What is a realistic prediction for this defense?

[supacane]

Simplify it, adjust to the players you have and get it done.

This is what boggles my mind.. There was no amount of adjusting to Gaines, Green, Cornelius, Highsmith, Rodgers, Robinson, Armbrister that would have amounted to anything better than what we've witnessed the last few seasons.

My question is, if Highsmith, Gaines etc were so bad and were handicapping the scheme, then why were they starting. Why not start the younger guys if they are more athletic yet will make the same mistakes as those less talented than them?

They cant explain that. Why not put Kirby in there, why not Grace, why not put carter and Burns in the secondary instead of Highsmith and Rodgers? Im glad those players are gone but don't think the excuse machine has ran out yet. it will be some new **** this season. U never know the extent to where they will go to defend no D. A man with no significant accomplishment anywhere.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Simplify it, adjust to the players you have and get it done.

This is what boggles my mind.. There was no amount of adjusting to Gaines, Green, Cornelius, Highsmith, Rodgers, Robinson, Armbrister that would have amounted to anything better than what we've witnessed the last few seasons.

Thats the type of player Duke has. They had one dude drafted. One, they didnt out talent us, they out coached and out schemed us. Those guys were not cane quality in any way shape or form. But how many teams in CFB possess cane quality players? How many of the teams that beat us did? Duke fans and coaches cant sit there and whine about players, no they use wtf they got and won our division. And also these are the type of players Golden and No d had to work with at Temple, probably worst. Something is wrong with whatever they are teaching the players and if they havent fixed it or have it fixed in a month you will say the same shhh again we have seen the past 2 season, which is the worst defense i ever witnessed watching football. no exxageration

Sorry to say but those players wouldn't have started for Duke. I'd take their safeties and LB over that group.
Regardless not sure why you bringing up Duke since their defense gave up more yards in that game than we did.
Problem was that our offense sputtered at the end in a shoot out type of game.

Again, no amount of scheming would have produced better results when you have players that wouldn't even start for Duke.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Simplify it, adjust to the players you have and get it done.

This is what boggles my mind.. There was no amount of adjusting to Gaines, Green, Cornelius, Highsmith, Rodgers, Robinson, Armbrister that would have amounted to anything better than what we've witnessed the last few seasons.

My question is, if Highsmith, Gaines etc were so bad and were handicapping the scheme, then why were they starting. Why not start the younger guys if they are more athletic yet will make the same mistakes as those less talented than them?

Dunno. My guess that it was a zero sum game. And seems like Golden sides with SR's when it is. Also think he made a pact with the kids that stuck it out through the turmoil and wanted to reward them. You heard the younger players make reference to it all year that they were playing for the seniors and it was their team.

 

[supacane]

Simplify it, adjust to the players you have and get it done.

This is what boggles my mind.. There was no amount of adjusting to Gaines, Green, Cornelius, Highsmith, Rodgers, Robinson, Armbrister that would have amounted to anything better than what we've witnessed the last few seasons.

Thats the type of player Duke has. They had one dude drafted. One, they didnt out talent us, they out coached and out schemed us. Those guys were not cane quality in any way shape or form. But how many teams in CFB possess cane quality players? How many of the teams that beat us did? Duke fans and coaches cant sit there and whine about players, no they use wtf they got and won our division. And also these are the type of players Golden and No d had to work with at Temple, probably worst. Something is wrong with whatever they are teaching the players and if they havent fixed it or have it fixed in a month you will say the same shhh again we have seen the past 2 season, which is the worst defense i ever witnessed watching football. no exxageration

Sorry to say but those players wouldn't have started for Duke. I'd take their safeties and LB over that group.
Regardless not sure why you bringing up Duke since their defense gave up more yards in that game than we did.
Problem was that our offense sputtered at the end in a shoot out type of game.

Again, no amount of scheming would have produced better results when you have players that wouldn't even start for Duke.

Gaines Armbrister and Rodgers would have started or be significant players for Duke. Highsmith was a straight dud i have no argument for him. Take ur NO D tinted glasses off, we are not talking about Duke basketball...they had one player drafted in the 6th round. GTFOH. U must be related to No D. Duke has better coaches than we do, face it. You will blame everything and everyone but No D. He useless, he has coached 37 games, there is enough proof, not every coach works out. He is not Miami material just like the players u harp on about.

 

[Pennmed Canefan]

Simplify it, adjust to the players you have and get it done.

This is what boggles my mind.. There was no amount of adjusting to Gaines, Green, Cornelius, Highsmith, Rodgers, Robinson, Armbrister that would have amounted to anything better than what we've witnessed the last few seasons.

My question is, if Highsmith, Gaines etc were so bad and were handicapping the scheme, then why were they starting. Why not start the younger guys if they are more athletic yet will make the same mistakes as those less talented than them?

Dunno. My guess that it was a zero sum game. And seems like Golden sides with SR's when it is. Also think he made a pact with the kids that stuck it out through the turmoil and wanted to reward them. You heard the younger players make reference to it all year that they were playing for the seniors and it was their team.

I'll tell you why and it's fairly simple. Occam's Razor says that the old guys were better unless you think Golden wants to lose. Just because the younger guys have more inherent talent is meaningless if they can't even line up and don't know where to go. As recently as the bowl game it was evident that McCord (for instance) could not even consistently line up playing the hybrid LB position. That is the issue with discussing all the talent and lack thereof. Our system thus far has proven challenging for young guys so there's no reason "yet" to think that an influx of new young guys that won't know where to line up and will play and look slow due to confusion is going to matter.

And the idea that Golden wanted to reward guys who "stuck it out" is nonsense. It was easier for them than the young guys. The old guys weren't even coveted and would have to sit out a year if they transferred. Guys like burns and Jamal and Kirby and McCord opted to COME HERE with uncertainty when they could've gone elsewhere. That logic is some confabulated nonsense to obscure the more plausible explanation that Golden thought the old guys gave him the best chance.

 

[hoover437]

Simplify it, adjust to the players you have and get it done.

This is what boggles my mind.. There was no amount of adjusting to Gaines, Green, Cornelius, Highsmith, Rodgers, Robinson, Armbrister that would have amounted to anything better than what we've witnessed the last few seasons.

My question is, if Highsmith, Gaines etc were so bad and were handicapping the scheme, then why were they starting. Why not start the younger guys if they are more athletic yet will make the same mistakes as those less talented than them?

Dunno. My guess that it was a zero sum game. And seems like Golden sides with SR's when it is. Also think he made a pact with the kids that stuck it out through the turmoil and wanted to reward them. You heard the younger players make reference to it all year that they were playing for the seniors and it was their team.

I'll tell you why and it's fairly simple. Occam's Razor says that the old guys were better unless you think Golden wants to lose. Just because the younger guys have more inherent talent is meaningless if they can't even line up and don't know where to go. As recently as the bowl game it was evident that McCord (for instance) could not even consistently line up playing the hybrid LB position. That is the issue with discussing all the talent and lack thereof. Our system thus far has proven challenging for young guys so there's no reason "yet" to think that an influx of new young guys that won't know where to line up and will play and look slow due to confusion is going to matter.

And the idea that Golden wanted to reward guys who "stuck it out" is nonsense. It was easier for them than the young guys. The old guys weren't even coveted and would have to sit out a year if they transferred. Guys like burns and Jamal and Kirby and McCord opted to COME HERE with uncertainty when they could've gone elsewhere. That logic is some confabulated nonsense to obscure the more plausible explanation that Golden thought the old guys gave him the best chance.

Yet they played duke coley burns McCord and aqm as freshman...one would question will duke a veteran now get hurt using bad technic in blocking and his running style. Also funny how guys consistently talk about temple but how many early round draft picks did they have from Al's defense? Before I consistently beat on the scheme let's see what it look like this year. However, I agree the duke game was lost because we were out coached, that can happen on occasions when you lack experienced talent.

 

[Miami82]

Simplify it, adjust to the players you have and get it done.

This is what boggles my mind.. There was no amount of adjusting to Gaines, Green, Cornelius, Highsmith, Rodgers, Robinson, Armbrister that would have amounted to anything better than what we've witnessed the last few seasons.

My question is, if Highsmith, Gaines etc were so bad and were handicapping the scheme, then why were they starting. Why not start the younger guys if they are more athletic yet will make the same mistakes as those less talented than them?

Dunno. My guess that it was a zero sum game. And seems like Golden sides with SR's when it is. Also think he made a pact with the kids that stuck it out through the turmoil and wanted to reward them. You heard the younger players make reference to it all year that they were playing for the seniors and it was their team.

I'll tell you why and it's fairly simple. Occam's Razor says that the old guys were better unless you think Golden wants to lose. Just because the younger guys have more inherent talent is meaningless if they can't even line up and don't know where to go. As recently as the bowl game it was evident that McCord (for instance) could not even consistently line up playing the hybrid LB position. That is the issue with discussing all the talent and lack thereof. Our system thus far has proven challenging for young guys so there's no reason "yet" to think that an influx of new young guys that won't know where to line up and will play and look slow due to confusion is going to matter.

And the idea that Golden wanted to reward guys who "stuck it out" is nonsense. It was easier for them than the young guys. The old guys weren't even coveted and would have to sit out a year if they transferred. Guys like burns and Jamal and Kirby and McCord opted to COME HERE with uncertainty when they could've gone elsewhere. That logic is some confabulated nonsense to obscure the more plausible explanation that Golden thought the old guys gave him the best chance.

Nailed it, although klanmighty will never get it.

 

[supacane]

This is what boggles my mind.. There was no amount of adjusting to Gaines, Green, Cornelius, Highsmith, Rodgers, Robinson, Armbrister that would have amounted to anything better than what we've witnessed the last few seasons.

My question is, if Highsmith, Gaines etc were so bad and were handicapping the scheme, then why were they starting. Why not start the younger guys if they are more athletic yet will make the same mistakes as those less talented than them?

Dunno. My guess that it was a zero sum game. And seems like Golden sides with SR's when it is. Also think he made a pact with the kids that stuck it out through the turmoil and wanted to reward them. You heard the younger players make reference to it all year that they were playing for the seniors and it was their team.

I'll tell you why and it's fairly simple. Occam's Razor says that the old guys were better unless you think Golden wants to lose. Just because the younger guys have more inherent talent is meaningless if they can't even line up and don't know where to go. As recently as the bowl game it was evident that McCord (for instance) could not even consistently line up playing the hybrid LB position. That is the issue with discussing all the talent and lack thereof. Our system thus far has proven challenging for young guys so there's no reason "yet" to think that an influx of new young guys that won't know where to line up and will play and look slow due to confusion is going to matter.

And the idea that Golden wanted to reward guys who "stuck it out" is nonsense. It was easier for them than the young guys. The old guys weren't even coveted and would have to sit out a year if they transferred. Guys like burns and Jamal and Kirby and McCord opted to COME HERE with uncertainty when they could've gone elsewhere. That logic is some confabulated nonsense to obscure the more plausible explanation that Golden thought the old guys gave him the best chance.

Yet they played duke coley burns McCord and aqm as freshman...one would question will duke a veteran now get hurt using bad technic in blocking and his running style. Also funny how guys consistently talk about temple but how many early round draft picks did they have from Al's defense? Before I consistently beat on the scheme let's see what it look like this year. However, I agree the duke game was lost because we were out coached, that can happen on occasions when you lack experienced talent.

That didn't happen on occasions we got out coached all the time. Wake Forest, Duke and o yeah leaving Ebron open all game to run through empty zones. This was not some one off thing. Constantly unprepared for what the opponent is doing and blaming the players.

 

[RiDLer80]

LMAO, someone has hacked Wild cats account... 25 rated D, that there is some funny ****.

Wildcat must not be thinking clearly after getting to sit down with D'ohno.

It's like Pete and his interviewees. If they show him love and lets him interview them (Kayaa and Tyre Brady) then he hypes them up like no other. Since Doritos sat down with Wildcat for an extended period of time, everything is all gravy now and we'll have a top 25 defense.

I'm sure Doritos does understand the X's and O's but that doesn't make him a good coach/teacher. Maybe this stuff comes naturally to him, but he can't communicate it properly to the players/staff beneath him.

In this staff's 3rd year here our players were making mistakes as if this was the first month of a new system. Still can't get to the right zones, still not checking receivers crossing, just flat out blown assignments. For him to be so smart why are these mental mistakes still being made on a regular basis?

 

[CanesAreAble]

We still have to see if everything clicks, but we've definitely upgraded the talent across the board, especially at nose, DE/OLB, ILB, and Safety.

 

[Coach Macho]

LMAO, someone has hacked Wild cats account... 25 rated D, that there is some funny ****.

Wildcat must not be thinking clearly after getting to sit down with D'ohno.

It's like Pete and his interviewees. If they show him love and lets him interview them (Kayaa and Tyre Brady) then he hypes them up like no other. Since Doritos sat down with Wildcat for an extended period of time, everything is all gravy now and we'll have a top 25 defense.

I'm sure Doritos does understand the X's and O's but that doesn't make him a good coach/teacher. Maybe this stuff comes naturally to him, but he can't communicate it properly to the players/staff beneath him.

In this staff's 3rd year here our players were making mistakes as if this was the first month of a new system. Still can't get to the right zones, still not checking receivers crossing, just flat out blown assignments. For him to be so smart why are these mental mistakes still being made on a regular basis?

It has nothing to do with him giving me the time of day. I watched the film. I watched our players ***** up simple assignments.

With that said...

I already stated that either (A) he's not a good teacher or (B) he's doing too much.


There's still some things that I think are unsound and/or make me scratch my head a little bit but overall our concepts seem to put our kids in the right place.

 

[caneaddict]

Give me the following O stats to better answer the question:

Time of possession rank
3rd down conversion pct and rank
Redzone offense rank

 

[RiDLer80]

Give me the following O stats to better answer the question:

Time of possession rank
3rd down conversion pct and rank
Redzone offense rank

Go look at Florida or VT's numbers for their offense and then tell me a defense can't get be good even with an atrocious offense.

 

[bozcane]

I'll tell you why and it's fairly simple. Occam's Razor says that:

That logic is some confabulated nonsense .[/QUOTE]


:eekeyes:

 

[CyberCane]

Give me the following O stats to better answer the question:

Time of possession rank
3rd down conversion pct and rank
Redzone offense rank

Go look at Florida or VT's numbers for their offense and then tell me a defense can't get be good even with an atrocious offense.

What about the other 22 schools on the list?

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Give me the following O stats to better answer the question:

Time of possession rank
3rd down conversion pct and rank
Redzone offense rank

Go look at Florida or VT's numbers for their offense and then tell me a defense can't get be good even with an atrocious offense.

No doubt that VT and UF's defense are good. But you have to consider that UF had overall better talent and athletes than us and VT has consistently played and recruited for the same system for decades.

That's why with Golden improving the talent on defense and remaining the coaching staff intact to ensure consistency will pay off as early as this year. Watch.

 

[BALLHAWKU]

Top 50 if we are lucky. Not much talent and minimal production.

Really not enough talent? Firing up the excuse wagon for AG and his buddy already?

 

[Boarcane]

win JUST ******* WIN! :stormwarningflag-sm

 

[BALLHAWKU]

Simplify it, adjust to the players you have and get it done.

This is what boggles my mind.. There was no amount of adjusting to Gaines, Green, Cornelius, Highsmith, Rodgers, Robinson, Armbrister that would have amounted to anything better than what we've witnessed the last few seasons.

Thats the type of player Duke has. They had one dude drafted. One, they didnt out talent us, they out coached and out schemed us. Those guys were not cane quality in any way shape or form. But how many teams in CFB possess cane quality players? How many of the teams that beat us did? Duke fans and coaches cant sit there and whine about players, no they use wtf they got and won our division. And also these are the type of players Golden and No d had to work with at Temple, probably worst. Something is wrong with whatever they are teaching the players and if they havent fixed it or have it fixed in a month you will say the same shhh again we have seen the past 2 season, which is the worst defense i ever witnessed watching football. no exxageration

Sorry to say but those players wouldn't have started for Duke. I'd take their safeties and LB over that group.
Regardless not sure why you bringing up Duke since their defense gave up more yards in that game than we did.
Problem was that our offense sputtered at the end in a shoot out type of game.

Again, no amount of scheming would have produced better results when you have players that wouldn't even start for Duke.

So burning freshman for special teams like Grace and Carter instead of playing them to get a full year experience was a real sign of a genius,

 

[weownfsu]

Top 50 if we are lucky. Not much talent and minimal production.

Really not enough talent? Firing up the excuse wagon for AG and his buddy already?

What the **** are you talking about? It's Golden's fault if the talent sucks.

What a horrible porst.