What's Golden's vision for this defense?

[CanesAreAble]

Golden himself seems like he doesn't know his vision

I think the shift in recruiting points to something very specific. My guess is we just haven't seen full implementation yet.

I can see that we want to be a 3-4 team and our recruiting of hybrids shows that.

However, I don't know what his vision is for the back end of this defense. Will we continue to play in these soft zones keeping everything in front of us or will we play tighter coverage? Will we always play this bend and then break defense or will we play with some ******* balls?

The question isn't personnel, the question is philosophy. Is playing soft, *****-Temple defense in their DNA or will they (Doritio and Goldens) call plays with confidence?

I hear ya.

I'm much more concerned with the front 7, though.

I don't have a problem with zone and off coverage and all that other stuff. If the front is controlling the game, it doesn't really matter what you play behind it.

I understand people want to be more aggressive on the back end. Maybe we will be. Don't know.

But we won't be anything on defense until the front 7 gets MUCH better.

 

[RiDLer80]

Honestly, at this point I have zero faith in this staff defensively and I'm not sure how much longer my posts on them will be semi-rational.

I see red every time the defense is brought up.

 

[CanesAreAble]

That's all fine and dandy, but why does the current vision have a linebacker covering a slot receiver?

That kind of stuff happens everywhere. Some teams stay in their base 4-3 the entire game.

LBs should be trusted to tackle WRs on underneath routes. They're not being asked to run with them down the sidelines in man coverage.

 

[CanesAreAble]

Honestly, at this point I have zero faith in this staff defensively and I'm not sure how much longer my posts on them will be semi-rational.

I see red every time the defense is brought up.

The problem is Golden's a defensive coach. If he doesn't know how to build a defense, then he probably sucks as a coach.

 

[Consigliere]

That's all fine and dandy, but why does the current vision have a linebacker covering a slot receiver?

That kind of stuff happens everywhere. Some teams stay in their base 4-3 the entire game.

LBs should be trusted to tackle WRs on underneath routes. They're not being asked to run with them down the sidelines in man coverage.

This is the dumbest talking point out there (LBs covering WRs). The niners do this all the time.

You don't always have your optimal unit on the field (i.e. an extra DB to cover a WR).

 

[DeadPoets]

What's nickel? Never heard of it

 

[Consigliere]

What's nickel? Never heard of it

Google it.

So LBs should not be required to cover a WR/TE/RB? What happens if you don't have a nickle in the game, call a time out every time?

 

[CanesAreAble]

What's nickel? Never heard of it

We run nickel.

 

[RiDLer80]

What's nickel? Never heard of it

Google it.

So LBs should not be required to cover a WR/TE/RB? What happens if you don't have a nickle in the game, call a time out every time?

I don't get the point you're trying to make here.

If the offense subs, then the referees stop the game/clock and allows the defense to sub also. So if an offense brings in a third or fourth WR and we stay in our base defense, that's a choice made by Dorito to not match personnel.

 

[killa1storm]

What's nickel? Never heard of it

Google it.

So LBs should not be required to cover a WR/TE/RB? What happens if you don't have a nickle in the game, call a time out every time?

Not sure how it relates to Miami's scheme specifically but the trend now is to move towards hybrids to mitigate those matchup issues.

For example at UF all our DB's cross train at corner and both safety positions. So when we play a run heavy team our 'hybrid' guy may be a strong safety or free safety type and when we play a pass-first scheme the hybrid guy is a corner or free type. It allows us to maintain numbers in the box with a guy athletic and versatile enough to matchup with that particular offense.

Another good example of this is Joyner at FSU and how they use him as a hybrid safety/backer in their 3-3-5. Teams rarely play a base defense anymore, it's a recipe for disaster.

 

[RiDLer80]

I also think that Golden wanting to be a defense based on "packages" is a huge negative and a big liability.

If your players are only brought in on certain situations to do certain things then that can easily be exploited by a semi-functional offensive coordinator.

I can understand that right now players like McCord and AQM aren't every-down players. My hope is that next year they will be and our defense will be less predictable.

 

[Consigliere]

What's nickel? Never heard of it

Google it.

So LBs should not be required to cover a WR/TE/RB? What happens if you don't have a nickle in the game, call a time out every time?

I don't get the point you're trying to make here.

If the offense subs, then the referees stop the game/clock and allows the defense to sub also. So if an offense brings in a third or fourth WR and we stay in our base defense, that's a choice made by Dorito to not match personnel.

What happens if they don't sub, they just motion a guy out of the backfield? My point is LBs should be able to cover in some situations. Not every situation can fully be accounted for a LB sometimes needs to cover a WR or RB or TE.

Not to you but in general LBs should never cover is a dumb talking point and this has nothing to do with Coach D.

 

[Canes_]

Golden himself seems like he doesn't know his vision

I think the shift in recruiting points to something very specific. My guess is we just haven't seen full implementation yet.

I can see that we want to be a 3-4 team and our recruiting of hybrids shows that.

However, I don't know what his vision is for the back end of this defense. Will we continue to play in these soft zones keeping everything in front of us or will we play tighter coverage? Will we always play this bend and then break defense or will we play with some ****ing balls?

The question isn't personnel, the question is philosophy. Is playing soft, ****-Temple defense in their DNA or will they (Doritio and Goldens) call plays with confidence?

I do not think we are going to see much of a difference. They played this soft defense at Temple when they had a pretty significant talent advantage over other MAC teams toward the end of their tenure.

This video is from their game against NIU in 2010 when they had NFL players and top round talent.

[video=youtube;7R_a6RiMKsQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R_a6RiMKsQ[/video]

 

[NVA CANE]

Golden himself seems like he doesn't know his vision

I think the shift in recruiting points to something very specific. My guess is we just haven't seen full implementation yet.

I can see that we want to be a 3-4 team and our recruiting of hybrids shows that.

However, I don't know what his vision is for the back end of this defense. Will we continue to play in these soft zones keeping everything in front of us or will we play tighter coverage? Will we always play this bend and then break defense or will we play with some ******* balls?

The question isn't personnel, the question is philosophy. Is playing soft, *****-Temple defense in their DNA or will they (Doritio and Goldens) call plays with confidence?

I think this is the most important question. Does golden continue his passive philosophy on defense or does he allow for the defense to get aggressive. IMO.

 

[NVA CANE]

Golden himself seems like he doesn't know his vision

I think the shift in recruiting points to something very specific. My guess is we just haven't seen full implementation yet.

I can see that we want to be a 3-4 team and our recruiting of hybrids shows that.

However, I don't know what his vision is for the back end of this defense. Will we continue to play in these soft zones keeping everything in front of us or will we play tighter coverage? Will we always play this bend and then break defense or will we play with some ****ing balls?

The question isn't personnel, the question is philosophy. Is playing soft, ****-Temple defense in their DNA or will they (Doritio and Goldens) call plays with confidence?

I do not think we are going to see much of a difference. They played this soft defense at Temple when they had a pretty significant talent advantage over other MAC teams toward the end of their tenure.

This video is from their game against NIU in 2010 when they had NFL players and top round talent.

[video=youtube;7R_a6RiMKsQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R_a6RiMKsQ[/video]

Lulz at the temple defense getting shredded by the bubble screens. What I saw in that video is a better defense than what we have but at the same time a defense that was more talented than their opponent commiting the same problems our current defense commits. I'll just flat out say it. I don't believe in Goldens defensive scheme or philosophy. It's garbage when al groh implements it, it's garbage here at Miami it was garbage at UVA. And before you tell me UVA was in the top twenty defense in Goldens last year there I will tell you it's cause it's such a garbage system it takes 4th and 5th year seniors to implement it properly.

 

[CanesAreAble]

Golden himself seems like he doesn't know his vision

I think the shift in recruiting points to something very specific. My guess is we just haven't seen full implementation yet.

I can see that we want to be a 3-4 team and our recruiting of hybrids shows that.

However, I don't know what his vision is for the back end of this defense. Will we continue to play in these soft zones keeping everything in front of us or will we play tighter coverage? Will we always play this bend and then break defense or will we play with some ****ing balls?

The question isn't personnel, the question is philosophy. Is playing soft, ****-Temple defense in their DNA or will they (Doritio and Goldens) call plays with confidence?

I do not think we are going to see much of a difference. They played this soft defense at Temple when they had a pretty significant talent advantage over other MAC teams toward the end of their tenure.

This video is from their game against NIU in 2010 when they had NFL players and top round talent.

[video=youtube;7R_a6RiMKsQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R_a6RiMKsQ[/video]

Lulz at the temple defense getting shredded by the bubble screens. What I saw in that video is a better defense than what we have but at the same time a defense that was more talented than their opponent commiting the same problems our current defense commits. I'll just flat out say it. I don't believe in Goldens defensive scheme or philosophy. It's garbage when al groh implements it, it's garbage here at Miami it was garbage at UVA. And before you tell me UVA was in the top twenty defense in Goldens last year there I will tell you it's cause it's such a garbage system it takes 4th and 5th year seniors to implement it properly.

NIU was the favorite in that game. They finished that season 11-3. Jerry Kill had a good program going there.

 

[terdferguson]

Honestly, at this point I have zero faith in this staff defensively and I'm not sure how much longer my posts on them will be semi-rational.

I see red every time the defense is brought up.

The problem is Golden's a defensive coach. If he doesn't know how to build a defense, then he probably sucks as a coach.

That's what scares the crap out of me.

 

[CanesAreAble]

Honestly, at this point I have zero faith in this staff defensively and I'm not sure how much longer my posts on them will be semi-rational.

I see red every time the defense is brought up.

The problem is Golden's a defensive coach. If he doesn't know how to build a defense, then he probably sucks as a coach.

That's what scares the crap out of me.

Me, too.

I'm hoping he just needs a little more time. I will say this, and I know most will strongly disagree, the Virginia Tech was the only game where I felt we looked ill-prepared. I know some people will point to GTech, UNC, Wake, and FSU, but I thought we were okay there.

GTech: Got us early with a formation we hadn't seen before, and took a little while to get adjusted because we ran like 4 offensive plays in the first quarter. They didn't do much after that first quarter. Goldon/MDO have had success against Paul Johnson and the triple option before.

UNC: Larry Fedora's a good offensive coach. We had some missed tackles and a couple miscues on drag routes, but overall I didn't think the defense was a mess. They tightened up in the 4th quarter.

Wake: Terrible tackling, and we got beat in man coverage for two big plays. And the awful spots on 3rd down by the officials.

FSU: Did about as well as to be expected against that offense.

VTech: A complete ****show and clear regression. Breakdowns everywhere.


We've seen progress, though slow. We need to continue taking steps forward.

 

[RiDLer80]

I'm still not buying GT coming out in some strange formation. Johnson has been running the triple option for a century. How many wrinkles can he still have?

UNC-Ebron was their only weapon and he was still running wide open through our defense unchecked. Poor game planning for their only playmaker.

Wake-making the same mistakes we've been making for 2 1/2 years.

FSU-Can't get off the field on third down, and out-coached.

V Tech-**** this defense.

 

[NVA CANE]

I think the shift in recruiting points to something very specific. My guess is we just haven't seen full implementation yet.

I can see that we want to be a 3-4 team and our recruiting of hybrids shows that.

However, I don't know what his vision is for the back end of this defense. Will we continue to play in these soft zones keeping everything in front of us or will we play tighter coverage? Will we always play this bend and then break defense or will we play with some ****ing balls?

The question isn't personnel, the question is philosophy. Is playing soft, ****-Temple defense in their DNA or will they (Doritio and Goldens) call plays with confidence?

I do not think we are going to see much of a difference. They played this soft defense at Temple when they had a pretty significant talent advantage over other MAC teams toward the end of their tenure.

This video is from their game against NIU in 2010 when they had NFL players and top round talent.

[video=youtube;7R_a6RiMKsQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R_a6RiMKsQ[/video]

Lulz at the temple defense getting shredded by the bubble screens. What I saw in that video is a better defense than what we have but at the same time a defense that was more talented than their opponent commiting the same problems our current defense commits. I'll just flat out say it. I don't believe in Goldens defensive scheme or philosophy. It's garbage when al groh implements it, it's garbage here at Miami it was garbage at UVA. And before you tell me UVA was in the top twenty defense in Goldens last year there I will tell you it's cause it's such a garbage system it takes 4th and 5th year seniors to implement it properly.

NIU was the favorite in that game. They finished that season 11-3. Jerry Kill had a good program going there.

Basically that supports the argument people make that golden can't beat a team that is equal or greater in talent. Temple lost that game 31-17.