me the most. If we were still running a one-gap, attacking, 4-3 defense then I would have no doubt in my mind that we would have a top-10 unit with some of the talent we're bringing in.

IMO, the closer you are to the line-of-scrimmage the less thinking you should have to do. I want my big, dumb animals up-front getting after it every snap. I don't want them engaging, reading, disengaging, yada yada yada. Is there anything wrong with that scheme? No. Can it work? Yes. But is it harder, especially for 18-22 year old kids? **** YEAH. Mentally and physically harder.

I look at the talent we're bringing in and I imagine them in a one-gap attacking scheme and I honestly think that nobody would be able to block us up-front. Not only would we be too explosive to contain, but our kids would also be able to contribute earlier. We could use freshmen and sophomores at DT. But when I envision those same kids in the current scheme, question marks pop up over my head. Are these kids gonna be able to come in here and learn the D-line techniques? Are they gonna have the physical ability to 2-gap?

 

[RiDLer80]

We essentially have our DL block themselves with this read and react bull****.

Let these players do what they've most likely been doing their whole lives. Attack!

 

[Coach Macho]

It doesn't fit well with South Florida talent IMO. It's gonna be hard to find D-linemen who wanna do that ****.

I'm not saying it can't be done but it definitely makes it harder for kids to contribute early. I don't know if Pruitt has FSU 2-gapping or not but I assume that they do at times. They're giving up almost 40 more yards rushing this season compared to last year. Can that be attributed to 2-gapping? Maybe, maybe not.

 

[Loafers]

It doesn't fit well with South Florida talent IMO. It's gonna be hard to find D-linemen who wanna do that ****.

I'm not saying it can't be done but it definitely makes it harder for kids to contribute early. I don't know if Pruitt has FSU 2-gapping or not but I assume that they do at times. They're giving up almost 40 more yards rushing this season compared to last year. Can that be attributed to 2-gapping? Maybe, maybe not.

My question would be what are they telling recruits. We seem to have gotten some top notch defensive players last year and again this year. So, I assume when they sit down with recruits, the coaches and the parents they show them clips of what the defense looks like. Show them some diagrams of what they envision to get out of said recruit. Are they telling these guys "hey, we see you as a guy who isnt going to get many sacks or be aggressive. We want you to just stalemate at the LOS and hold up the offensive lineman." I dont know what the answer is but I still believe that the defense we see today is not the end game. It cant be. I understand that there are bad coaches and bad fits and that very well maybe the situation here, but I cant believe that average joe fan can see that we have deficiencies covering certain areas of the field and having guys open by 20 yards but these guys dont see or just dont care to address it. I know the D is Al and Coach d's design, but what do the other coaches think. Are you telling me that Williams, Franklin, Barrow etc watch this D and never speak up in meetings. I can see the meeting now " so Mike what happened with the backers not covering the flats on that play". Does Barrow just bite his tongue and say "we cut someone loose" even if that isnt what happened according to many on this board and its all scheme. If that is the case than we are even more screwed if coaches cant speak about what they are seeing and toe the company line and its causing the ship to sink, God help us all. Plus if it is all scheme and this is what we expect to see for as long as they are here and I am one of these other coaches, my agent is getting my resume out to any and everybody.We are all just speculating but these guys are on the inside and if this is all by design, no way would I be dumb enough to stick around.

 

[Coach Macho]

It doesn't fit well with South Florida talent IMO. It's gonna be hard to find D-linemen who wanna do that ****.

I'm not saying it can't be done but it definitely makes it harder for kids to contribute early. I don't know if Pruitt has FSU 2-gapping or not but I assume that they do at times. They're giving up almost 40 more yards rushing this season compared to last year. Can that be attributed to 2-gapping? Maybe, maybe not.

My question would be what are they telling recruits. We seem to have gotten some top notch defensive players last year and again this year. So, I assume when they sit down with recruits, the coaches and the parents they show them clips of what the defense looks like. Show them some diagrams of what they envision to get out of said recruit. Are they telling these guys "hey, we see you as a guy who isnt going to get many sacks or be aggressive. We want you to just stalemate at the LOS and hold up the offensive lineman." I dont know what the answer is but I still believe that the defense we see today is not the end game. It cant be. I understand that there are bad coaches and bad fits and that very well maybe the situation here, but I cant believe that average joe fan can see that we have deficiencies covering certain areas of the field and having guys open by 20 yards but these guys dont see or just dont care to address it. I know the D is Al and Coach d's design, but what do the other coaches think. Are you telling me that Williams, Franklin, Barrow etc watch this D and never speak up in meetings. I can see the meeting now " so Mike what happened with the backers not covering the flats on that play". Does Barrow just bite his tongue and say "we cut someone loose" even if that isnt what happened according to many on this board and its all scheme. If that is the case than we are even more screwed if coaches cant speak about what they are seeing and toe the company line and its causing the ship to sink, God help us all. Plus if it is all scheme and this is what we expect to see for as long as they are here and I am one of these other coaches, my agent is getting my resume out to any and everybody.We are all just speculating but these guys are on the inside and if this is all by design, no way would I be dumb enough to stick around.

All valid points.

I don't know what they tell recruits. We haven't exactly been pulling in stud D-linemen. Seems like we're finally signing a good D-line class in 2014 though. Maybe they tell them that this scheme will prepare them for the NFL. *shrug*

As far as the deficiencies on defense...

Some coaches make calls that leave their unit in vulnerable situations. They take gambles and hope that the offense doesn't expose a certain weakness that the particular play-call might leave them vulnerable to. For example: Tendency studies say that on 2nd & 8 VT never throws to the flats. I need pressure so I'm gonna blitz my flat defender and hope VT sticks to their tendencies and doesn't throw hot to the flats. If they do we'll tackle it and live to fight another play. Now, I'm not saying that's what we do, but some coordinators do stuff like this. I just watched the VT game again and there was a play that folded out just like that. (and I've seen us do this before) VT lined up in trips left. We blitzed the Linebacker that was lined up to the right of Perryman. (the single WR side) One of the WR's from the trips side ran a drag route rigth in front of Perryman's face. Perryman passed him off to nobody. There was nobody in coverage to the right of Perryman. Dude caught the ball in the flats and marched on. This has happened numerous times this season so I find it hard to believe that someone screwed up or that Perryman was supposed to run with that drag. Even if Perryman was supposed to tun with the drag, that would still be a flaw in the scheme. You don't want your 240lb Linebacker trying to chase a drag route from a WR with a full head of steam. He's never gonna win that battle.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

One of the WR's from the trips side ran a drag route rigth in front of Perryman's face. Perryman passed him off to nobody. There was nobody in coverage to the right of Perryman. Dude caught the ball in the flats and marched on. This has happened numerous times this season so I find it hard to believe that someone screwed up or that Perryman was supposed to run with that drag. Even if Perryman was supposed to tun with the drag, that would still be a flaw in the scheme. You don't want your 240lb Linebacker trying to chase a drag route from a WR with a full head of steam. He's never gonna win that battle.

I'm almost positive after re-watching that we were in man on that play and yes....Perryman should have picked him up. Pretty sure that is what Golden was referring to the numerous times we "cut" players loose. Now I also believed as you did....."that aint a good matchup anyway".

 

[Coach Macho]

One of the WR's from the trips side ran a drag route rigth in front of Perryman's face. Perryman passed him off to nobody. There was nobody in coverage to the right of Perryman. Dude caught the ball in the flats and marched on. This has happened numerous times this season so I find it hard to believe that someone screwed up or that Perryman was supposed to run with that drag. Even if Perryman was supposed to tun with the drag, that would still be a flaw in the scheme. You don't want your 240lb Linebacker trying to chase a drag route from a WR with a full head of steam. He's never gonna win that battle.

I'm almost positive after re-watching that we were in man on that play and yes....Perryman should have picked him up. Pretty sure that is what Golden was referring to the numerous times we "cut" players loose. Now I also believed as you did....."that aint a good matchup anyway".

Looked like we were playing man on the #1 WR but I can't imagine that any DC would be dumb enough to have a LB cover a WR (in bunch). Perryman is lined up near the middle of the formation. It would be impossible for him to play man on a WR that's lined up outside the tackles. What if that WR runs an out route?

I've seen this same exact thing happen quite a few times this season.

The play where we "cut" a guy loose was when Gunter forced that fumble that VT recovered in the endzone.

 

[sebastian91]

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