"We aint got no money "

Compared to Clemson's $76.3 million (2021)? Or even a 6-year average of $60 million per annum?

Yeah, $11 million is pretty fvckin' low.

Our OPERATING deficit to Clemson may be $4 million per year, but our FUND-RAISING deficit is at least $50 million...PER YEAR.

Remind me again how much the IPF cost? In just ONE YEAR, Clemson's IPTAY surplus could have built Miami's IPF. Think about that ****e. Every single year, Clemson out-fund-raises us by at least one IPF.

Ohhh, but we should keep Beta Blake because he's such a goooooood fund-raiser...

Imma personally nickname u Tick-TOC b/c u’re always laying the boom on us w/ ur info as to the inner workings being an alum.

OK, we all know Miami is a small, private school, while Clemson is a state school. We also know that So Fla is teeming w/ billionaires & successful multi millionaire businessmen/women. The States of NC & SC? Not so much.

The fact is ppl love to be around winners. It’s no coincidence that as Clemson started to rise in CFB power, that all of sudden, $$$$ started flowing in from booster fund raising. As I’ve said before, just knowing what I know from The Nike debacle & the monies offered to us from Adidas vs what they paid their other P5 schools, I can’t imagine how much $$$$ Blake has bled on the back end from his incompetence.

I would assume that if Miami stayed the course of its winning ways in both football & baseball, alone, the amount of donations flooding in, along w/ other ancillary revenue would be in the top 15 in the country, despite its size.
 
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Spot on. This is what you get from a 23K enrollment vice 11K and a South Carolina fan base with the only game in town is Clemson or South Carolina. The latter has not been competitive in the SEC maybe ever. And Miami is competing with pro sports.


Fair points. If IPTAY brought in 2x what HC brings in, then I'd cite "enrollment". But they bring in SIX TIMES what Miami brings in. And I don't think it's all about pro sports.

We have six, MAYBE 7 home games per year. Stadium capacity has been reduced to 65K. Most games on Saturday. There stuff about "pro sports" is overblown. I understand hoops not selling out, but football is just nutty.
 
I also feel like many of u who have the “bagmen” theory, the “broke” theory, the “alumni base” theory, the “cheap fans” theory are keeping ur head buried in the sand b/c it’s easier to do that, use excuses as to y we’re at this point, and blame the outside vs. accepting the fact that this University is to blame for its own undoing.

Also, pls stop using student enrollment as a gage. Fact is, most contributors to Universities are indeed not alums.
 
Imma personally nickname u Tick-TOC b/c u’re always laying the boom on us w/ ur info as to the inner workings being an alum.

OK, we all know Miami is a small, private school, while Clemson is a state school. We also know that So Fla is teeming w/ billionaires & successful multi millionaire businessmen/women. State of NC? Not so much.

The fact is ppl love to be around winners. It’s no coincidence that as Clemson started to rise in CFB power, that all of sudden, $$$$ started flowing in from booster fund raising. As I’ve said before, just knowing what I know from The Nike debacle & the monies offered to us from Adidas vs what they paid their other P5 schools, I can’t imagine how much $$$$ Blake has bled on the back end from his incompetence.

I would assume that if Miami stayed the course of its winning ways in both football & baseball, alone, the amount of donations flooding in, along w/ other ancillary revenue would be in the top 15 in the country, despite its size.


It's even worse, Clemson is in SC, not even NC.

UM's focus on "big-donors" is misplaced. We need to broaden our donor AND ticket-holder base.
 
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Fair points. If IPTAY brought in 2x what HC brings in, then I'd cite "enrollment". But they bring in SIX TIMES what Miami brings in. And I don't think it's all about pro sports.

We have six, MAYBE 7 home games per year. Stadium capacity has been reduced to 65K. Most games on Saturday. There stuff about "pro sports" is overblown. I understand hoops not selling out, but football is just nutty.
If It’s an event people will show up. Miami isn’t a sports team it’s an event town. Most games aren’t events even if we were good
 
I also feel like many of u who have the “bagmen” theory, the “broke” theory, the “alumni base” theory, the “cheap fans” theory are keeping ur head buried in the sand b/c it’s easier to do that, use excuses as to y we’re at this point, and blame the outside vs. accepting the fact that this University is to blame for its own undoing.

Also, pls stop using student enrollment as a gage. Fact is, most contributors to Universities are indeed not alums.


This is the part that is infuriating. Because the concept of "big-game hunting" for donors means that UM tends to ignore alums.

Pre-COVID, I was at an Orlando Alumni Association function (UM-UiF game, and @SWFLHurricane was there too), and I remember talking to some of the "younger" alums who never had the privilege of seeing UM win a national championship. MULTIPLE people told me they were way too busy working/paying what are (now) massive student loans, and they didn't want to spend the time or pay the money to be as active.

Every year that Beta Blake remains in charge is another year's worth of alienation to young alums.

UM alums of the 80s/90s are completely different from the UM alums of the past 15 years, at least as it relates to UM football support.
 
If It’s an event people will show up. Miami isn’t a sports team it’s an event town. Most games aren’t events even if we were good


Fair enough. And a couple of months ago, in a "What can we do" thread, I proposed multiple ideas for what UM can do to turn our football games into more of a fan-friendly and family-friendly "event" situation. Multiple porsters chose to vent their personal feelings of inferiority towards me instead of engaging in a meaningful conversation. Oh, and this was BEFORE the "Green Lot" debacle.

Beta Blake is simply the wrong AD to lead Miami.
 
This is the part that is infuriating. Because the concept of "big-game hunting" for donors means that UM tends to ignore alums.

Pre-COVID, I was at an Orlando Alumni Association function (UM-UiF game, and @SWFLHurricane was there too), and I remember talking to some of the "younger" alums who never had the privilege of seeing UM win a national championship. MULTIPLE people told me they were way too busy working/paying what are (now) massive student loans, and they didn't want to spend the time or pay the money to be as active.

Every year that Beta Blake remains in charge is another year's worth of alienation to young alums.

UM alums of the 80s/90s are completely different from the UM alums of the past 15 years, at least as it relates to UM football support.
THANK YOU!! Tic-TOC, boom!

It’s getting harder & harder for the admin to hide behind excuses. What’s tuition now at Miami? Like $54k/yr more or less, not including room & board?

So u want these kids who have never seen Miami in the light that older ones have, to turn around & contribute to a program that’s substandard?? Lol.
 
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THANK YOU!! Tic-TOC, boom!

It’s getting harder & harder for the admin to hide behind excuses. What’s tuition now at Miami? Like $54k/yr more or less, not including room & board?

So u want these kids who have never seen Miami in the light that older ones have, to turn around & contribute to a program that’s substandard?? Lol.


Completely agree. I think you're starting to realize how much I love my alma mater, as well as how infuriating it can be to do so.

For the record, my first-year tuition at UM (1986) was approximately $8,800.

Has the cost of ANYTHING in this country multiplied 6x in 35 years?



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1. Thanks for the biographical info on the newspaper, which I never mentioned.
2. I never said the author was a Ped State grad. I said he was the Ped State writer. Which, again, is accurate.
3. Thanks for the condescending lesson on libel vs. slander. It's as if I never got that A in Dignitary Torts. I should go yell at Katie Sowle. At any rate, I usually use the word "slander" with non-attorneys because it is a more familiar and well-known term. Plus, this: "Libel and slander are now treated alike and the same rules apply to a defamatory statement regardless of whether the statement is written or oral." But, hey, thanks for acting as if there was any sort of meaningful difference upon which you should lecture me. As for defamation, whether it is written or oral, you clearly don't know the elements of the tort, and I highly doubt that some ****-ant writer from some ****e-bag newspaper (hey, first published in 1854!!!) has caused Miami any damages.
4. Obvious. Sure. You should contact the school's legal department and get them to sue RSM McGladrey. But, hey, this intrepid reporter has obviously discovered MULTIPLE instances of "book-cooking", so it MUUUUST be true. Again, you fail to address why you feel that "revenue" was the "cooked" number, you were too busy getting huffy and lecturing me on "slander vs. libel".
5. I said nothing about a "requirement" to publicize the numbers, but the numbers have, indeed, been publicized. If you feel that UM has publicized fake numbers, again, you should contact the university's legal counsel.

Oh, but I see you are whining NOT about financial statements, but about an "EADA survey". Even more amusing, is the fact that you cut-and-pasted the following:

"For purposes of this survey, reported revenues must always equal or exceed reported expenses, otherwise the survey cannot be finalized, or “locked out” in the system."

So, to sum up, it is possible for revenue and expense to be EQUAL, even though you claimed that this was statistically impossible. Oh, but what about a situation where Expenses EXCEED Revenue? Thus, the "survey cannot be finalized" or "locked out in the system". Now, I'm not a math expert (I am), but is it POSSSSSIBLE that Miami reduced the Expenses to EQUAL Revenue, so that the report could be submitted?

Ohhhh...guess you didn't think of THAT one. But, sure, the "books are cooked".

Thanks for handing me the cut-paste evidence to hoist you by your own petard.

1. I posted the biographical info on the newspaper to show that the author was publishing for a newspaper's online site. If the newspaper allowed the author to knowingly post false information, it could be sued. They have a very significant financial interest to prevent any of their writers from committing libel. Here's what you said:

"'Cooked its books" is both false and downright slanderous. By the Ped State writer, of course."

False and slanderous? You are clearly accusing the author of defaming the university.

2. I assumed you were insinuating the Ped State writer was a PSU grad and trying to defame the university... because he's got something against Miami, FSU, and Rutgers, I guess? It is such a weird comment that it makes no sense. Ok so he's the beatwriter for Penn State. That gives him motivation to defame Miami, Rutgers, and FSU and put his employer's finances and reputation at stake? Here's what the author said in terms of cooking the books, which he led off with Rutgers.

"RU is one of 3 football programs in the data that appears to have cooked its books, presumably in order to not register a deficit."

It's not defamation (knowingly or unknowingly) because the three schools almost certainly cooked the books to not register a deficit since the rules for EADA say they can't have a net negative. If the true revenue number is $40 million and expenses are $60 million, the school HAS to report revenue as at least $60 million because revenue has to be at least as much as expenses in EADA report.

3. Oh you used "slander" instead of "libel" for the benefit of pea-brain site members who can't understand those fancy legal words. Sure you did.

4. You keep making the same mistake over and over again assuming the EADA report was prepared by an accounting firm (and extra points for name dropping the accounting firm, gives you real cred when you pretend to know what you are talking about). It's not an official accounting document. One more time- EADA reports are not an official accounting document. It's just a report from the Athletics Dept business office. You can go look up the report on the EADA website and see who prepared it.

I tell you what, let's make a bet- if you find anything that shows any accounting firm prepared UM's EADA report, I"ll take a 1 yr account ban. I won't ask you to put your account on the line.

5. Nice strawman argument. The real profit/loss statements for the university have not been published. Public universities have to provide a detailed accounting of all revenues and expenses because the are government institutions. Private universities do not have to publicly report their finances and most don't.

This should be layup if you say the real expense numbers have been published: what did UM officially disclose as Mark Richt's new salary after his 2018 contract extension? Go ahead and try to find it. I'll wait.

"So, to sum up, it is possible for revenue and expense to be EQUAL, even though you claimed that this was statistically impossible."

In EADA statements? Sure, you'll see that all the time in EADA reports. And those are almost certainly not the real financial figures being reported to the IRS. Any university that has revenue less than expenses is going to report revenue and expenses as equal (totaling zero) in its EADA report because that is an EADA requirement. EADA reports are basically useless for getting real data on private schools. For public schools they might be more accurate because it is easy to cross reference with the financial statements that are published by state law and fabrications would be obvious.

If you were to somehow get a look at the financial information provided to the IRS, it is a near statistically impossibility that Miami's net for the year would equal exactly zero. Just use some simple logic if you are capable of it: if you added up all the true revenue from parking lot fees, ticket sales, acc distribution, etc and then subtracted all the true expenses for new buildings, scholarships, coaching salaries, office supply expenses etc., what do you think are the chances that all those revenue amounts and expenses would total exactly zero?

Oh, but what about a situation where Expenses EXCEED Revenue? Thus, the "survey cannot be finalized" or "locked out in the system". Now, I'm not a math expert (I am), but is it POSSSSSIBLE that Miami reduced the Expenses to EQUAL Revenue, so that the report could be submitted?

Yes, it is possible Miami reduced the actual expenses to equal revenue. Or inversely (and more likely), Miami inflated revenue to equal expenses for purposes of the EADA report.

Why would they choose to inflate revenue to equal zero instead of reduce expenses? Because the point of the EADA is to show prospective students how much the university is committed to providing equitable athletic opportunities for its men and women students. The biggest expense number, by far, in the EADA report is athletic scholarships. It would be self-sabotage to reduce the scholarship numbers because then it would look like the university isn't providing athletic opportunities (when schools have been sued over EADA reports, it for vastly overinflating the scholarship numbers, not the other way around). They could also artificially reduce the expenses for travel, coaching etc (the other significant expense categories) but again, if they showed a low number on the EADA in the categories, people would ask "why aren't you spending more on coaches and travel.' It makes no sense to show a reduction in expenses. If the school has 60 million in expenses and 40 million in revenue, it would be beyond stupid for them to report 40 million in expenses just to make revenue match expenses. It would make the school look like it's not providing students with as many opportunities as other schools by comparison. Conversely if the expenses are $60 million and revenues are $40 million, the school will just say it made $60 million in revenue. It's a fake number just like the reduced expenditure number, but it is better to look like you are spending more. One way or another it is cooking the books.


" is it POSSSSSIBLE that Miami reduced the Expenses to EQUAL Revenue, so that the report could be submitted?

So you are asking if it is possible they cooked the books in the opposite direction to be able to submit the report? Sure. And btw thanks for admitting the school POSSSSBILLLY cooked the books.

Note: I went back and edited my post to take out the insults as you seem like a decent guy. Anyways, your turn.
 
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This is the part that is infuriating. Because the concept of "big-game hunting" for donors means that UM tends to ignore alums.

Pre-COVID, I was at an Orlando Alumni Association function (UM-UiF game, and @SWFLHurricane was there too), and I remember talking to some of the "younger" alums who never had the privilege of seeing UM win a national championship. MULTIPLE people told me they were way too busy working/paying what are (now) massive student loans, and they didn't want to spend the time or pay the money to be as active.

Every year that Beta Blake remains in charge is another year's worth of alienation to young alums.

UM alums of the 80s/90s are completely different from the UM alums of the past 15 years, at least as it relates to UM football support.
I remember that vividly...
 
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Everyone says BJ is such a great fundraiser….where’s all t he money? If I recall, MR gave his own mil fir the indoor while the team begged fans and BoT for funds. Not even sure if it’s paid for yet. Didn’t we have to wait till last year to put on some finishing touches because we didn’t have the funds. IMO BJ sucks at everything associated w the position
 
1. I posted the biographical info on the newspaper to show that the author was publishing for a newspaper's online site. If the newspaper allowed the author to knowingly post false information, it could be sued. They have a very significant financial interest to prevent any of their writers from committing libel. Here's what you said:

"'Cooked its books" is both false and downright slanderous. By the Ped State writer, of course."

False and slanderous? You are clearly accusing the author of defaming the university.

2. I assumed you were insinuating the Ped State writer was a PSU grad and trying to defame the university... because he's got something against Miami, FSU, and Rutgers, I guess? It is such a bizarrely irrelevant comment that it makes no sense. Ok so he's the beatwriter for Penn State. That gives him motivation to defame Miami, Rutgers, and FSU and put his employer's finances and reputation at stake? What a silly comment. Here's what the author said in terms of cooking the books, which he led off with Rutgers.

"RU is one of 3 football programs in the data that appears to have cooked its books, presumably in order to not register a deficit."

It's not defamation (knowingly or unknowingly) because the three schools almost certainly cooked the books to not register a deficit since the rules for EADA say they can't have a net negative. If the true revenue number is $40 million and expenses are $60 million, the school HAS to report revenue as at least $60 million because revenue has to be at least as much as expenses in EADA report.

3. Oh you used "slander" instead of "libel" for the benefit of pea-brain site members who can't understand those fancy legal words. Sure you did. Just take your L.

4. You keep making the same mistake over and over again assuming the EADA report was prepared by an accounting firm (and extra points for name dropping the accounting firm, gives you real cred when you pretend to know what you are talking about). It's not an official accounting document. One more time- EADA reports are not an official accounting document. It's just a report from the Athletics Dept business office. You can go look up the report on the EADA website and see who prepared it.

I tell you what, let's make a bet- if you find anything that shows any accounting firm prepared UM's EADA report, I"ll take a 1 yr account ban. I won't ask you to put your account on the line because I know you don't have the stones.

5. Nice strawman argument. The real profit/loss statements for the university have not been published. Public universities have to provide a detailed accounting of all revenues and expenses because the are government institutions. Private universities do not have to publicly report their finances and most don't.

This should be layup if you say the real expense numbers have been published: what did UM officially disclose as Mark Richt's new salary after his 2018 contract extension? Go ahead and try to find it. I'll wait.

"So, to sum up, it is possible for revenue and expense to be EQUAL, even though you claimed that this was statistically impossible."

In EADA statements? Sure, you'll see that all the time in EADA reports. And those are almost certainly not the real financial figures being reported to the IRS. Any university that has revenue less than expenses is going to report revenue and expenses as equal (totaling zero) in its EADA report because that is an EADA requirement.

If you were to somehow get a look at the financial information provided to the IRS, it is a near statistically impossibility that Miami's net for the year would equal exactly zero. Just use some simple logic if you are capable of it: if you added up all the true revenue from parking lot fees, ticket sales, acc distribution, etc and then subtracted all the true expenses for new buildings, scholarships, coaching salaries, office supply expenses etc., what do you think are the chances that all those revenue amounts and expenses would total exactly zero?

Oh, but what about a situation where Expenses EXCEED Revenue? Thus, the "survey cannot be finalized" or "locked out in the system". Now, I'm not a math expert (I am), but is it POSSSSSIBLE that Miami reduced the Expenses to EQUAL Revenue, so that the report could be submitted?

LOL, sure you are math expert. You going to google some UM math professors and name drop them to "prove" your math creds? Yes, it is possible Miami reduced the actual expenses to equal revenue. Or inversely (and more likely), Miami inflated revenue to equal expenses for purposes of the EADA report.

Why would they choose to inflate revenue to equal zero instead of reduce expenses? Because the point of the EADA is to show prospective students how much the university is committed to providing equitable athletic opportunities for its men and women students. The biggest expense number, by far, in the EADA report is athletic scholarships. It would be self-sabotage to reduce the scholarship numbers because then it would look like the university isn't providing athletic opportunities (when schools have been sued over EADA reports, it for vastly overinflating the scholarship numbers, not the other way around). They could also artificially reduce the expenses for travel, coaching etc (the other significant expense categories) but again, if they showed a low number on the EADA in the categories, people would ask "why aren't you spending more on coaches and travel.' It makes no sense to show a reduction in expenses. If the school has 60 million in expenses and 40 million in revenue, it would be beyond stupid for them to report 40 million in expenses just to make revenue match expenses. It would make the school look like it's not providing students with as many opportunities as other schools by comparison. Conversely if the expenses are $60 million and revenues are $40 million, the school will just say it made $60 million in revenue. It's a fake number just like the reduced expenditure number, but it is better to look like you are spending more. One way or another it is cooking the books.


" is it POSSSSSIBLE that Miami reduced the Expenses to EQUAL Revenue, so that the report could be submitted?

So you are asking if it is possible they cooked the books in the opposite direction? Sure. And btw thanks for admitting the school POSSSSBILLLY cooked the books.


Look, we'll make this simple.

You don't understand what the term "cooked the books" means, and what it implies.

Furthermore, you ASSUME that a situation where expenses exceed revenue would result in an INCREASE to revenue, instead of a DECREASE in expenses. But at least NOW you finally acknowledge that, yes Virginia, it is possible for Revenue and Expenses to be EQUAL for the survey.

And what you fail to realize, in your desperation to support a bogus argument that I have utterly DESTROYED is that UM would not run a deficit every year. Therefore, it is ridiculous to misstate revenue, since there will be a baseline in preceding and/or successive years.

Again, no books were "cooked". If Miami had to reduce its expense number in order to submit its report, so be it. And it doesn't matter if an accounting firm prepared the survey or not, as the audited financial statements are the starting point for the numbers in the survey.

But, sure, keep bloviating on things you know nothing about.

You have made yourself look foolish by arguing that a REQUIREMENT to NOT show a deficit on a survey constitutes "cooking the books".

It does not.

And such ignorant statements are, in fact, defamatory in nature. Even if all the elements of defamation cannot be established in court.

Yes, the author defamed three schools: "RU is one of 3 football programs in the data that appears to have cooked its books, presumably in order to not register a deficit." Which, of course, is an absolutely negligent conclusion to put into words, particularly when the rules of the survey REQUIRE no showing of a deficit.

This is why your entire post is the definition of INSANITY. Because your whole assumption is that a university would "cook its books" in order to show a lower expense level, while IGNORANTLY "cooking the books" to make Revenue and Expenses equal, as if nobody would notice. As if that's how it works. Rather than acknowledging that the financial results already exist, have been audited, have NOT been "cooked", and are REQUIRED to be stated without a deficit for purposes of the survey.

Again, LITERALLY, you do not understand what the words "cooking the books" mean.

Oh, and just for ****s and giggles, since F$U and Rutgers are both state universities, why don't you tell us what their audited financials say, and then compare that to the survey responses. Tell everyone how two public institutions "cooked the books" by falsifying their financials.
 
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Actually, I think that $1,000 is approximately what I paid in the 1980s. Five or six classes per semester, $100 per textbook (roughly). I think that the cost of textbooks DID go up for a long time, and is now going back down due to having access to online materials.
 
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Nobody said we don’t have the money. Geez we have the dumbest fan base.


Being led by a guy who claims we are "cooking the books" because a central Pennsylvania beat-writer mistakenly concluded as much.
 
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