Utough Weight Room results for Offense

[Coach Macho]

MiamiNights (LeMeyers) once again curiously supportive of the worst coach on the staff.

The team is slow and weak. Miami recruits the same kids LSU and Bama and FSU do. In fact every school makes it their mission to come to South Florida for these "weak" high school kids.

I'm telling y'all...

The weight training, just like the coaching, is a joke down here. Most of the kids we recruit have never done squats, deadlifts and cleans. When Juwan Dowels and Fabian Moreau transferred to our school all they had ever done before was bench, curl and upright rows. Lmao

All anybody cares about down here is their forty and/or bench. (i.e. The typical ****) These high schools haven't moved on from the prehistoric junk. Also most schools don't have anybody qualified enough to teach these kids the more complex lifts.

IMO this is even more of a reason to not be running this type of defense. Also more of a reason for us to run more spread on offense.

THIS IS A SPEED REGION. We generally don't have very strong kids down here. Actually, some of the strongest high school kids down here play at the schools who have the fewest D1 athletes. (i.e. Cooper City, Western, etc) So what does that tell you?

FSU is doing alright

MiamiNights (LeMeyers) once again curiously supportive of the worst coach on the staff.

The team is slow and weak. Miami recruits the same kids LSU and Bama and FSU do. In fact every school makes it their mission to come to South Florida for these "weak" high school kids.

I'm telling y'all...

The weight training, just like the coaching, is a joke down here. Most of the kids we recruit have never done squats, deadlifts and cleans. When Juwan Dowels and Fabian Moreau transferred to our school all they had ever done before was bench, curl and upright rows. Lmao

All anybody cares about down here is their forty and/or bench. (i.e. The typical ****) These high schools haven't moved on from the prehistoric junk. Also most schools don't have anybody qualified enough to teach these kids the more complex lifts.

IMO this is even more of a reason to not be running this type of defense. Also more of a reason for us to run more spread on offense.

THIS IS A SPEED REGION. We generally don't have very strong kids down here. Actually, some of the strongest high school kids down here play at the schools who have the fewest D1 athletes. (i.e. Cooper City, Western, etc) So what does that tell you?

FSU is doing alright

Didn't know FSU was in Miami.

Recruits the same region

Derp

Well no ****. EVERYBODY recruits this region for the studs. This isn't their main region though. That wasn't the point anyway. FSU isn't Miami. You see FSU 2-gapping and/or trying to run the ball down people's throat out of the I? Or does FSU use 220lb linebackers and get their athletes in space on offense?

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Weight training and conditioning is no different here than the rest of the country.
Whoever claims kids don't do any squats or powerlifting down here cause of 2 kids that transferred to his school that didn't is reaching.
What differs mostly is body types and work ethic. Natural ability and skill is there. the other is missing for the most part until they reach college and come into a program like Golden is running which the previous 2 coaches failed at.
Look at a kid like Aldarius Johnson. All the natural athletic ability in the world until his poor work ethic caught up to him.

VERY uniformed statement

and of course you follow up with nothing to support why you think it is. Great job.

Weight training and conditioning is no different here than the rest of the country.
Whoever claims kids don't do any squats or powerlifting down here cause of 2 kids that transferred to his school that didn't is reaching.
What differs mostly is body types and work ethic. Natural ability and skill is there. the other is missing for the most part until they reach college and come into a program like Golden is running which the previous 2 coaches failed at.
Look at a kid like Aldarius Johnson. All the natural athletic ability in the world until his poor work ethic caught up to him.

VERY uniformed statement

and the rest of your post is nonsense. WCD is on point. The "strength and conditioning" coaches at some of those schools have 0 experience or education in that field.

A few things wrong with your statement.
First I highly doubt you know the qualification of these coaches and two LOL at thinking you need some sort of formal education in the field to be a S&C coach. Most of these coaches were former ballers themselves and know what it takes S&C wise to get these kids to get stronger. Power lifting, benching and squats are basic staples of S&C programs around South Florida.
As usual WCD is talking out his *** and folks here swallow it up.

Well then, I did the same thing as you didn't i? What facts do you have to prove your first statement?

Facts I have are what I've seen with my own eyes. I've seen multiple south Florida teams go through their daily workouts and then I see a team like Oakleaf (Jax) go through their workouts and the difference is night and day.

And you're wrong again. I've spoken to the coaches & players of multiple programs and the ones that have a degree in exercise science or human performance usually have better programs. The degree won't make you a good coach but to the coaches that applied themselves correctly the benefit is enormous. And your logic is a little off. I don't need a degree to become a obtain a salary in the 1m+ range. But look at the statistics of people with that income and how many received a higher level education. "Around 80% of millionaires are college graduates." There are S&C coaches that can be successful w/o a degree. But those coaches are dedicated to learning everything about their occupation and also were taught by a good S&C coach in college. They just apply the same principles. Just because someone is a "former baller" does not mean they're qualified at all. Plenty of former nba, nfl, or mlb players that can't coach. Plenty of former sports professionals that get front office jobs and have 0 idea what to do.


But, by all means, please tell me what you know about south Florida S&C since you obviously know more than WCD and myself.

You really think someone that invested time and money to earn a degree in exercise science is going to seek employment at the high school level earning a measly salary?
further you think High Schools, especially the economically challanged ones like you'll find scattered throughout south florida have the budget to hire those types of S&C coaches?
Never heard of OakLeaf or whatever and if they can hire a world class S&C person and have state of the art facilities great for them.
That doesn't take away from my argument that S&C programs across South Florida incorporate the basic workout and condition staples of benching, squatting and power clean, dead lifts etc. You don't need a guy with a degree to implement a S&C program to incorporate the use of those lifting techniques.

My main point was to contest WCD generalization that kids down here don't do powerlifting based on 2 kids that transferred to his school that never did. That's highly ignorant and anyone that believes him is a fool.

Here is a link to Southridges workouts. Basically you'll find the same in any South Florida football gym. Across the region.
[video=youtube;rGWkWMaSLJw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGWkWMaSLJw[/video]

 

[FullyERicht]

WCD will say just about anything to excuse the "decade of disaster" that was/is Andreu Swasey.

 

[LEmeyers]

WCD will say just about anything to excuse the "decade of disaster" that was/is Andreu Swasey.

Nobody said anything about Swasey until the end of cokers reign and there after. If Miami had better coaching it would be the samething again.

 

[Coach Macho]

Weight training and conditioning is no different here than the rest of the country.
Whoever claims kids don't do any squats or powerlifting down here cause of 2 kids that transferred to his school that didn't is reaching.
What differs mostly is body types and work ethic. Natural ability and skill is there. the other is missing for the most part until they reach college and come into a program like Golden is running which the previous 2 coaches failed at.
Look at a kid like Aldarius Johnson. All the natural athletic ability in the world until his poor work ethic caught up to him.

VERY uniformed statement

and of course you follow up with nothing to support why you think it is. Great job.

Weight training and conditioning is no different here than the rest of the country.
Whoever claims kids don't do any squats or powerlifting down here cause of 2 kids that transferred to his school that didn't is reaching.
What differs mostly is body types and work ethic. Natural ability and skill is there. the other is missing for the most part until they reach college and come into a program like Golden is running which the previous 2 coaches failed at.
Look at a kid like Aldarius Johnson. All the natural athletic ability in the world until his poor work ethic caught up to him.

VERY uniformed statement

and the rest of your post is nonsense. WCD is on point. The "strength and conditioning" coaches at some of those schools have 0 experience or education in that field.

A few things wrong with your statement.
First I highly doubt you know the qualification of these coaches and two LOL at thinking you need some sort of formal education in the field to be a S&C coach. Most of these coaches were former ballers themselves and know what it takes S&C wise to get these kids to get stronger. Power lifting, benching and squats are basic staples of S&C programs around South Florida.
As usual WCD is talking out his *** and folks here swallow it up.

Well then, I did the same thing as you didn't i? What facts do you have to prove your first statement?

Facts I have are what I've seen with my own eyes. I've seen multiple south Florida teams go through their daily workouts and then I see a team like Oakleaf (Jax) go through their workouts and the difference is night and day.

And you're wrong again. I've spoken to the coaches & players of multiple programs and the ones that have a degree in exercise science or human performance usually have better programs. The degree won't make you a good coach but to the coaches that applied themselves correctly the benefit is enormous. And your logic is a little off. I don't need a degree to become a obtain a salary in the 1m+ range. But look at the statistics of people with that income and how many received a higher level education. "Around 80% of millionaires are college graduates." There are S&C coaches that can be successful w/o a degree. But those coaches are dedicated to learning everything about their occupation and also were taught by a good S&C coach in college. They just apply the same principles. Just because someone is a "former baller" does not mean they're qualified at all. Plenty of former nba, nfl, or mlb players that can't coach. Plenty of former sports professionals that get front office jobs and have 0 idea what to do.


But, by all means, please tell me what you know about south Florida S&C since you obviously know more than WCD and myself.

You really think someone that invested time and money to earn a degree in exercise science is going to seek employment at the high school level earning a measly salary?
further you think High Schools, especially the economically challanged ones like you'll find scattered throughout south florida have the budget to hire those types of S&C coaches?
Never heard of OakLeaf or whatever and if they can hire a world class S&C person and have state of the art facilities great for them.
That doesn't take away from my argument that S&C programs across South Florida incorporate the basic workout and condition staples of benching, squatting and power clean, dead lifts etc. You don't need a guy with a degree to implement a S&C program to incorporate the use of those lifting techniques.

My main point was to contest WCD generalization that kids down here don't do powerlifting based on 2 kids that transferred to his school that never did. That's highly ignorant and anyone that believes him is a fool.

Here is a link to Southridges workouts. Basically you'll find the same in any South Florida football gym. Across the region.
[video=youtube;rGWkWMaSLJw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGWkWMaSLJw[/video]

Clueless as a fool.

Talking about something you have no clue about.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

WCD I see a highschool kid from Southridge squatting 400 lbs on that video I posted. I thought you said they only do curls. Lulz.

 

[jwayne]

Played up in the panhandle a long time ago and we did tested our bench, squat (using beepers to make sure full squat), cleans and deadlifts. Coaches took principles from Alabama and Oklahoma S&C and we had logs specific to our workouts. Didn't have 400 bench guys or many 500 squat guys but lifts were true. Other schools in that area didn't do all of these lifts so it could vary by school. Plus, after I moved to TX senior year the strength numbers were much higher. Found out why when we tested and saw half squats and assisted lifts. A lot fudged their numbers so that can happen.

 

[Coach Macho]

WCD I see a highschool kid from Southridge squatting 400 lbs on that video I posted. I thought you said they only do curls. Lulz.

Isn't using that video (to prove your point) the same thing as me using (only) two of my players as an example? Hypocrite.

And i didn't say there were zero teams in South Florida that do Olympic lifts. You took what i said out of context and went and found one video of kids doing Olympic lifts. Nice job kid.

Overall the weight training in South Florida is atrocious. Its common knowledge that the coaching is bad. Only an idiot would think that the weight training isn't on the same level.

You think our coaching is worse than everywhere else in the country but our weight training is right up to par. What sense does that make? LOL

And how the **** do YOU know what's going on down here?

 

[Coach Macho]

Lmao @ the notion that just anybody can teach kids how to lift.

"Many high school coaches are formal athletes that have lifted before..."

Ooh ok, so that means they can train kids. Just like former football players are guaranteed to be good coaches. I mean, they played football at a high level so they MUST be able to coach it. lol

Fact of the matter is, most of the coaches down here don't know ****. Most schools aren't fortunate enough to have a trainer on campus or have enough money in the booster club to hire an outside source so that leaves the slapdick position coaches to train these kids. The same homeboys that are teaching these kids poor technique on the football field are teaching them poor technique in the weight room. That's why many of these kids get to college with mediocre numbers.

I've been to camps and 7-on-7 tournaments all over the state. I see teams from other parts of the state who have jacked teenagers all over their roster.

 

[killa1storm]

MiamiNights (LeMeyers) once again curiously supportive of the worst coach on the staff.

The team is slow and weak. Miami recruits the same kids LSU and Bama and FSU do. In fact every school makes it their mission to come to South Florida for these "weak" high school kids.

WCD:

So you are saying it's only our big men who are putting up pathetic numbers? Bc that MUST be the case, since LSU FSU etc have no issue recruiting "weak" skill guys of SoFla.

Our skill guys are also underperforming. And yet you said "well LSU and FSU recruit country strong guys". And yet every year they pilfer from our area.

It shouldn't take till they get to the combine to maximize their physical abilities. But when you have the same under qualified guy running things, that what happens.

No. I said that Bama and LSU don't put a premium on our big men. They come down here for the skill players cause no region in the country has skill like us. Teams around the country aren't knocking down our doors for linemen unless they're special.

You're saying that those teams put emphasis on recruiting South Florida. Yeah they do. FOR SPEED positions.

I don't think that's a negative though. I know Meyer used to always talk about finding kids who had barely been in a weight room, those are the kinda guys you get in a program and they grow into super freaks.

Schools camp out in S. Fla for explosive d-linemen and linebackers. Those guys are usually smaller (wouldn't call them weak) and become monsters when they get into a program. I think o-linemen in general has never been a strong group in florida, but its getting better. And their numbers coming out are typically in line with other areas.

 

[cane since birth]

WCD will say just about anything to excuse the "decade of disaster" that was/is Andreu Swasey.

Because he is telling the truth, S&C in SoFl high schools is a joke, the kids that have some bulk are the ones that go out on their own and spend their own money to lift at a local gym

 

[Coach Macho]

Like i said...

Why would the S&C down here be any better than the coaching? It's relevant.

Some of you are basically implying that although our coaching is behind the majority of the country our S&C isn't. That's foolish. They go hand and hand.

 

[ucrew02]

That video is a good view into the **** that strength coaches hate. Most of those kids would have to have their first weeks to months teaching them how to lift again. Those cleans are more likely to get them hurt than have any carry over to the field. Those bench press numbers are all inflated because the spotter is holding the bar. A majority of those squats aren't even close to depth which is a concern if you actually give a **** about injury prevention and increasing performance.

Maybe that's why our numbers seem low. Chasing numbers is never in the job description of a performance coach and the good ones know that. I don't know Swasey and can't speak to his values or his program but numbers will literally never tell the whole story

 

[FullyERicht]

MiamiNights (LeMeyers) once again curiously supportive of the worst coach on the staff.

The team is slow and weak. Miami recruits the same kids LSU and Bama and FSU do. In fact every school makes it their mission to come to South Florida for these "weak" high school kids.

WCD:

So you are saying it's only our big men who are putting up pathetic numbers? Bc that MUST be the case, since LSU FSU etc have no issue recruiting "weak" skill guys of SoFla.

Our skill guys are also underperforming. And yet you said "well LSU and FSU recruit country strong guys". And yet every year they pilfer from our area.

It shouldn't take till they get to the combine to maximize their physical abilities. But when you have the same under qualified guy running things, that what happens.

No. I said that Bama and LSU don't put a premium on our big men. They come down here for the skill players cause no region in the country has skill like us. Teams around the country aren't knocking down our doors for linemen unless they're special.

You're saying that those teams put emphasis on recruiting South Florida. Yeah they do. FOR SPEED positions.

I don't think that's a negative though. I know Meyer used to always talk about finding kids who had barely been in a weight room, those are the kinda guys you get in a program and they grow into super freaks.

Schools camp out in S. Fla for explosive d-linemen and linebackers. Those guys are usually smaller (wouldn't call them weak) and become monsters when they get into a program. I think o-linemen in general has never been a strong group in florida, but its getting better. And their numbers coming out are typically in line with other areas.

But this doesn't mesh with WCDs argument. In fact the idea that schools take explosive players and develop them into physical beasts proves Swasey's inadequacy. When that explosive smaller kid goes to FSU or LSU he develops. The explosive smaller kids who come here don't.

These other schools are not going after the weight room warriors from SoFla, bc frankly there aren't many. They are just able to develop the kids they do land.

 

[FullyERicht]

WCD will say just about anything to excuse the "decade of disaster" that was/is Andreu Swasey.

Nobody said anything about Swasey until the end of cokers reign and there after. If Miami had better coaching it would be the samething again.

Revisionist history. People were *****ing about him after the Fiesta Bowl. It just got worse as more and more kids spent time in his program.

 

[AUcane]

MiamiNights (LeMeyers) once again curiously supportive of the worst coach on the staff.

The team is slow and weak. Miami recruits the same kids LSU and Bama and FSU do. In fact every school makes it their mission to come to South Florida for these "weak" high school kids.

WCD:

So you are saying it's only our big men who are putting up pathetic numbers? Bc that MUST be the case, since LSU FSU etc have no issue recruiting "weak" skill guys of SoFla.

Our skill guys are also underperforming. And yet you said "well LSU and FSU recruit country strong guys". And yet every year they pilfer from our area.

It shouldn't take till they get to the combine to maximize their physical abilities. But when you have the same under qualified guy running things, that what happens.

No. I said that Bama and LSU don't put a premium on our big men. They come down here for the skill players cause no region in the country has skill like us. Teams around the country aren't knocking down our doors for linemen unless they're special.

You're saying that those teams put emphasis on recruiting South Florida. Yeah they do. FOR SPEED positions.

I don't think that's a negative though. I know Meyer used to always talk about finding kids who had barely been in a weight room, those are the kinda guys you get in a program and they grow into super freaks.

Schools camp out in S. Fla for explosive d-linemen and linebackers. Those guys are usually smaller (wouldn't call them weak) and become monsters when they get into a program. I think o-linemen in general has never been a strong group in florida, but its getting better. And their numbers coming out are typically in line with other areas.

But this doesn't mesh with WCDs argument. In fact the idea that schools take explosive players and develop them into physical beasts proves Swasey's inadequacy. When that explosive smaller kid goes to FSU or LSU he develops. The explosive smaller kids who come here don't.

These other schools are not going after the weight room warriors from SoFla, bc frankly there aren't many. They are just able to develop the kids they do land.

Well, maybe we're not signing explosive smaller kids.

 

[killa1storm]

MiamiNights (LeMeyers) once again curiously supportive of the worst coach on the staff.

The team is slow and weak. Miami recruits the same kids LSU and Bama and FSU do. In fact every school makes it their mission to come to South Florida for these "weak" high school kids.

WCD:

So you are saying it's only our big men who are putting up pathetic numbers? Bc that MUST be the case, since LSU FSU etc have no issue recruiting "weak" skill guys of SoFla.

Our skill guys are also underperforming. And yet you said "well LSU and FSU recruit country strong guys". And yet every year they pilfer from our area.

It shouldn't take till they get to the combine to maximize their physical abilities. But when you have the same under qualified guy running things, that what happens.

No. I said that Bama and LSU don't put a premium on our big men. They come down here for the skill players cause no region in the country has skill like us. Teams around the country aren't knocking down our doors for linemen unless they're special.

You're saying that those teams put emphasis on recruiting South Florida. Yeah they do. FOR SPEED positions.

I don't think that's a negative though. I know Meyer used to always talk about finding kids who had barely been in a weight room, those are the kinda guys you get in a program and they grow into super freaks.

Schools camp out in S. Fla for explosive d-linemen and linebackers. Those guys are usually smaller (wouldn't call them weak) and become monsters when they get into a program. I think o-linemen in general has never been a strong group in florida, but its getting better. And their numbers coming out are typically in line with other areas.

But this doesn't mesh with WCDs argument. In fact the idea that schools take explosive players and develop them into physical beasts proves Swasey's inadequacy. When that explosive smaller kid goes to FSU or LSU he develops. The explosive smaller kids who come here don't.

These other schools are not going after the weight room warriors from SoFla, bc frankly there aren't many. They are just able to develop the kids they do land.

I think Wildcat has some good points, but he overstates it as well.

Top notch S&C guys who know what the **** they're talking about aren't working at high schools, they can't afford em. I highly doubt S&C programs are any more sophisticated anywhere else.

To give some perspective I played at Camden County for a year and our 'stength' coach if you could even call him that was our DB coach. We did all the olympic lifts and sprints, etc. We are a national program and have sent guys to D-1 every year. I don't think the programs for the other nationally known power schools were more sophisticated than ours. I had boys that played for Valdosta, Norcross, etc. and it was pretty much the same thing.

S. Fla strength programs may or may not be bad but I'm pretty sure there aren't too many complex programs on the HS level. Teams generally don't have the resources and the ones who do for the most party rely on talent. They work the **** out of the kids but most of it it elementary as far as lifts go. I don't think these S. Fla kids are coming out any less prepared.

 

[cane since birth]

have some of you seen homesteads team in general, that whole team is small as ****, wildcat does have a point that SoFla is more about the skill position players

 

[LEmeyers]

WCD will say just about anything to excuse the "decade of disaster" that was/is Andreu Swasey.

Nobody said anything about Swasey until the end of cokers reign and there after. If Miami had better coaching it would be the samething again.

Revisionist history. People were ****ing about him after the Fiesta Bowl. It just got worse as more and more kids spent time in his program.

It's all in your mind. people complained about oline coaching more than they mentioned Swasey. Swasey wasn't a popular excuse until the end of cokers career...mainly his last 2 years. In 2002 everyone thought Swasey was great since a lot of former players came back and worked out with him and they talked about how great he was.

 

[FullyERicht]

WCD will say just about anything to excuse the "decade of disaster" that was/is Andreu Swasey.

Nobody said anything about Swasey until the end of cokers reign and there after. If Miami had better coaching it would be the samething again.

Revisionist history. People were ****ing about him after the Fiesta Bowl. It just got worse as more and more kids spent time in his program.

It's all in your mind. people complained about oline coaching more than they mentioned Swasey. Swasey wasn't a popular excuse until the end of cokers career...mainly his last 2 years. In 2002 everyone thought Swasey was great since a lot of former players came back and worked out with him and they talked about how great he was.

You still think he's great because he's a black guy from Carol City. I though he was a fraud when I started seeing us get pushed around by physical teams, which started with the Fiesta Bowl.

Guy doesn't get the job done for a decade and you give him a pass, just like you curiously did with Randy. At least you are consistent.

And btw, changing your name to LEMeyers or NewKirk isn't fooling anyone. Might as well just go by MiamiNights.