What I saw and what I think it means for next week - OFFENSE

[The Franchise]

Forget about winning the games because our defense was bad enough to lose game for us but did Fisch ever outscheme a defense with more talent than us to keep us in a game? Virginia Tech in 2011? Maybe. Even then that offense had Lamar, Benjamin and Streeter. Guys who got drafted. Fall in love with him because he isn't Patrick Nix if you want but its not like he was scheming Wake Forest talent into high point totals.

Couple things, in one year he made Jacory look decent, and did overhaul our offense into something more than a jump ball. Second, he didn't jump ship for another college job, he went to the NFL, and the reports thus far are very positive.

He jumped ship to a job where he had an in with the head coach. They spent time in Seattle together. He is an NFL OC so credit is due to him. Being better than Whipple doesn't make you a genius. It makes you competent. The question still remains. When did he on gameday outscheme a more talented defense in his two years here?

Fisch's stuff was top notch. In terms of design and preparation they don't do it any better at the college level.

Execution plays into everything. Easy example is ND game. We execute early and the offense drops 21 in a heartbeat on the ND defense.

It was would've been 14 pts. Not 21. He is responsible for execution as well. You can't account for drops though. The stats prove there are plenty of guys who do it better.

Funny that I don't see James Coley getting the benefit of Stacy Coley's drops. LULZ.

 

[LuCane]

I had planned on it, but trying to do a project and also lose as much money as possible betting on games today.

The defense played well yesterday. I have a few concerns for UF - mainly some of the holes I still see in coverages. I'm also excited about what Deon Bush would look like doing a lot of what Kacy Rodgers did yesterday.

agreed. our run defense after the first games appears to be better than our pass defense. our LBs cant cover worth a caca.

Don't know how anyone can say this after Perryman had 2 pass break usp and FAU TE's being non factors.

Perryman breaking up two passes means we don't have holes in our hook/curl/slant areas? QB yesterday missed a couple throws in there. With more time and a slightly better QB, those are easy gainers.

I didn't see any wide opened un covered receivers like we've seen last year. Anyhow, no way anyone can't say our LB's can't cover based on yesterdays game. I don't care if their QB missed a "couple" throws in there.
Our biggest liability in terms of pass coverage from the LB spot has been kicked off the team.

I didn't say they "can't cover." I said there are still holes in their drops. If I'm UF, I test hook/curl/slants next week. Hope they do and we're prepared. Last night isn't a great indicator of what a legitimate team - one with a better OL and more accurate QB - can take advantage of. It was also just the first game.

I agree with you that our biggest LB coverage liability is no longer on the team.

 

[MadCane]

Morris's reaction to the second drop is being way overblown.

LOL at the deification of Fisch...there were numerous threads after every game complaining about his play-calling. Now the ND drops are an example of his scheme working but the execution failing, but yesterday's drops don't receive the same spin? And be careful about using his hiring as an NFL coordinator as a sign of his greatness. History is full of examples that contradict that one.

 

[rayray]

you guys really cannot be serious saying that stephen morris is a concern, smh

 

[Ibisuponatime]

Fisch is now an NFL offensive coordinator ... There's a reason for that.

I hate that sort of empty statement. He's an NFL coordinator because a guy he knows well hired him. How many **** hires have been made by NFL teams? About a zillion. Fish was good, but dudes on here have turned him into Bill Walsh when he's not even close.

I don't post often around here, but when I do I usually have at least half a clue.

Having seen fisch's stuff (play books, installs, scripts, game plans, call sheets, etc) I'm more than confident in the level of his material. Doesn't mean he's perfect or didn't have weaknesses, but the quality of his work is the reason he's in the NFL right now.

But I'll happily return to lurking and let the guys in the know like yourself clarify what's fact and fiction.

 

[scrantoncane]

I was never as huge on Morris as many others here were, but I have no problem with my senior QB showing emotion (notwithstanding the fact that I have no idea what he said, but I assuming it was "catch the ******* ball" and not some personal type insult, which would change my opinion).

I know it was FAU, but what if they kept it close or even beat us? Coley dropped 2 sure TDs. I play pickup basketball and people ***** each other out for little stuff.

He apologized when he cooled down, and to me it ended right there. Nothing to see here.

As for James Coley, consider me concerned. There is a difference between "vanilla" (a concept I put very little stock into) and bad play-calling/scheme.

While I love Duke as much as the next guy, and while I generally agree that defense and a solid run based offense win championships, with our team I don't think that is the case because (1) if Duke goes down we are ****ed - can't give him that many touches week after week, so why career high against a BCS team? and (2) Morris is clearly more comfortable in the spread. 2 years as starter in Fisch's system, and he is now a senior with an experienced line, and we totally switch concepts? I dont like it.

 

[The Franchise]

Fisch is now an NFL offensive coordinator ... There's a reason for that.

I hate that sort of empty statement. He's an NFL coordinator because a guy he knows well hired him. How many **** hires have been made by NFL teams? About a zillion. Fish was good, but dudes on here have turned him into Bill Walsh when he's not even close.

I don't post often around here, but when I do I usually have at least half a clue.

Having seen fisch's stuff (play books, installs, scripts, game plans, call sheets, etc) I'm more than confident in the level of his material. Doesn't mean he's perfect or didn't have weaknesses, but the quality of his work is the reason he's in the NFL right now.

But I'll happily return to lurking and let the guys in the know like yourself clarify what's fact and fiction.

Yep. And the quality of Rich Kotite's work is why he was hired a couple times as an NFL HC. You're offering nothing of substance by claiming that the fact he's in the NFL means that he's an excellent OC. It's not proof of that empty assertion at all. Guys slaughter Whipple around these boards all the time and claim he ruined Jacory. He's been a QB corch in the NFL for many years.

 

[The Franchise]

I was never as huge on Morris as many others here were, but I have no problem with my senior QB showing emotion (notwithstanding the fact that I have no idea what he said, but I assuming it was "catch the ****ing ball" and not some personal type insult, which would change my opinion).

I know it was FAU, but what if they kept it close or even beat us? Coley dropped 2 sure TDs. I play pickup basketball and people **** each other out for little stuff.

He apologized when he cooled down, and to me it ended right there. Nothing to see here.

As for James Coley, consider me concerned. There is a difference between "vanilla" (a concept I put very little stock into) and bad play-calling/scheme.

While I love Duke as much as the next guy, and while I generally agree that defense and a solid run based offense win championships, with our team I don't think that is the case because (1) if Duke goes down we are ****ed - can't give him that many touches week after week, so why career high against a BCS team? and (2) Morris is clearly more comfortable in the spread. 2 years as starter in Fisch's system, and he is now a senior with an experienced line, and we totally switch concepts? I dont like it.

You realize we could have named the score last night after the game got out of hand right? Instead, we were playing 2nd and 3rd team guys and we took the air out of the ball. We still wound up with 500 yards and 34 points despite 2 dropped TD passes and 1 TD that wasn't called a TD with Gus.

 

[scrantoncane]

Frachise,

The ability to run up the score against FAU has exactly nothing to do with not liking what I saw from our new OC. And again, I don't believe in the concept that coaches call a ****** game to hide it from the next opponent, but I could be wrong. Personally I feel that concept is a cop-out by kool-aid drinking fans.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

I hope I'm wrong but I'm really not buying the "Coley was holding back" theory. The first play of the game was a flee flicker for crying out loud. Do we really think Florida has never seen a crossing route or quick slant?

 

[The Franchise]

Frachise,

The ability to run up the score against FAU has exactly nothing to do with not liking what I saw from our new OC. And again, I don't believe in the concept that coaches call a ****ty game to hide it from the next opponent, but I could be wrong. Personally I feel that concept is a cop-out by kool-aid drinking fans.

Tell me why he called a ****** game, as you called it. Break it down in detail. I think that usually if you pile up yards and points despite a few lost TDs that you called a pretty good game. Maybe you're one of those scientists, though, who looks at UM football super analytically and can really break down why Coley was ****** yesterday.

 

[Ibisuponatime]

Fisch is now an NFL offensive coordinator ... There's a reason for that.

I hate that sort of empty statement. He's an NFL coordinator because a guy he knows well hired him. How many **** hires have been made by NFL teams? About a zillion. Fish was good, but dudes on here have turned him into Bill Walsh when he's not even close.

I don't post often around here, but when I do I usually have at least half a clue.

Having seen fisch's stuff (play books, installs, scripts, game plans, call sheets, etc) I'm more than confident in the level of his material. Doesn't mean he's perfect or didn't have weaknesses, but the quality of his work is the reason he's in the NFL right now.

But I'll happily return to lurking and let the guys in the know like yourself clarify what's fact and fiction.

Yep. And the quality of Rich Kotite's work is why he was hired a couple times as an NFL HC. You're offering nothing of substance by claiming that the fact he's in the NFL means that he's an excellent OC. It's not proof of that empty assertion at all. Guys slaughter Whipple around these boards all the time and claim he ruined Jacory. He's been a QB corch in the NFL for many years.

Well then let me restate it. IMO Fisch is a high quality coordinator. I base that off the quality of his material that I've seen, the production of his offense, and his ability to coach the QB position. He is an outstanding play designer, and as a couple of our current QBs put it .. A bit of an "evil genius".

You're basing you're opinion off of...?

I'm not trying to hate on Coley at all. I've heard positive things from those close to the program as well, and I hope he is the absolute man as an OC.

But Fisch was a loss, and it leaves a hole for Coley to fill. Having a senior Q that understood Fisch's system as best he could is a big part of that. It's a loss of continuity.

And the NFL argument holds weight regardless of bad hires in the past. It's a professional multi-billion dollar industry that is in the business of hiring the most knowledgeable and talented coaches around. Just like with any business bad hires happen. But you don't get to be an OC in the NFL, one of only 32 such positions in the land, if you're not good at what you do.

And before you come thumping back in here talking about substance, why don't you enlighten all of us with your reasoning for claiming Fisch isn't in fact that great of an OC?

 

[LuCane]

My biggest surprise was the lack of gap scheme runs. I believe I only saw one counter and one true power. I love zone runs, but I like them even more paired with power, so that concerned me a little bit.

I've said in the past a lot of people on here complain that we didn't run enough "downhill" runs last year, but last night was way less gap scheme than at any point last year

All of this. This is all I've talked about all day and all I can say is what I'm hoping: "we're saving it."

 

[The Franchise]

Fisch is now an NFL offensive coordinator ... There's a reason for that.

I hate that sort of empty statement. He's an NFL coordinator because a guy he knows well hired him. How many **** hires have been made by NFL teams? About a zillion. Fish was good, but dudes on here have turned him into Bill Walsh when he's not even close.

I don't post often around here, but when I do I usually have at least half a clue.

Having seen fisch's stuff (play books, installs, scripts, game plans, call sheets, etc) I'm more than confident in the level of his material. Doesn't mean he's perfect or didn't have weaknesses, but the quality of his work is the reason he's in the NFL right now.

But I'll happily return to lurking and let the guys in the know like yourself clarify what's fact and fiction.

Yep. And the quality of Rich Kotite's work is why he was hired a couple times as an NFL HC. You're offering nothing of substance by claiming that the fact he's in the NFL means that he's an excellent OC. It's not proof of that empty assertion at all. Guys slaughter Whipple around these boards all the time and claim he ruined Jacory. He's been a QB corch in the NFL for many years.

Well then let me restate it. IMO Fisch is a high quality coordinator. I base that off the quality of his material that I've seen, the production of his offense, and his ability to coach the QB position. He is an outstanding play designer, and as a couple of our current QBs put it .. A bit of an "evil genius".

You're basing you're opinion off of...?

I'm not trying to hate on Coley at all. I've heard positive things from those close to the program as well, and I hope he is the absolute man as an OC.

But Fisch was a loss, and it leaves a hole for Coley to fill. Having a senior Q that understood Fisch's system as best he could is a big part of that. It's a loss of continuity.

And the NFL argument holds weight regardless of bad hires in the past. It's a professional multi-billion dollar industry that is in the business of hiring the most knowledgeable and talented coaches around. Just like with any business bad hires happen. But you don't get to be an OC in the NFL, one of only 32 such positions in the land, if you're not good at what you do.

And before you come thumping back in here talking about substance, why don't you enlighten all of us with your reasoning for claiming Fisch isn't in fact that great of an OC?

I'm basing my opinion off the results that Fish obtained in his two years here and what I saw with my own eyes. I don't pay attention to the backroom scuttlebutt from fanboys. That's why I said he was good. He did a good job, but he struggled badly to put points up against any good defenses. And he had plenty of talent to work with on that side of the ball.

 

[BlackKeysFan]

Lu, are you going to prepare a report on the defense? if so, thanks in advance.

I had planned on it, but trying to do a project and also lose as much money as possible betting on games today.

The defense played well yesterday. I have a few concerns for UF - mainly some of the holes I still see in coverages. I'm also excited about what Deon Bush would look like doing a lot of what Kacy Rodgers did yesterday.

agreed. our run defense after the first games appears to be better than our pass defense. our LBs cant cover worth a caca.

Don't know how anyone can say this after Perryman had 2 pass break usp and FAU TE's being non factors.

FAU's starting TE was suspended so color me unimpressed that our LB's shut down FAU's second string TE's. Not an adaquate indication of ability.

 

[cane33]

My biggest surprise was the lack of gap scheme runs. I believe I only saw one counter and one true power. I love zone runs, but I like them even more paired with power, so that concerned me a little bit.

I've said in the past a lot of people on here complain that we didn't run enough "downhill" runs last year, but last night was way less gap scheme than at any point last year

All of this. This is all I've talked about all day and all I can say is what I'm hoping: "we're saving it."

I hope so too. But I don't see any point in saving a power run. Like there is nothing complex, or special, or so intricate about power runs right between your guard and center/tackle that it needs to be hidden from an opponent. It's not like you're going to run a power against UF and they're going to be dumbfounded like "where the **** did this come from?" It's a basic football play

 

[The Franchise]

Lu, are you going to prepare a report on the defense? if so, thanks in advance.

I had planned on it, but trying to do a project and also lose as much money as possible betting on games today.

The defense played well yesterday. I have a few concerns for UF - mainly some of the holes I still see in coverages. I'm also excited about what Deon Bush would look like doing a lot of what Kacy Rodgers did yesterday.

agreed. our run defense after the first games appears to be better than our pass defense. our LBs cant cover worth a caca.

Don't know how anyone can say this after Perryman had 2 pass break usp and FAU TE's being non factors.

FAU's starting TE was suspended so color me unimpressed that our LB's shut down FAU's second string TE's. Not an adaquate indication of ability.

So because they shut down the guys who actually played you can't give them credit?

 

[The Franchise]

My biggest surprise was the lack of gap scheme runs. I believe I only saw one counter and one true power. I love zone runs, but I like them even more paired with power, so that concerned me a little bit.

I've said in the past a lot of people on here complain that we didn't run enough "downhill" runs last year, but last night was way less gap scheme than at any point last year

All of this. This is all I've talked about all day and all I can say is what I'm hoping: "we're saving it."

I hope so too. But I don't see any point in saving a power run. Like there is nothing complex, or special, or so intricate about power runs right between your guard and center/tackle that it needs to be hidden from an opponent. It's not like you're going to run a power against UF and they're going to be dumbfounded like "where the **** did this come from?" It's a basic football play

We "hid" that power rush game all last year too.

 

[LuCane]

My biggest surprise was the lack of gap scheme runs. I believe I only saw one counter and one true power. I love zone runs, but I like them even more paired with power, so that concerned me a little bit.

I've said in the past a lot of people on here complain that we didn't run enough "downhill" runs last year, but last night was way less gap scheme than at any point last year

All of this. This is all I've talked about all day and all I can say is what I'm hoping: "we're saving it."

I hope so too. But I don't see any point in saving a power run. Like there is nothing complex, or special, or so intricate about power runs right between your guard and center/tackle that it needs to be hidden from an opponent. It's not like you're going to run a power against UF and they're going to be dumbfounded like "where the **** did this come from?" It's a basic football play

Can't say I disagree. I'm just staying hopeful. Like I said in the original post, I realize how good Duke is in the zone scheme, but it's still nice to see a balance. Plus, our OL is very well suited for the power stuff.

 

[The Franchise]

My biggest surprise was the lack of gap scheme runs. I believe I only saw one counter and one true power. I love zone runs, but I like them even more paired with power, so that concerned me a little bit.

I've said in the past a lot of people on here complain that we didn't run enough "downhill" runs last year, but last night was way less gap scheme than at any point last year

All of this. This is all I've talked about all day and all I can say is what I'm hoping: "we're saving it."

I hope so too. But I don't see any point in saving a power run. Like there is nothing complex, or special, or so intricate about power runs right between your guard and center/tackle that it needs to be hidden from an opponent. It's not like you're going to run a power against UF and they're going to be dumbfounded like "where the **** did this come from?" It's a basic football play

We "hid" that power rush game all last year too.

No we didn't. Power was one of our top run schemes.

Draw plays and outside toss plays are power run schemes?