What I saw and what I think it means for next week - OFFENSE

[CanesAreAble]

Agree with pretty much everything that's been said.

I expect to see Warlord and Sandland get more looks next week. We'll find out how Florida's LBs and Safeties cover. I also think we might see Duke used in the passing game a little bit more.

 

[rsa coral gables]

From listening to the radio on drive over to stadium they said Morris and Coley had to be separated. Sr qb should be trying to build up the freshman wr. Come on.

did you mean before the game? haven't heard that, because that would be a different incident.

regardless, i agree that morris' reaction is a cause for concern. you dont belittle a freshman in his first game. dorsett drops a big pass, that's another story.

 

[rsa coral gables]

how could we have used the middle of field better? WR crossing routes? seam routes by the TEs? WR post patterns?

 

[rsa coral gables]

Lu, are you going to prepare a report on the defense? if so, thanks in advance.

 

[DaU83]

what was Morris' reaction to the first one? did he blow up too? If so, that worries me a bit with how he reacted on the second one. if he didn't, then I'm ok with the reaction. and like someone said, he apparently smoothed it out after the fact.

 

[SFbayCane]

Forget about winning the games because our defense was bad enough to lose game for us but did Fisch ever outscheme a defense with more talent than us to keep us in a game? Virginia Tech in 2011? Maybe. Even then that offense had Lamar, Benjamin and Streeter. Guys who got drafted. Fall in love with him because he isn't Patrick Nix if you want but its not like he was scheming Wake Forest talent into high point totals.

Not trying to balk at your question but, Im not really into breaking stuff down into the micro aspects. It may be a little beyond by capabilities.

That said, Im a big fan of using the marketplace as the best gage of talent. Fisch was an in-demand coordinator who took a promotional job in the NFL. The Cokers, Nix's, Shannon's, et al have yet to find work at the same level as they had at UM.

For me, just watching games it was clear to see that our offense under coach Fisch seemed more productive than before he was here. Any now in one game since, I and some others here are seeing things that concern us.

One man's opinion.

Lu had concerns about Fisch's offense after the game against BC too. He questioned the perimeter approach to the passing game. Not challenging the middle of field. His criticisms aren't all that different.

Fair assessment IMO. Last year my belief was that Stephen Morris had serious limitations and that coach Fisch used the perimeter game to compensate for that. I saw some of the same issues last nite.


/good discussion

 

[bobbydigius]

Fisch has become a legend here and I'm not sure why. He was an above average OC. He wasn't a genius. He contributed to our struggles against superior competition as much as Morris. Could he call a couple more fades to Lockhart in the redzone against FSU? At least Morris has the excuse of not practicing that week because of the ankle.

Completely disagree. Fisch was a top shelf offensive coordinator. We were fortunate to have him.

In the macro picture, this will always be a problem for UM because of our pay structures. We seem to be okay paying good money for a head coach but we still under-pay for coordinators. ITs always going to be a 2-3 revolving door for our coordinators.....unless they suck, then we can keep them forever.

Forget about winning the games because our defense was bad enough to lose game for us but did Fisch ever outscheme a defense with more talent than us to keep us in a game? Virginia Tech in 2011? Maybe. Even then that offense had Lamar, Benjamin and Streeter. Guys who got drafted. Fall in love with him because he isn't Patrick Nix if you want but its not like he was scheming Wake Forest talent into high point totals.

Couple things, in one year he made Jacory look decent, and did overhaul our offense into something more than a jump ball. Second, he didn't jump ship for another college job, he went to the NFL, and the reports thus far are very positive.

He jumped ship to a job where he had an in with the head coach. They spent time in Seattle together. He is an NFL OC so credit is due to him. Being better than Whipple doesn't make you a genius. It makes you competent. The question still remains. When did he on gameday outscheme a more talented defense in his two years here?

I personally think we out schemed most teams on offense, our problem wasn't scheme as much as execution. We had an open shot at a haymaker against ND, but Dorsett dropped the ball multiple times. Next is the legend comment, I wouldn't call him a legend but he was the best OC we have had in God knows how long and that is a fact. Our offense put up crazy numbers last year with what I feel was personnel that was nowhere near as good as most on this site think, outside of Duke obviously. ****, look at our supposed WR corp, that many on here claim is so good, and how a true freshman like Coley, albeit he is a supreme talent, already looks like our best route runner. I think Fisch did a great job with our offense.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

what was Morris' reaction to the first one? did he blow up too? If so, that worries me a bit with how he reacted on the second one. if he didn't, then I'm ok with the reaction. and like someone said, he apparently smoothed it out after the fact.

He didn't react after the 1st one.

I think folks are reading too much into how Morris reacted. Obviously Morris has high expectations not only for himself but also his WR's.
He was frustrated to see WRs he knows are studs and can handle the pressure make those types of mistakes.
You all have to realize that Morris is still evolving as a leader and by no means a finished product. What I like is that he had the self awareness to realize his reaction may have a negative affect on a young WR like Coley and quickly went over to show him support.

 

[JHallCanes]

Fisch was far from perfect but he resurrected Jacory Harris from the ******* dead, and Morris had one of the most prolific seasons in school history despite his flaws.

Say what you want but his body of work speaks for itself, albeit a short amount of time.

 

[LuCane]

Lu, are you going to prepare a report on the defense? if so, thanks in advance.

I had planned on it, but trying to do a project and also lose as much money as possible betting on games today.

The defense played well yesterday. I have a few concerns for UF - mainly some of the holes I still see in coverages. I'm also excited about what Deon Bush would look like doing a lot of what Kacy Rodgers did yesterday.

 

[rsa coral gables]

Lu, are you going to prepare a report on the defense? if so, thanks in advance.

I had planned on it, but trying to do a project and also lose as much money as possible betting on games today.

The defense played well yesterday. I have a few concerns for UF - mainly some of the holes I still see in coverages. I'm also excited about what Deon Bush would look like doing a lot of what Kacy Rodgers did yesterday.

agreed. our run defense after the first games appears to be better than our pass defense. our LBs cant cover worth a caca.

 

[DMoney]

Pure speculation, but I think Morris would have reacted different if it was Dorsett or Waters. Coley is fiery himself and probably would have reacted the same way if a freshman QB was missing him. He's tough enough to handle that kind of criticism, which is why Morris had no reservations ripping into him IMO.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Lu, are you going to prepare a report on the defense? if so, thanks in advance.

I had planned on it, but trying to do a project and also lose as much money as possible betting on games today.

The defense played well yesterday. I have a few concerns for UF - mainly some of the holes I still see in coverages. I'm also excited about what Deon Bush would look like doing a lot of what Kacy Rodgers did yesterday.

agreed. our run defense after the first games appears to be better than our pass defense. our LBs cant cover worth a caca.

Don't know how anyone can say this after Perryman had 2 pass break usp and FAU TE's being non factors.

 

[storm1926]

Al Golden was wound too tight and his players took after him.

 

[LuCane]

Pure speculation, but I think Morris would have reacted different if it was Dorsett or Waters. Coley is fiery himself and probably would have reacted the same way if a freshman QB was missing him. He's tough enough to handle that kind of criticism, which is why Morris had no reservations ripping into him IMO.

One media guy who's dealt with Morris a good amount was outright surprised he reacted that way - regardless of to whom it was directed. Another guy who knows Morris personally claimed (speculated, maybe, I didn't ask) it's because Morris has extremely (he emphasized) high expectations for himself this season.

The concern isn't so much that he reacted or even reacted out of character, but "why" (and if that's a concern for the bumps that will happen this season). What mostly makes me feel better about it, in any case, is that Golden seems to be pretty aware and in control of these "psychological" situations - which is to say he can just talk to Morris and make sure he's prepared for the inevitable ups and downs.

 

[LuCane]

Lu, are you going to prepare a report on the defense? if so, thanks in advance.

I had planned on it, but trying to do a project and also lose as much money as possible betting on games today.

The defense played well yesterday. I have a few concerns for UF - mainly some of the holes I still see in coverages. I'm also excited about what Deon Bush would look like doing a lot of what Kacy Rodgers did yesterday.

agreed. our run defense after the first games appears to be better than our pass defense. our LBs cant cover worth a caca.

Don't know how anyone can say this after Perryman had 2 pass break usp and FAU TE's being non factors.

Perryman breaking up two passes means we don't have holes in our hook/curl/slant areas? QB yesterday missed a couple throws in there. With more time and a slightly better QB, those are easy gainers.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Lu, are you going to prepare a report on the defense? if so, thanks in advance.

I had planned on it, but trying to do a project and also lose as much money as possible betting on games today.

The defense played well yesterday. I have a few concerns for UF - mainly some of the holes I still see in coverages. I'm also excited about what Deon Bush would look like doing a lot of what Kacy Rodgers did yesterday.

agreed. our run defense after the first games appears to be better than our pass defense. our LBs cant cover worth a caca.

Don't know how anyone can say this after Perryman had 2 pass break usp and FAU TE's being non factors.

Perryman breaking up two passes means we don't have holes in our hook/curl/slant areas? QB yesterday missed a couple throws in there. With more time and a slightly better QB, those are easy gainers.

I didn't see any wide opened un covered receivers like we've seen last year. Anyhow, no way anyone can't say our LB's can't cover based on yesterdays game. I don't care if their QB missed a "couple" throws in there.
Our biggest liability in terms of pass coverage from the LB spot has been kicked off the team.
Perryman, Gaines, Armbrister and Kirby are pretty good in coverage.

 

[The Franchise]

I have concerns about Morris frankly. Until I see otherwise I'm of the belief that Fisch was a MAJOR part of what we saw last year. He still looks erratic and frantic to me when forced to progress through his targets. I'm not saying this as if to suggest that he's not solid. But, again, we're going to need him to be outstanding. I'm not sure he's there especially without Fisch.

I'm not sure where they go with SColey but it may not be an experiment to run next week. uF looks physical and solid to me and I don't think we can afford to miss opportunities. I'm all for figuring things out but we have other guys and next week may not be the time.

Fisch has become a legend here and I'm not sure why. He was an above average OC. He wasn't a genius. He contributed to our struggles against superior competition as much as Morris. Could he call a couple more fades to Lockhart in the redzone against FSU? At least Morris has the excuse of not practicing that week because of the ankle.

Completely disagree. Fisch was a top shelf offensive coordinator. We were fortunate to have him.

In the macro picture, this will always be a problem for UM because of our pay structures. We seem to be okay paying good money for a head coach but we still under-pay for coordinators. ITs always going to be a 2-3 revolving door for our coordinators.....unless they suck, then we can keep them forever.

Fish wasn't that great. And no college program is going to hold a coordinator who gets a coordinator offer from the NFL. Has nothing to do with our pay scale.

 

[The Franchise]

I have concerns about Morris frankly. Until I see otherwise I'm of the belief that Fisch was a MAJOR part of what we saw last year. He still looks erratic and frantic to me when forced to progress through his targets. I'm not saying this as if to suggest that he's not solid. But, again, we're going to need him to be outstanding. I'm not sure he's there especially without Fisch.

I'm not sure where they go with SColey but it may not be an experiment to run next week. uF looks physical and solid to me and I don't think we can afford to miss opportunities. I'm all for figuring things out but we have other guys and next week may not be the time.

Fisch has become a legend here and I'm not sure why. He was an above average OC. He wasn't a genius. He contributed to our struggles against superior competition as much as Morris. Could he call a couple more fades to Lockhart in the redzone against FSU? At least Morris has the excuse of not practicing that week because of the ankle.

Completely disagree. Fisch was a top shelf offensive coordinator. We were fortunate to have him.

In the macro picture, this will always be a problem for UM because of our pay structures. We seem to be okay paying good money for a head coach but we still under-pay for coordinators. ITs always going to be a 2-3 revolving door for our coordinators.....unless they suck, then we can keep them forever.

Forget about winning the games because our defense was bad enough to lose game for us but did Fisch ever outscheme a defense with more talent than us to keep us in a game? Virginia Tech in 2011? Maybe. Even then that offense had Lamar, Benjamin and Streeter. Guys who got drafted. Fall in love with him because he isn't Patrick Nix if you want but its not like he was scheming Wake Forest talent into high point totals.

And he got nothing done against defenses.

 

[The Franchise]

Fisch is now an NFL offensive coordinator ... There's a reason for that.

I hate that sort of empty statement. He's an NFL coordinator because a guy he knows well hired him. How many **** hires have been made by NFL teams? About a zillion. Fish was good, but dudes on here have turned him into Bill Walsh when he's not even close.