We need a change at DC. Sorry but this is inexcusable...

[BigCaneAl]

The fundamental problem is that even given talent I have no faith they would be utilized correctly. This defense is terrible, and its not relative to the talent level, no matter how bad you think it is. So, what....put the 2001 defense out there and we are 50th in the nation?

There is a disconnect somewhere and it's on Golden to fix this.

 

[SniperCane]

Any fan with eyes can see this **** isn't working. Davis fired Miller for a better defense. Not that that should be our sole reference, but this is business and as a true CEO, Golden needs to take stock and make the proper, if rough decisions

 

[AzureCane]

Get rid of this guy!!!!!!!! Y are we plying 7-10 yards off the recevers? They just run 7 yard combacks.
They might be young but they have talent. This D is the worst ever!!!! The dline sucks!!!!!! I am ****ed off at Donfario this is unacceptable!!!!!!!!!!

the DL sucks because we are giving up 20-30 lbs on the average. thats why we are getting manhandled. we have gusy like chick, mccord, green and cain playing DE who all weigh no more than like 265, we have olsen pierre and luther playing inside and they are both like 290. if you cant understand why we are getting our asses kicked up front on defense, then Im not sure what else I can say.

 

[AzureCane]

I absolutely think Franklin is gone after this season. Unless there is a DRAMATIC turnaround, Golden is going to HAVE to do something.

I dont think some of you cats realize just how BAD this defense is. If not for the offense pulling out some miracles, and the 4-5 turnovers we got against BC, we could be 1-5 right now. The only game we have won solidly was Bethune. Tonight was just astounding. These guys just ran the same play against us, over and over and over again. 375 yards of RUSHING. IN ONE GAME. And its NOT just today. Its been all year. Are you going to tell me that with all the kids we have recruited in the last few years that we should have a worse defense than FIU, Ball State, Toledo, Akron, New Mexico??? We were 114 out of 120 BEFORE tonight. Think about THAT.

franklin isnt going anywhere after this season. see my previous thread for reasons why it isnt his fault either

id like to challenge all of the unemployed qualified DCs on this site to tell us what you would do differently with a group of young and undersized DL that would make a difference.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

Any fan with eyes can see this **** isn't working. Davis fired Miller for a better defense. Not that that should be our sole reference, but this is business and as a true CEO, Golden needs to take stock and make the proper, if rough decisions

Exactly. This isnt small time sh*t anymore. This is the big leagues. If Al wants to be successful and coach at this level, then he's going to have to make the tough decisions. This is simply unacceptable under ANY possible scenario. This is, without question, the WORST defense we have fielded in well over 30 years.

 

[BigCaneAl]

Get rid of this guy!!!!!!!! Y are we plying 7-10 yards off the recevers? They just run 7 yard combacks.
They might be young but they have talent. This D is the worst ever!!!! The dline sucks!!!!!! I am ****ed off at Donfario this is unacceptable!!!!!!!!!!

the DL sucks because we are giving up 20-30 lbs on the average. thats why we are getting manhandled. we have gusy like chick, mccord, green and cain playing DE who all weigh no more than like 265, we have olsen pierre and luther playing inside and they are both like 290. if you cant understand why we are getting our asses kicked up front on defense, then Im not sure what else I can say.

Really? Our DTs are too light...lighter than 119 other FBS schools? I suggest you look up what some non-BCS schools trot out on the DL. Being only 290 is no excuse.

 

[ssj4cane]

You can't be the worst defense in CFB and keep your job no matter what the reasons. I would still be shocked if he fired him though. He gave up the Temple job to follow Al here.

 

[CaneShades]

Im tired of excuses about are dline!!!!!! They suck!!!!!

 

[CANE4LIFE]

Get rid of this guy!!!!!!!! Y are we plying 7-10 yards off the recevers? They just run 7 yard combacks.
They might be young but they have talent. This D is the worst ever!!!! The dline sucks!!!!!! I am ****ed off at Donfario this is unacceptable!!!!!!!!!!

the DL sucks because we are giving up 20-30 lbs on the average. thats why we are getting manhandled. we have gusy like chick, mccord, green and cain playing DE who all weigh no more than like 265, we have olsen pierre and luther playing inside and they are both like 290. if you cant understand why we are getting our asses kicked up front on defense, then Im not sure what else I can say.

Really? Our DTs are too light...lighter than 119 other FBS schools? I suggest you look up what some non-BCS schools trot out on the DL. Being only 290 is no excuse.

Thank You. None of the guys in our rotation are under 290, and Olsen Pierre is close to 300, and Darius Smith is well over 300. We had years here where we had to field guys at DT who were playing at 270 and did better than this, against 300 pound OLs. And AGAIN, I have no doubt that we are young, inexperience, thin, and just all around s*cking @ss at DL, but worse than 119 other programs in Division I? I dont think so.

 

[blackvern]

The fundamental problem is that even given talent I have no faith they would be utilized correctly. This defense is terrible, and its not relative to the talent level, no matter how bad you think it is. So, what....put the 2001 defense out there and we are 50th in the nation?

There is a disconnect somewhere and it's on Golden to fix this.

PReach the truth

 

[AzureCane]

Get rid of this guy!!!!!!!! Y are we plying 7-10 yards off the recevers? They just run 7 yard combacks.
They might be young but they have talent. This D is the worst ever!!!! The dline sucks!!!!!! I am ****ed off at Donfario this is unacceptable!!!!!!!!!!

the DL sucks because we are giving up 20-30 lbs on the average. thats why we are getting manhandled. we have gusy like chick, mccord, green and cain playing DE who all weigh no more than like 265, we have olsen pierre and luther playing inside and they are both like 290. if you cant understand why we are getting our asses kicked up front on defense, then Im not sure what else I can say.

Really? Our DTs are too light...lighter than 119 other FBS schools? I suggest you look up what some non-BCS schools trot out on the DL. Being only 290 is no excuse.

what other non-BCS teams or even ACC teams play a rotation of DTs that average less than like 300 and a rotation of DEs that average less than 265?

 

[weownfsu]

The defense plays standing still. There's things wrong that aren't talent. I'm okay with untalented guys running head first and failing. But instead, these guys stand there, and then fall down in the opposite direction of the ball carrier. They play on their heels.

 

[AzureCane]

The defense plays standing still. There's things wrong that aren't talent. I'm okay with untalented guys running head first and failing. But instead, these guys stand there, and then fall down in the opposite direction of the ball carrier. They play on their heels.

they play on their heels because they get blown off the ball

 

[Big Sky Cane]

I absolutely think Franklin is gone after this season. Unless there is a DRAMATIC turnaround, Golden is going to HAVE to do something.

I dont think some of you cats realize just how BAD this defense is. If not for the offense pulling out some miracles, and the 4-5 turnovers we got against BC, we could be 1-5 right now. The only game we have won solidly was Bethune. Tonight was just astounding. These guys just ran the same play against us, over and over and over again. 375 yards of RUSHING. IN ONE GAME. And its NOT just today. Its been all year. Are you going to tell me that with all the kids we have recruited in the last few years that we should have a worse defense than FIU, Ball State, Toledo, Akron, New Mexico??? We were 114 out of 120 BEFORE tonight. Think about THAT.

And you think that's scheme? Sorry....but that is personnel.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

Get rid of this guy!!!!!!!! Y are we plying 7-10 yards off the recevers? They just run 7 yard combacks.
They might be young but they have talent. This D is the worst ever!!!! The dline sucks!!!!!! I am ****ed off at Donfario this is unacceptable!!!!!!!!!!

the DL sucks because we are giving up 20-30 lbs on the average. thats why we are getting manhandled. we have gusy like chick, mccord, green and cain playing DE who all weigh no more than like 265, we have olsen pierre and luther playing inside and they are both like 290. if you cant understand why we are getting our asses kicked up front on defense, then Im not sure what else I can say.

Really? Our DTs are too light...lighter than 119 other FBS schools? I suggest you look up what some non-BCS schools trot out on the DL. Being only 290 is no excuse.

what other non-BCS teams or even ACC teams play a rotation of DTs that average less than like 300 and a rotation of DEs that average less than 265?

Took me about 5 minutes to find out that FIU, Ball State, and Akron have at most 1 DT that even hit 300. And how many of those guys do you think were rated 4 star blue chippers coming out of HS? How many of those defenses have the speed or talent we have? Come on buddy.

 

[Insanecane]

Azure is talking out of his ***, we have better players than 50% of other school son our D-line. The difference then is coaching. Or in our case, lack thereof.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

We were literally getting knocked off the ball 5 yards every play and when they were in position to make a play they got juked out of their ***.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

I absolutely think Franklin is gone after this season. Unless there is a DRAMATIC turnaround, Golden is going to HAVE to do something.

I dont think some of you cats realize just how BAD this defense is. If not for the offense pulling out some miracles, and the 4-5 turnovers we got against BC, we could be 1-5 right now. The only game we have won solidly was Bethune. Tonight was just astounding. These guys just ran the same play against us, over and over and over again. 375 yards of RUSHING. IN ONE GAME. And its NOT just today. Its been all year. Are you going to tell me that with all the kids we have recruited in the last few years that we should have a worse defense than FIU, Ball State, Toledo, Akron, New Mexico??? We were 114 out of 120 BEFORE tonight. Think about THAT.

And you think that's scheme? Sorry....but that is personnel.

Oh its not just the scheme. These guys arent being taught sh*t. I think the technique along the DL is attrocious. The Lbs are slow to react, but its also VERY MUCH the scheme. Why the F*CK are the DBs so far off the ball, consistently. I took til the FOURTH F*CKING QUARTER before he slid a LB outside of Chick to stop them running the same sweep to the outside for the 50th time. The guy refuses to play man no matter how bad we are getting crushed. If you cant even slow them down, stack the F*CKING BOX. MAKE them beat you through the air. There is NO F*CKING reason a team should EVER rush 375 against you. That is a DISGRACE, and a sign you have utterly FAILED at your job.

 

[AzureCane]

Get rid of this guy!!!!!!!! Y are we plying 7-10 yards off the recevers? They just run 7 yard combacks.
They might be young but they have talent. This D is the worst ever!!!! The dline sucks!!!!!! I am ****ed off at Donfario this is unacceptable!!!!!!!!!!

the DL sucks because we are giving up 20-30 lbs on the average. thats why we are getting manhandled. we have gusy like chick, mccord, green and cain playing DE who all weigh no more than like 265, we have olsen pierre and luther playing inside and they are both like 290. if you cant understand why we are getting our asses kicked up front on defense, then Im not sure what else I can say.

Really? Our DTs are too light...lighter than 119 other FBS schools? I suggest you look up what some non-BCS schools trot out on the DL. Being only 290 is no excuse.

what other non-BCS teams or even ACC teams play a rotation of DTs that average less than like 300 and a rotation of DEs that average less than 265?

Took me about 5 minutes to find out that FIU, Ball State, and Akron have at most 1 DT that even hit 300. And how many of those guys do you think were rated 4 star blue chippers coming out of HS? How many of those defenses have the speed or talent we have? Come on buddy.

the bottom line is that we arent a non-BCS team, how many teams to FIU, ball state and akron play that have an OL like ND does? how many teams do they play that have an OL like most of the teams in the ACC that we play? now how many BCS teams have a rotation of DTs that average less than 300 and DEs that are less than 265?

this is one of the pitfall of a defense that has to rely on so many kids that would be best served by a RS year and then at least 1 more year in the weight room and not on the field. the bottom line is that we are counting on too many kids that we shouldnt be counting on because they simply arent physically ready to be playing, but we have no other choice.

 

[Dghustla]

So your trying to convince us that Duke, ISU, Ball State, UCF, Wake Forrest ( I could go on for at least another 50 schools) have better Dline talent than we do? I'm not calling for Coach D's head but at some point he has to adapte to the players he has. It's hard for me to believe that our strategy is to give up 500yrds a game for the next 2 years and say the players dont fit the scheme until chick is a SR and he's surrounded by other SRs and JRs.