We're going to have to score 35+ to win this season

[CanesAreAble]

seriously MD how many suspension did we have that game?????? and Japicky made his last encore appearance against BC.

we should pray Morris has a year anything like Harris had last year, and even with 6 suspensions as your excuse, Maryland beat ZERO (0) other D1 schools

keep tryin........

lol keep tryin. good one. im sure morris is praying he has a year like jacory. comic relief on here is great

If you think Harris didn't have a good season @ QB last year, there is no need to carry this lesson any further.

Nope the stats don't lie 9th out of 12 in the acc.. He had a mediocre year. He didn't have a great year. Please don't kid yourself on that argument either.

1 Tajh Boyd, QB CLEM 499 298 59.7 3828 7.7 65 33 12 31 141.2
2 Bryn Renner, QB UNC 350 239 68.3 3086 8.8 75 26 13 26 159.4
3 Mike Glennon, QB NCST 453 283 62.5 3054 6.7 87 31 12 31 136.4
4 Tanner Price, QB WAKE 422 253 60.0 3017 7.1 79 20 6 34 132.8
5 Logan Thomas, QB VT 391 234 59.8 3013 7.7 63 19 10 17 135.5
6 Sean Renfree, QB DUKE 434 282 65.0 2891 6.7 70 13 11 18 125.7
7 Michael Rocco, QB UVA 366 222 60.7 2671 7.3 78 13 12 14 127.1
8 EJ Manuel, QB FSU 311 203 65.3 2666 8.6 68 18 8 33 151.2
9 Jacory Harris, QB MIA 300 195 65.0 2486 8.3 77 20 9 17 150.6
10 Chase Rettig, QB BC 317 170 53.6 1960 6.2 57 12 9 24 112.4

He was 9th in passing yards (and he missed a game).

He was 3rd in efficiency (and maybe even 1st before the BC meltdown).

Jacory had a good year.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Jacory had numbers. Those numbers came from squirts.

We couldn't seem to finish drives even if the other team was on the sidelines. Our linemen were taking turns taking plays off. Everyone was getting pushed around. Everyone was gassed by the fourth quarter.

No defensive backfield. Very few really gave a tinker's ****, and we're fortunate that these "experienced play-makers" left, and took their crappy attitude with them.

If we were fortunate to score 35 points a game, we'd go undefeated, so that's a postulation that should be dismissed.

We can hope, we can *****, we can speculate, and we can analyze. Truth is, they gonna have to play. If they use their heads and have lots of heart, we'll win some games we're not supposed to.

I think we've become too jaded and dismissive as we don't want to get our hopes up again, just to be disappointed.

It will be what it is. Last year was last year.

This is this year, new attitude, new strength, new determination, new skills, new attitude, more competitive.

 

[OkieCane]

seriously MD how many suspension did we have that game?????? and Japicky made his last encore appearance against BC.

we should pray Morris has a year anything like Harris had last year, and even with 6 suspensions as your excuse, Maryland beat ZERO (0) other D1 schools

keep tryin........

lol keep tryin. good one. im sure morris is praying he has a year like jacory. comic relief on here is great

If you think Harris didn't have a good season @ QB last year, there is no need to carry this lesson any further.

Nope the stats don't lie 9th out of 12 in the acc.. He had a mediocre year. He didn't have a great year. Please don't kid yourself on that argument either.

1 Tajh Boyd, QB CLEM 499 298 59.7 3828 7.7 65 33 12 31 141.2
2 Bryn Renner, QB UNC 350 239 68.3 3086 8.8 75 26 13 26 159.4
3 Mike Glennon, QB NCST 453 283 62.5 3054 6.7 87 31 12 31 136.4
4 Tanner Price, QB WAKE 422 253 60.0 3017 7.1 79 20 6 34 132.8
5 Logan Thomas, QB VT 391 234 59.8 3013 7.7 63 19 10 17 135.5
6 Sean Renfree, QB DUKE 434 282 65.0 2891 6.7 70 13 11 18 125.7
7 Michael Rocco, QB UVA 366 222 60.7 2671 7.3 78 13 12 14 127.1
8 EJ Manuel, QB FSU 311 203 65.3 2666 8.6 68 18 8 33 151.2
9 Jacory Harris, QB MIA 300 195 65.0 2486 8.3 77 20 9 17 150.6
10 Chase Rettig, QB BC 317 170 53.6 1960 6.2 57 12 9 24 112.4

You just showed me a list where he was third in the conference in the rating category to prove he had a bad year???

LMAO, OK....... keep tryin

 

[moshated305]

seriously MD how many suspension did we have that game?????? and Japicky made his last encore appearance against BC.

we should pray Morris has a year anything like Harris had last year, and even with 6 suspensions as your excuse, Maryland beat ZERO (0) other D1 schools

keep tryin........

lol keep tryin. good one. im sure morris is praying he has a year like jacory. comic relief on here is great

If you think Harris didn't have a good season @ QB last year, there is no need to carry this lesson any further.

Nope the stats don't lie 9th out of 12 in the acc.. He had a mediocre year. He didn't have a great year. Please don't kid yourself on that argument either.

1 Tajh Boyd, QB CLEM 499 298 59.7 3828 7.7 65 33 12 31 141.2
2 Bryn Renner, QB UNC 350 239 68.3 3086 8.8 75 26 13 26 159.4
3 Mike Glennon, QB NCST 453 283 62.5 3054 6.7 87 31 12 31 136.4
4 Tanner Price, QB WAKE 422 253 60.0 3017 7.1 79 20 6 34 132.8
5 Logan Thomas, QB VT 391 234 59.8 3013 7.7 63 19 10 17 135.5
6 Sean Renfree, QB DUKE 434 282 65.0 2891 6.7 70 13 11 18 125.7
7 Michael Rocco, QB UVA 366 222 60.7 2671 7.3 78 13 12 14 127.1
8 EJ Manuel, QB FSU 311 203 65.3 2666 8.6 68 18 8 33 151.2
9 Jacory Harris, QB MIA 300 195 65.0 2486 8.3 77 20 9 17 150.6
10 Chase Rettig, QB BC 317 170 53.6 1960 6.2 57 12 9 24 112.4

That ranking is based on yards LOL Since when is yards the main barometer of QB play? He threw way fewer passes than many of those ahead of him. Check his QB rating. He was 3rd. Also tied for 3rd in completion percentage.

 

[jhtheking]

seriously MD how many suspension did we have that game?????? and Japicky made his last encore appearance against BC.

we should pray Morris has a year anything like Harris had last year, and even with 6 suspensions as your excuse, Maryland beat ZERO (0) other D1 schools

keep tryin........

lol keep tryin. good one. im sure morris is praying he has a year like jacory. comic relief on here is great

If you think Harris didn't have a good season @ QB last year, there is no need to carry this lesson any further.

Nope the stats don't lie 9th out of 12 in the acc.. He had a mediocre year. He didn't have a great year. Please don't kid yourself on that argument either.

1 Tajh Boyd, QB CLEM 499 298 59.7 3828 7.7 65 33 12 31 141.2
2 Bryn Renner, QB UNC 350 239 68.3 3086 8.8 75 26 13 26 159.4
3 Mike Glennon, QB NCST 453 283 62.5 3054 6.7 87 31 12 31 136.4
4 Tanner Price, QB WAKE 422 253 60.0 3017 7.1 79 20 6 34 132.8
5 Logan Thomas, QB VT 391 234 59.8 3013 7.7 63 19 10 17 135.5
6 Sean Renfree, QB DUKE 434 282 65.0 2891 6.7 70 13 11 18 125.7
7 Michael Rocco, QB UVA 366 222 60.7 2671 7.3 78 13 12 14 127.1
8 EJ Manuel, QB FSU 311 203 65.3 2666 8.6 68 18 8 33 151.2
9 Jacory Harris, QB MIA 300 195 65.0 2486 8.3 77 20 9 17 150.6
10 Chase Rettig, QB BC 317 170 53.6 1960 6.2 57 12 9 24 112.4

Lol is that sorted by total yards? Don't kid yourself he did much better than the year before and was solid. But you're right the Maryland game was because of suspensions and he definitely lost us the BC game.

 

[getcaned]

so the short pass offense we had to run because he proved the two season prior he couldn't do anything else. you say orange i say green. agree to disagree j

jacory im my opinion and MANY other was far from anything but mediocre. His entire career he will be known as an INT machine.

 

[OkieCane]

He averaged 8.3 per completion, third in conference. Did you actually look at the stats you posted?? They actually prove every statement you have made false, and YOU POSTED THEM!!!!


keep tryin........ and thanks for the laughs

 

[stat1124]

I do not see how so many people look at last years performances to base how we will be this year. Our defense and offense had so many COSTLY penalties alone that took us out of games that we should have won. For a bad as we played in alot of the games we lost, we still had chances to win in the end. I think having a more smart and disciplined team is the key to turning two or three of those losses into wins. We were not a horrible team last year, we were a very inconsistent team and that is where the difference is. We will have mistakes this year playing so many young guys but if we have a bad season, it will be from a collection of MEs, developing talent and youth. The first two things we can fix as the season progresses, the youth will have to take care of itself while being thrown into the fire. I don't have the doom and gloom some of my canes brethren have but I do think we will have some ups and downs, but see a better, stronger team this year regardless. You can hear it in the interviews that they coaches have with how all of the kids are approaching this year. How all of the lil things they had to harp on last year is a thing of the past and now the coaches are working on pulling the kids back and focusing more on the football intelligence instead of conditioning and effort. That alone has to give you a bit of optimism.

 

[CanesAreAble]

so the short pass offense we had to run because he proved the two season prior he couldn't do anything else.

Third in the conference in yards/attempt.

Sometimes things aren't what we want them to be.

 

[canescanescanes]

Against the good teams. I see our D struggling mightily...our offense is going to have to pick up the slack or we're going to be in for a long season.

We're 1-2 injuries away from having an awful defense. And it seems like a key guy or two goes down every year no matter what. We have basically no quality depth anywhere on D (except maybe DT):

DE - After Chick and Green we don't have anyone with experience besides Cain (who is injured and played LB last year). Scary thin here.
DT - Have the bodies, but nobody has stood out.
LB - Besides Perryman and maybe Buchanan, we don't have anything but bodies. Gaines and Paul have some experience but they looked awful last year. The rest haven't even seen the field.
CB - Gunter is going to be solid and Howard is going to be a stud, but he's still a true freshman. McGee is serviceable but not much more. Then we have Finnie and a lot of freshman. Crazy thin on experience here.
S - VT is serviceable and Rodgers has shown flashes, but no playmaker here right now. AJ doesn't have the athleticism needed and after him we have true freshmen. Very thin here as well.

Somebody explain to me why I'm wrong so I can feel better about the D this upcoming season...

That's why I said 4-8 is more likely than 8-4, with anywhere from 5-7 to 7-5 being most likely.

 

[CanesAreAble]

We went 6-6 last year and lost 4 games in the last minute.

We're a much improved team this year.

4-8 would be an abomination.

We need to win at least 7.

 

[canescanescanes]

seriously MD how many suspension did we have that game?????? and Japicky made his last encore appearance against BC.

we should pray Morris has a year anything like Harris had last year, and even with 6 suspensions as your excuse, Maryland beat ZERO (0) other D1 schools

keep tryin........

lol keep tryin. good one. im sure morris is praying he has a year like jacory. comic relief on here is great

If you think Harris didn't have a good season @ QB last year, there is no need to carry this lesson any further.

Nope the stats don't lie 9th out of 12 in the acc.. He had a mediocre year. He didn't have a great year. Please don't kid yourself on that argument either.

1 Tajh Boyd, QB CLEM 499 298 59.7 3828 7.7 65 33 12 31 141.2
2 Bryn Renner, QB UNC 350 239 68.3 3086 8.8 75 26 13 26 159.4
3 Mike Glennon, QB NCST 453 283 62.5 3054 6.7 87 31 12 31 136.4
4 Tanner Price, QB WAKE 422 253 60.0 3017 7.1 79 20 6 34 132.8
5 Logan Thomas, QB VT 391 234 59.8 3013 7.7 63 19 10 17 135.5
6 Sean Renfree, QB DUKE 434 282 65.0 2891 6.7 70 13 11 18 125.7
7 Michael Rocco, QB UVA 366 222 60.7 2671 7.3 78 13 12 14 127.1
8 EJ Manuel, QB FSU 311 203 65.3 2666 8.6 68 18 8 33 151.2
9 Jacory Harris, QB MIA 300 195 65.0 2486 8.3 77 20 9 17 150.6
10 Chase Rettig, QB BC 317 170 53.6 1960 6.2 57 12 9 24 112.4

Uh, if you want to talk about conference, then use conference games! And let's sort by passer rating, not by yards!


Name Team Yr Pos G Att Comp Pct. Yards Yards/Att TD Int Rating Att/G Yards/G
1 EJ Manuel FSU JR QB 7 179 118 65.9 1686 9.4 10 4 159.01 25.6 240.9
2 Jacory Harris Miami (Fl) SR QB 8 194 119 61.3 1657 8.5 14 6 150.70 24.3 207.1
3 Bryn Renner N Carolina SO QB 8 221 145 65.6 1811 8.2 15 8 149.61 27.6 226.4
4 Tajh Boyd Clemson SO QB 9 323 195 60.4 2584 8.0 20 8 143.05 35.9 287.1
5 Logan Thomas Va Tech SO QB 9 258 155 60.1 2038 7.9 15 5 141.74 28.7 226.4
6 Tanner Price Wk Forest SO QB 8 255 157 61.6 1889 7.4 13 6 135.91 31.9 236.1
7 Michael Rocco Virginia SO QB 8 213 124 58.2 1614 7.6 10 6 131.73 26.6 201.8
8 Mike Glennon NC State SR QB 8 297 182 61.3 1782 6.0 17 9 124.51 37.1 222.8
9 Sean Renfree Duke JR QB 8 300 190 63.3 1889 6.3 11 10 121.65 37.5 236.1
10 Chase Rettig BC SO QB 8 190 104 54.7 1167 6.1 8 6 113.91 23.8 145.9
11 C.J. Brown Maryland SO QB 7 149 70 47.0 699 4.7 6 6 91.62 21.3 99.9

http://www.cfbstats.com/2011/leader/821/player/split07/category02/sort02.html

 

[JHallCanes]

Boy this thread derailed.

Stats be damned Jacory had a pretty decent year last year. Lots of ups and downs. Thing is it was maddening the amount of plays week in and week out that he missed.

I'm not Morris' biggest fan but he can definitely have a better year than Jacory did IMO, because I think he will buy into Fisch more than Jacory could in a short time.

 

[pcitycane]

so the short pass offense we had to run because he proved the two season prior he couldn't do anything else. you say orange i say green. agree to disagree j

jacory im my opinion and MANY other was far from anything but mediocre. His entire career he will be known as an INT machine.

For real? Did you miss jacorys soph year? He put up good numbers then too and it was all downfield throws. Not making excuses for him, but the picture you paint isn't accurate. He was a gunslinger as a soph, gunslinger as a junior with a ton of picks, and conservative as a senior.

 

[GhostofVenice01]

Our D will be better this year. Were stronger and better conditioned. That alone will win us an extra game or two

 

[CaneAlmighty]

We lost game to Maryland and BC last year, not sure we have room to give other teams crap for who they struggle to beat.

8 wins would be a miracle

seriously MD how many suspension did we have that game?????? and Japicky made his last encore appearance against BC.

we should pray Morris has a year anything like Harris had last year, and even with 6 suspensions as your excuse, Maryland beat ZERO (0) other D1 schools

keep tryin........

what does this have to do with losing the BC game because of Jacory's 4 INTS?

 

[NorthFlaCane]

There were plenty of games in the 2nd half of the season where the offense couldn't do a thing and we lost as a result.

Of course there's BC, but don't forget Virginia where we scored right away, then didn't do jackcrap until the end. Same with FSU.

 

[CanesFan93]

Don't see many teams on the schedule able to put up 30+ for Miami to have to score 35+. NCSt because of Glennon, FSU if they can establish a running game, KState, and maybe VT.

 

[Greentree MVP]

This team is an unknown commodity at this point. There are too many questions to say "we need to do this or we need to do that".

Truth is, no one really knows what to expect until 9/1.

How big of an impact will the departed players be? Addition by subtraction vs loss of experience

How quickly can the younger players get adjusted to the college game?

How well does our OL do? A strong running game and sustained drives is a huge help to the defense.

These are just a few of the many questions that we have about this team. No one at this time can even say what our defensive identity is going to be let alone say that we need to score 35+ points a game to win.

 

[Marcelo2988]

Maybe we won't have an old school nasty canes defense, but I at least expect some improvement from last season based on being in year 2 of that system. Also like others have noted, our players are bigger and more physical now and may be ready to take the next step in their developments.