What Recruiting at Miami Should Look Like: Elite Feet

Are saying quick twitch athletes are what scouts should look for. Short area quickness in football too me is the most important trait I’d look for. You are **** right on the mental processing aspect. Can you take coaching from rep one and use it on the very next rep. Can you take what the coaches put on the white board and in team meetings and take it too the field. Do u have study habit.. idk if you guys follow podcasts, but the uninterrupted crew hit on the difference between being a pro, and just being a talent. Along with the liberty city community sports programs It’s long but it’s a great listen
Yeah, I'm adding it should continue to be an emphasis and we shouldn't worry so much about star rankings as HS juniors so long as they at least have this very specific attribute. I'll listen in on the podcast as i'm traveling in the upcoming days. Thanks.
 
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I was going to start a related thread, more broadly on manny’s recruiting, having started the planning thread last winter.

He does seem to have a type by position, is leaning into evals vs ratings, and seems to have a plan for how this comes together. He also looks to be working on guys who if we get them, will take spots others have claimed, so watch for decommits.

Most importantly, he’s made the lines a huge priority. He did what he could on OL last cycle, but it was hard when he got hired in January. Found Traore. But OL for ‘20 appears really solid. Not just numbers and ratings, but thick, strong, athletic kids, and then a long, solid LT prospect in Washington. On DL, he found 5 guys who can contribute last cycle, and without checking, I am pretty sure Blissett, Harvey, Cam Williams and Hunte are athletes like Lu is talkimbout. This cycle, Q. Williams is a plus athlete also, to go with Ch. Williams, Height. Like Roberts as a 3 tech, not so much as a DE. Not sure on Riggins and Moise. Will not be surprised if one of those guys isn’t in the class.

LB - we need more guys and he must feel good about the kids we’re on. Like Flagg as a prospect. Mathis seems athletically solid, it’s about LB instincts. Will reserve judgment here. Gotta believe Manny can recruit LBs. We’ll see.

WR, TE, RB, QB we are all over.

DB is an interesting question. We took solid guys who can contribute last cycle - Couch and Williams at CB, K. Smith at S. Bolden was a nice pick up. But we didn’t pull the top local guys, and Manny was the DC so he doesn’t get the same pass as he gets on OL. This is a down year in so fla for DBs. We got Francois, who is an important get. Hodges is an eval. Will reserve judgment. Branch is a solid take. Not sure K. Washington ends up in the class if we can land others. We definitely appear to be working to get another CB. Overall, I worry a bit we’re below grade for UM DBs, but the guys we are getting can play here and we may just have to wait a cycle or two to truly restock at DB.
 
I was going to start a related thread, more broadly on manny’s recruiting, having started the planning thread last winter.

He does seem to have a type by position, is leaning into evals vs ratings, and seems to have a plan for how this comes together. He also looks to be working on guys who if we get them, will take spots others have claimed, so watch for decommits.

Most importantly, he’s made the lines a huge priority. He did what he could on OL last cycle, but it was hard when he got hired in January. Found Traore. But OL for ‘20 appears really solid. Not just numbers and ratings, but thick, strong, athletic kids, and then a long, solid LT prospect in Washington. On DL, he found 5 guys who can contribute last cycle, and without checking, I am pretty sure Blissett, Harvey, Cam Williams and Hunte are athletes like Lu is talkimbout. This cycle, Q. Williams is a plus athlete also, to go with Ch. Williams, Height. Like Roberts as a 3 tech, not so much as a DE. Not sure on Riggins and Moise. Will not be surprised if one of those guys isn’t in the class.

LB - we need more guys and he must feel good about the kids we’re on. Like Flagg as a prospect. Mathis seems athletically solid, it’s about LB instincts. Will reserve judgment here. Gotta believe Manny can recruit LBs. We’ll see.

WR, TE, RB, QB we are all over.

DB is an interesting question. We took solid guys who can contribute last cycle - Couch and Williams at CB, K. Smith at S. Bolden was a nice pick up. But we didn’t pull the top local guys, and Manny was the DC so he doesn’t get the same pass as he gets on OL. This is a down year in so fla for DBs. We got Francois, who is an important get. Hodges is an eval. Will reserve judgment. Branch is a solid take. Not sure K. Washington ends up in the class if we can land others. We definitely appear to be working to get another CB. Overall, I worry a bit we’re below grade for UM DBs, but the guys we are getting can do the job and we may just have to wait a cycle or two to truly restock here.
Moise is like 300lb with 4.78 shuttle, he is straight. Riggins in the other hand is a question mark.
 
From a numbers perspective, here’s what I see:

DB: we have 4 commitments (hodges, francois, bramch, kwash), and are recruiting additional guys at both S and CB. Expect 5 in the class.
LB: two commits and austin expected. Some others still being recruited. Looking to me more like 3 kids unless we get a big time guy to add to the mix. Surprised because 4 seemed more needed, but we have several potential future LBs committed for ‘21 as well.
DE: 3 if williams commits, counting roberts inside. Do not expect any more.
DT: 3 commits. Do not expect more than 3 but we’re still evaluating guys at this spot and trying for some better options. Expect change to the class.
OL: 3 commits, walker close, clearly still recruiting denis. Seems like we take 5 as long as its the right 5, and we should.
TE: 1 commit and trying for several others national caliber guys. We want , which makes sense. I think we only tale a second if its a big time kid, but we have a reasonable chance of getting one here.
WR: 3 committed, DW supposedly close, and still on some other guys. Looks like we’ll tale 4, which is understandable against our roster. But we also have 4 potential WRs committed for ‘21 IIRC. That’s a lot. Maybe a Flemimg or Restreppo gets a look at DB.
RB: looks like 1 unless knighton can be talked into coming on board.
QB: 1
K: 0

Overall, looks to me like potentially 26-27 kids.
 
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The thing I don’t get about evals... Are these players being evaluated over the course of several practices/games? Or is it a one-and-done type deal?
 
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I don't usually get into recruiting this early in the season, but I acknowledge this class is particularly important for the Diaz era. A lot of it will depend on what we do during the season, but if these guys are hauled in (big IF), this is what Miami classes should look like year in, year out:

OL
Issiah Walker - He's starting to get the hype now, but a kid with plus, plus feet and movement. Already 285 pounds as a HS junior and his test numbers look closer to an NFL prospect. You take those attributes and his natural ability to drop his *** and anchor on contact, and you let him control a Tackle position for a few years.

Jalen Rivers - I know some of the adults in his life, so I'm biased with insight on this one. Let's put it this way, this is an obviously huge kid who ran a 5.4 shuttle in 2018 and then a near 5.0 flat shuttle a year later AT 330 POUNDS! Been told he's a good, disciplined kid and obviously he has a lot of the attributes. More molding to occur.

Jonathan Denis - This guy is who inspired this thread because, on another thread, someone mentioned we might drop him if we land bigger guys. Maybe, but it'd be a mistake. You don't drop 6' 3" 280 pound HS juniors who run 4.8 shuttles.

DL
Chantz Williams - Again, have been biased on this one because I know adults at Oakleaf who vouch for these dudes' work ethic and mentality. That's more important than most give it weight, but it's really exciting when you combine that with eye-popping attributes. You have a kid who we might luck into for various reasons, and he has an 80 inch wingspan and ripped a sub 4.5 shuttle in 2018?

Elijah Roberts - Some people have underrated him because, in my opinion, they have no vision. If you view him as a DE, he's a nice prospect. If you view him as a 3T DT, he's a potential high level contributor, if not star. 4.81 shuttle at nearly 270 pounds as a HS junior.

Romello Height - Couldn't find any verified numbers, but watched him closely on film and his short area is a plus attribute. Can't project too much, but this is a guy who'd have the time to RS and maintain that change of direction.

Note, these are just the LINEMEN (and I didn't list all).

Modern college football (and the NFL, really) is won and lost in change of direction. Things have become so advanced and analytical that may be true at most levels now. I've long said we (football enthusiasts) are going to get to a point where we need to check for two main attributes: mental processing speed (football processing, not math or literature, ha) and shuttle. Miami Hurricane football should pop off the screen. Like when you watched Jerome Brown, Russell Maryland, Kevin Williams, Daryl Williams, Sapp and later the '00s crew. Some of those guys weren't just fast. They accelerated and changed direction. Happy to see us focusing on prospects who do the same. The stars/accolades issue (which anyone can acknowledge is correlated) will work itself out in their Senior years and as we begin to finally win some f'in football games.

Good writeup Lu. Surprised you left out Quentin Williams!
 
Good writeup Lu. Surprised you left out Quentin Williams!
I'm working, man. Ha. I don't have D$'s kinda time and focus for these things. I could and maybe should have done a more thorough post later tonight. But, that Denis comment pumped me up into talking about quickness.
 
I don't usually get into recruiting this early in the season, but I acknowledge this class is particularly important for the Diaz era. A lot of it will depend on what we do during the season, but if these guys are hauled in (big IF), this is what Miami classes should look like year in, year out:

OL
Issiah Walker - He's starting to get the hype now, but a kid with plus, plus feet and movement. Already 285 pounds as a HS junior and his test numbers look closer to an NFL prospect. You take those attributes and his natural ability to drop his *** and anchor on contact, and you let him control a Tackle position for a few years.

Jalen Rivers - I know some of the adults in his life, so I'm biased with insight on this one. Let's put it this way, this is an obviously huge kid who ran a 5.4 shuttle in 2018 and then a near 5.0 flat shuttle a year later AT 330 POUNDS! Been told he's a good, disciplined kid and obviously he has a lot of the attributes. More molding to occur.

Jonathan Denis - This guy is who inspired this thread because, on another thread, someone mentioned we might drop him if we land bigger guys. Maybe, but it'd be a mistake. You don't drop 6' 3" 280 pound HS juniors who run 4.8 shuttles.

DL
Chantz Williams - Again, have been biased on this one because I know adults at Oakleaf who vouch for these dudes' work ethic and mentality. That's more important than most give it weight, but it's really exciting when you combine that with eye-popping attributes. You have a kid who we might luck into for various reasons, and he has an 80 inch wingspan and ripped a sub 4.5 shuttle in 2018?

Elijah Roberts - Some people have underrated him because, in my opinion, they have no vision. If you view him as a DE, he's a nice prospect. If you view him as a 3T DT, he's a potential high level contributor, if not star. 4.81 shuttle at nearly 270 pounds as a HS junior.

Romello Height - Couldn't find any verified numbers, but watched him closely on film and his short area is a plus attribute. Can't project too much, but this is a guy who'd have the time to RS and maintain that change of direction.

Note, these are just the LINEMEN (and I didn't list all).

Modern college football (and the NFL, really) is won and lost in change of direction. Things have become so advanced and analytical that may be true at most levels now. I've long said we (football enthusiasts) are going to get to a point where we need to check for two main attributes: mental processing speed (football processing, not math or literature, ha) and shuttle. Miami Hurricane football should pop off the screen. Like when you watched Jerome Brown, Russell Maryland, Kevin Williams, Daryl Williams, Sapp and later the '00s crew. Some of those guys weren't just fast. They accelerated and changed direction. Happy to see us focusing on prospects who do the same. The stars/accolades issue (which anyone can acknowledge is correlated) will work itself out in their Senior years and as we begin to finally win some f'in football games.
Great stuff, Lu.

People dogged Berrios his first couple of years here but he carried this team his senior year. Every big play we had (outside of a couple of monster Langham catches of course) was Berrios doing damage and his strength was the shuttle. His legendary shuttle performance at the Opening stands out.
 
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Great stuff, Lu.

People dogged Berrios his first couple of years here but he carried this team his senior year. Every big play we had (outside of a couple of monster Langham catches of course) was Berrios doing damage and his strength was the shuttle. His legendary shuttle performance at the Opening stands out.
I dogged our coaching staff for confusing him with Tana or Reggie Wayne. Berrios needed to be in the slot, in the middle of the field and he actually didn't run as many option routes in the middle of the field as I would have liked. Guy played his senior year with a tremendous amount of balls.
 
It was on another thread. Might be one of the Walker threads. In the context of getting Dumervil and dropping someone (Denis). It just made me think "you can't drop these types no matter what."

Thing about Denis is if we are going to go after another guard, I can see us going after the 4* Guard from Louisiana more than Denis if we are really showing him as much interest as he said we was at the 5* Challenge.
 
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How TF we dropping kids that ain't even committed to us? This recruiting ish has gotten weird. Glad to the booty gifs seem to be a constant.
Seems like you missed the explanation of why it came up. Someone on another thread mentioned we’d drop Denis if we pulled another recruit. If you think it’s weird to talk about hypotheticals on a recruiting board based almost entirely on speculation, youre probably gonna have a terrible experience on here.

Here’s a pic to improve your experience.
 

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Seems like you missed the explanation of why it came up. Someone on another thread mentioned we’d drop Denis if we pulled another recruit. If you think it’s weird to talk about hypotheticals on a recruiting board based almost entirely on speculation, youre probably gonna have a terrible experience on here.

Here’s a pic to improve your experience.

Guess you missed the sarcasm and ASSumed I think its weird to talk hypotheticals.

Side note. I did enjoy the pic.
 
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