Water is wet and the NCAA sucks

[Picksix]

Those comments were made in a 42-page document that Jonathan Duncan, the Interim Vice President of Enforcement, sent to Britton Banowsky, the Chairman of the Committee on Infractions in regards to the Nevin Shapiro scandal at Miami.

"In the enforcement staff's view, the motions to dismiss are largely based on assumptions, false accusations, misleading statements and meritless claims about the enforcement staff and its investigation. For the reasons set forth below, the enforcement staff requests that the Committee on Infractions deny the motions," Duncan wrote.
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Not only is the NCAA completely incompetent, corrupt, and have a vendetta against Miami but they are still breaking the "rules" to attack Miami even further. I thought they weren't supposed to leak these reports to the news? This is a report from the Interim Vice President of Enforcement to the Chairman of the Committee on Infractions.

So the NCAA asked Miami to cooperate and they cooperated fully. So much so that Emmert himself made a public comment about Shalala being so easy work with. For cooperating with the NCAA they stabbed the University in the back. Then all of their BS tactics come to light and they asked that not any of information be leaked and they leak information? Welcome to the criminal world in which we live. These cacksuckers need to be neutered now...

 

[UM2020]

The NCAA really has no choice, but to dig their heels in and fight to the end. If they roll over and concede, they are done as a enforcing body. It is really their only option at this point. They are so far painted in a corner, they can't get out. They are staying on the ship, until it is completely on the bottom of the ocean. This way i just takes a little longer to get to the bottom, because they are done, either way, imo.

The smart thing to do would be to admit that their investigation was flawed and that they were going to revamp the entire process. It's not rocket science. As is stands now, no one will cooperate with them in the future. Emmert himself had publicly stated that Miami was extraordinarily cooperative, yet he still tried to make an example of it.

We are beyond them admitting anything now. I am talking about now. They can't afford to do it now. Two months ago when their admitted **** ups came out, they should cut their loses, but they didn't. There is no way they are going to do that, at this point. They are going to burn the NCAA to the ground.

 

[4Canes]

The NCAA really has no choice, but to dig their heels in and fight to the end. If they roll over and concede, they are done as a enforcing body. It is really their only option at this point.

It isn't the only option, it is the option they choose. They could fire a lot more people and start fresh. They choose to go down a road of no return. All they are doing is digging in and looking foolish doing it.

I agree they look foolish, but to them, they would look more foolish if they caved at this point. Before they got into a media war, which shows zero class by an organization that oversees anything, they should have just given us time served. They are going all in and it will not end well for them, imo.

Agree, they should have worked something out right after their internal audit and moved on. Who is ever going to be cooperative with them again?

 

[Consigliere]

The NCAA really has no choice, but to dig their heels in and fight to the end. If they roll over and concede, they are done as a enforcing body. It is really their only option at this point.

It isn't the only option, it is the option they choose. They could fire a lot more people and start fresh. They choose to go down a road of no return. All they are doing is digging in and looking foolish doing it.

I agree they look foolish, but to them, they would look more foolish if they caved at this point. Before they got into a media war, which shows zero class by an organization that oversees anything, they should have just given us time served. They are going all in and it will not end well for them, imo.

They are in a media war. Nobody respects them at all and are being insulted in every publication from the NY Times to ESPN. Even the Daily Show ripped them to shreds.

 

[Bigtip]

Emmert is in the $ECs pocket. **** is obvious. **** all of em

 

[UM2020]

The NCAA really has no choice, but to dig their heels in and fight to the end. If they roll over and concede, they are done as a enforcing body. It is really their only option at this point.

It isn't the only option, it is the option they choose. They could fire a lot more people and start fresh. They choose to go down a road of no return. All they are doing is digging in and looking foolish doing it.

I agree they look foolish, but to them, they would look more foolish if they caved at this point. Before they got into a media war, which shows zero class by an organization that oversees anything, they should have just given us time served. They are going all in and it will not end well for them, imo.

They are in a media war. Nobody respects them at all and are being insulted in every publication from the NY Times to ESPN. Even the Daily Show ripped them to shreds.

They can't see the forest for the trees.

 

[UM2020]

Emmert is in the $ECs pocket. **** is obvious. **** all of em

Very obvious.

 

[miamimike]

Even with all their previous posturing and F ups I am still shocked by their arrogance. I read the allegations and just don't see wrong doing that deserves more than what we have given ourselves and been thru because of their incompetence. If the rumor is true about KW's testimony being partly or all thrown out. They have less than zero. Other than obvious bias against us wtf am I missing?

How have you read the allegations? As far as I know, the NOA hasn't been released to the public.

I'm no insider most of it was posted on here if I'm not mistaken.

 

[tjl1388]

Time to...

 

[TheSwagger1]

Doesn't the NCAA kind of win if the status is simply continuation of dragging this on? We remain under a black cloud, with recruiting hurt, going on our 3rd full recruiting season. There is no closure for our staff, or our recruiting targets. Doesn't appear to be any end in near sight. So, just because "they have nothing" or "this response is weak", does it really make it any better for us? I don't feel any better about it, but I'm admittedly very naive/ignorant in such matters. Maybe the backend of it all is looking lighter for us, but it feels like we're still just in the middle of a multi-year recruiting punishment and the official sanctions still haven't even really started (past what we self-imposed).

 

[DancingBear]

• The NCAA disputed UM’s claim that it was “highly suspect” that it waited to suspend guard Durand Scott hours before a 2012 Atlantic Coast Conference tournament game. The violation reportedly resulted from Fernandez allegedly paying for a flight for Scott's AAU coach, resulting in a six-game suspension.

Duncan said “the enforcement staff is offended by the accusation that it purposely timed the decision to have a negative impact on a specific student-athlete and entire team."
How about the timing of the allegations during summer camp before the season opener or the NOA a couple of weeks before signing day.Coincidence or premeditated timing by the NCAA?There is a pattern here where the NCAA public timing is always at the worse time for Um.

 

[User-4525]

Doesn't the NCAA kind of win if the status is simply continuation of dragging this on? We remain under a black cloud, with recruiting hurt, going on our 3rd full recruiting season. There is no closure for our staff, or our recruiting targets. Doesn't appear to be any end in near sight. So, just because "they have nothing" or "this response is weak", does it really make it any better for us? I don't feel any better about it, but I'm admittedly very naive/ignorant in such matters. Maybe the backend of it all is looking lighter for us, but it feels like we're still just in the middle of a multi-year recruiting punishment and the official sanctions still haven't even really started (past what we self-imposed).

This. I hope before kids senior season and our 2013 we can get this resolved. Give us some probation and accept the scholarship reductions & bowl bans we enforced the last two years

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

Doesn't the NCAA kind of win if the status is simply continuation of dragging this on? We remain under a black cloud, with recruiting hurt, going on our 3rd full recruiting season. There is no closure for our staff, or our recruiting targets. Doesn't appear to be any end in near sight. So, just because "they have nothing" or "this response is weak", does it really make it any better for us? I don't feel any better about it, but I'm admittedly very naive/ignorant in such matters. Maybe the backend of it all is looking lighter for us, but it feels like we're still just in the middle of a multi-year recruiting punishment and the official sanctions still haven't even really started (past what we self-imposed).

No one--not even Shalala and UM admins--believes the NCAA will simply drop the case. But UM has to try to get the case dismissed, because...well, because you never know, and because it's better to try than not to.

The "closure" will likely come in June, when the COI has its hearing. At that point, in all likelihood, the NCAA will give us credit for time served, penalize us with a small handful of scholly losses and a couple years of probation. If the scholly losses are really minor, we'll accept their terms and the case will draw to a close pretty quickly. If they try to ***** us over more than that, we'll fight it and this'll drag on for a few more months.

 

[Consigliere]

Doesn't the NCAA kind of win if the status is simply continuation of dragging this on? We remain under a black cloud, with recruiting hurt, going on our 3rd full recruiting season. There is no closure for our staff, or our recruiting targets. Doesn't appear to be any end in near sight. So, just because "they have nothing" or "this response is weak", does it really make it any better for us? I don't feel any better about it, but I'm admittedly very naive/ignorant in such matters. Maybe the backend of it all is looking lighter for us, but it feels like we're still just in the middle of a multi-year recruiting punishment and the official sanctions still haven't even really started (past what we self-imposed).

This. I hope before kids senior season and our 2013 we can get this resolved. Give us some probation and accept the scholarship reductions & bowl bans we enforced the last two years

No. No more. No probation, no fine and no ships. I am also not kidding but we should have our legal fees be paid too. This is not unreasonable, this is insane to take anything more at this point (in terms of a punishment).

 

[AZHurricane]

That claim, and others, are part of the response that was signed by Jonathan F. Duncan, the NCAA's Interim Vice President of Enforcement, in response to a motion Miami filed with the association's Committee on Infractions to have the case brought to an immediate conclusion.

The Associated Press obtained a copy of the enforcement staff's response to that motion Sunday night.

"Overall, the enforcement staff believes that the institution is again grasping at straws in an attempt to disqualify members of the enforcement team with the most knowledge about the case," Duncan wrote.


In his response, Duncan wrote that the NCAA's enforcement staff "believes that the majority of the parties' assertions in their motions to dismiss are largely based on assumptions, false accusations, misleading statements and meritless claims."

THE IRONY

Definition of irony

Better definition of "projection".

 

[Peruche]

Doesn't the NCAA kind of win if the status is simply continuation of dragging this on? We remain under a black cloud, with recruiting hurt, going on our 3rd full recruiting season. There is no closure for our staff, or our recruiting targets. Doesn't appear to be any end in near sight. So, just because "they have nothing" or "this response is weak", does it really make it any better for us? I don't feel any better about it, but I'm admittedly very naive/ignorant in such matters. Maybe the backend of it all is looking lighter for us, but it feels like we're still just in the middle of a multi-year recruiting punishment and the official sanctions still haven't even really started (past what we self-imposed).

No one--not even Shalala and UM admins--believes the NCAA will simply drop the case. But UM has to try to get the case dismissed, because...well, because you never know, and because it's better to try than not to.

The "closure" will likely come in June, when the COI has its hearing. At that point, in all likelihood, the NCAA will give us credit for time served, penalize us with a small handful of scholly losses and a couple years of probation. If the scholly losses are really minor, we'll accept their terms and the case will draw to a close pretty quickly. If they try to ***** us over more than that, we'll fight it and this'll drag on for a few more months.

No, No.....

President Shalala said FU NCAA "UM has been wronged, Time Served"

President Shalala doesn't seem to be the type of person to back down from her words.....

"Timed Served" or we sue........

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

Doesn't the NCAA kind of win if the status is simply continuation of dragging this on? We remain under a black cloud, with recruiting hurt, going on our 3rd full recruiting season. There is no closure for our staff, or our recruiting targets. Doesn't appear to be any end in near sight. So, just because "they have nothing" or "this response is weak", does it really make it any better for us? I don't feel any better about it, but I'm admittedly very naive/ignorant in such matters. Maybe the backend of it all is looking lighter for us, but it feels like we're still just in the middle of a multi-year recruiting punishment and the official sanctions still haven't even really started (past what we self-imposed).

No one--not even Shalala and UM admins--believes the NCAA will simply drop the case. But UM has to try to get the case dismissed, because...well, because you never know, and because it's better to try than not to.

The "closure" will likely come in June, when the COI has its hearing. At that point, in all likelihood, the NCAA will give us credit for time served, penalize us with a small handful of scholly losses and a couple years of probation. If the scholly losses are really minor, we'll accept their terms and the case will draw to a close pretty quickly. If they try to ***** us over more than that, we'll fight it and this'll drag on for a few more months.

No, No.....

President Shalala said FU NCAA "UM has been wronged, Time Served"

President Shalala doesn't seem to be the type of person to back down from her words.....

"Timed Served" or we sue........

This is a negotiation.

--They threaten us with LOIC and lay it on as though they're going to hammer us.

--We come back and say you screwed up the investigation, and we've punished ourselves accordingly; ***** your LOIC and give us time served or we sue.

--This thing goes to a hearing in June, where everyone meets in the middle and they give us time served and a minor punishment.

 

[BODESLAM]

PLAYING THE HUMANITARIAN CARD BY USING PAUL DEE'S HEALTH CONDITION / DEATH AS THEIR SAFETY NET AND "NOW" NOT BEING ABLE TO CONFIRM AND/OR DENY ANY ACCUSATIONS/ALLEGATIONS THRU A PAUL DEE WOULDA, SHOULDA, COULDA INTERVIEW....GIVES THEM THEIR AVENUE OUT AND BREATHING ROOM....

 

[nadiamufdi]

"In his response, Duncan wrote that the NCAA's enforcement staff "believes that the majority of the parties' assertions in their motions to dismiss are largely based on assumptions, false accusations, misleading statements and meritless claims."

All we have to do is release our response again, and per NCAA enforcement staff rules, these assumptions will be corroborated

 

[Consigliere]

"In his response, Duncan wrote that the NCAA's enforcement staff "believes that the majority of the parties' assertions in their motions to dismiss are largely based on assumptions, false accusations, misleading statements and meritless claims."

All we have to do is release our response again, and per NCAA enforcement staff rules, these assumptions will be corroborated

That implies they understand what they said and use the same rule to the investigation.