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Upon Further Review: Carson Beck

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OrangeBowlMagic said:
IDK but this isn't how I live life. I can't go back and change the past. I can learn from it, but I don't dwell on it. All I can impact now is what happens from this minute into the future. So when will we stop putting ourselves in this position? I hope immediately. If Beck's elbow is OK, we should be good for 2025. You recruited, IMO, one of the 5 best QBs in the country this year. He should be your guy in 2026 and 2027. You need to add around him in case he busts or gets injured, but IMO you're set up well for the next few years. And, you can always go into the portal again, as we've seen the past 2 seasons.

I'm not sold on Coleman, I think we need to continue recruiting the position heavily and always be monitoring the portal. But Nickel is the highest ranked HS QB we've signed since, when? Kaaya? He's gotta be the dude.
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Very fair. I would like to see Nickel getting starterish reps as early as possible this spring. No, I don't care in the least bit about the other QBs feelings or if they leave.
 
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I don't know why anyone isn't man enough to say we should expect the same or better results from a quarterback coming off a down year and elbow surgery throwing to a completely different set of receivers.

I fully expect Beck to destroy Ward's records. Or maybe not. Let's discuss.
 
nobeastofburden said:
Well for me personally all the backlash just seems hypocritical. We give Cam all the benefits of the doubt when he went 5-7 in a pretty terrible defensive conference. Some real stinker games in that season. So, if he elevated his game by playing here with improved ol, rb, etc, then why isn't that the reason for the drop in Beck's qbr and overall play when UGA lost all those studs after 23? That is the only thing confusing to me in all this.
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Because it's an assumption that he's going to get improved OL, RB & WR play here.

And the difference is, the talent that UGA had is significantly better than any talent Cam Ward ever had. It's not an Apples to Apples comparison.

Cam was given the benefit of the doubt, because in spite of playing in situations with less talent he played really well & his overall physical ability stood out.

Beck played his best when the team around him was a National Championship contender jam packed with NFL talent on both sides of the ball.

Does Miami have a National Championship contender roster? Are we jam packed with NFL talent on both sides of the ball?

If the answer is yes, then we should win the ACC & make the playoffs this year.

Right?
 
Cribby said:
There was lots of qb’s early on. Off the top of my head.

Arnold
Mensah
Mendoza
Moss

We put all the eggs in Mateer. Then at one point we were interacting with guys that were bums. So yes everything worked out in the end but we had to pay an exorbitant amount for a qb that just got his throwing elbow cut on. All of that is pretty risky. Luckily that’s the best we could’ve done waiting this long into the process.
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Really strange decision by Mateer. He must have really liked his OC or just didn’t like the idea of living in Miami, because he went into what is obviously a dumpster fire. Poor business decision by him.
 
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Memnon said:
Beck has shown he can have success on the college level & not necessarily because of him, so WHO is the one that's supposed to take up the mantle of that responsibility this upcoming season?

And how you can make an argument by saying, if you ignore Texas? WHY WOULD WE IGNORE THE TEXAS GAME?

And again, that's a parlor trick of moving the goalposts by going by Pass Defense. The best 3 Defensive teams he played this year, Ole Miss, Texas & Kentucky. Bama did not have a better Defense than any of those teams & even if you want to try to say they did, he's literally the reason they lost to Bama.

Of course you don't view Beck as badly as I do. I don't view him bad at all, I just don't overrate him the way everyone else does. He gets more credit than he actually deserves & receives literally no blame for his porous play. That's the part I don't understand. Especially considering he's played on the most loaded rosters in recent CFB history.

I have no issue with pocket passers. I dont like pedestrian QB's who benefit from playing on loaded teams & then get hyped up as if they're something more than what they really are. QB play in today's era is a whole world's different from what it was 15-20 years ago. The best QB's are the ones who can thrive in uncomfortable situations & make plays when things aren't perfect.

If the only time you look good as a QB is when you have everything else going perfect around you, then that means you lack raw ability. And that lack of raw ability gets exposed once teams figure out how to make you uncomfortable through pass rush & coverages.

That's why a safe risk adverse QB, who doesn't take a lot of deep shots can still manage to throw 12 picks. Because when his inefficiencies aren't being hidden by conservative play calling, he's out there in the wild left to do it on his own. When that happened, he looked like a different player from when he had the protection of high caliber players to rely on.

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These aren't wild improvisational gunslinger throws taking a chance down the field...

These are safe, routine regular system passes that are getting picked or batted down. So what's that say?

These weren't the WR ran the wrong route, or I didn't have enough protection miscues. These are just flat out bad throws within the confines of the same Offense that he ran when UGA was steamrolling over everybody the year prior, so what happened?

Same QB, same Offense, but worse results? How?
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I agree with everything you said, but who was the alternative on the roster or in the portal?
 
Cribby said:
There was lots of qb’s early on. Off the top of my head.

Arnold
Mensah
Mendoza
Moss

We put all the eggs in Mateer. Then at one point we were interacting with guys that were bums. So yes everything worked out in the end but we had to pay an exorbitant amount for a qb that just got his throwing elbow cut on. All of that is pretty risky. Luckily that’s the best we could’ve done waiting this long into the process.
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Mensah and Moss both have some red flags in their game that make Becks red flags look green TBF.

Arnold was also a serious risk for a roster that still needs to add pieces. He hasn't proven to be close to as good as Beck with just as much downside risk, and probably more risk.

Mendoza was the guy imo, high floor lower ceiling and much cheaper. Of course CIS would have cried about that.

They should have jumped on Mendoza right away.
 
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Return of the U said:
Mensah and Moss both have some red flags in their game that make Becks red flags look green TBF.

Arnold was also a serious risk for a roster that still needs to add pieces. He hasn't proven to be close to as good as Beck with just as much downside risk, and probably more risk.

Mendoza was the guy imo, high floor lower ceiling and much cheaper. Of course CIS would have cried about that.

They should have jumped on Mendoza right away.
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Any truth to the shenanigans Mendoza was allegedly playing at the end of his tenure? Something about misleading potential incoming transfers with/without the help of his pops?
 
E1k said:
This is why we all have eyes to watch the games, cam situation at wazzu isn’t comparable to beck situation at georgia. So yea cam qbr jumping was because his supporting talent finally caught up to his level of play. Thats why u get the #1 offense..And remember beck is not walking into the same situation as cam

Almost every game on the schedule cam team was at a talent disadvantage at wazzu, beck in maybe 90% of the games he has started in college his team had the talent advantage on both sides

Im happy we got beck, i think he’s one of the best options that became available if not the best but there is reason to be worried that we wont see a upward trend like we did with cam.

Thats why im saying we need to stack more talent, the weapons on offense we have now is not enough. Only positive i see that can lead to a big upward trend is we probably wont face defenses at the same level of the top sec teams georgia faced last year.

But even then what if we get that same beck as last year but coming off an injury? That’s something to be worried about but our fans are trying to brush it off lol typical off season thinking the best case scenario will happen everywhere
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Beck is the tale of two seasons. He was surrounded by elite talent and a mediocre OC in ‘23. Talent level took a significant hit in ‘24 and under same OC.
The worry for Beck in ‘25 - forgetting his elbow/arm for a moment - is he’s not gonna have the same offense as Cam. The loss of Restrepo and Arroyo, in particular, wont be fully replaced. Also won’t have bully RB who was a ***** the second half of season. WR group is hyped as talented, but young and has no experience. Definitely need an elite receiver out of the spring portal.
 
Memnon said:
I'm seeing a lot of excuses being made on behalf of Beck, which is to be expected, but since no one else will, I guess I have to be the bad guy once again...

I just have some questions (sacrilegious I know), how come a guy who is supposed to be a projected 1st rounder & potential Heisman candidate, played his 3 worst games against the 3 best Defenses he faced this season??

Vs Ole Miss - 20/31 186yds 0TD's 1INTs
Vs Texas (Game 1) - 23/41 175yds 0TD's & 3INTs
Vs Kentucky - 15/24 160yds 0TD's

So we're blaming all his poor play on his OL & WR's?

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How about this Sack? This on the OL? Not enough time? I distinctly remember quite a few on the board blaming the majority of the Sacks that Cam took this year on Cam holding onto the ball too long, so is that the same in this case or nah?

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Or this one? OL?

What about throwing 9 picks in 4 game stretch?

All on the WR's?

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He had enough time on this one no?

What about these?

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We sweeping this under the rug or..?

There's also questions about the decision making.

UGA drives down to the 8yd line in the 3rd quarter, down by 9. It's 3rd & Goal, what does Beck do? Throw one of them patented check downs so many crave for.
Good decision right? Well, considering the circumstances, maybe not...

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I mean he has Dillon Bell on the outside left hashes running a quick Out & has the actual TD read with Lawson Luckie (#7) running the 4 route from the Y. If Beck "holds onto the ball longer 👀", the TE crosses the LB's face & he's uncovered with at least 7yds of space in the End zone.

Sure, he made the safe play while in the Red Zone & down a score & FG in the 3rd quarter, so I guess he gets a Golf clap for that.. Idk, I kinda would prefer the QB in that situation try to go for a TD, but apparently not.

Then there's that whole Kentucky fiasco, but I won't get into that...

Is it all concerning that Beck was 16/35 (45%) on his Deep ball (passes above 20yds on air & beyond)?

Is it all concerning that Beck was 1,481yds 7TD's & 7INT's at 60%cmp vs the AP top 25 this season?

I know we're not holding Beck to the same standard we did Cam... (Wait, why aren't we doing that again?), but, at what point does it get asked that if Beck played worse with lesser talent around him this season, where are the expectations coming from that he's going to play better this season with seemingly less talent around him again?

I've seen quite a bit, he didn't have Bowers, or McConkey & their run game wasn't as good... Right... Is he going to have Bowers & McConkey at Miami? And I know alotta people THINK our run game will be perfectly fine without Martinez, but is it not a legitimate question to ask where the run game will stand without Martinez, considering many seem to believe that the run game will be an important factor in Beck's projected improved play?

Then there's the whole Bama ordeal...

It seems Beck is being credited for almost bringing UGA back in the Bama game. I also seem to remember that many blasted Cam for digging us in the hole in the VA Tech & Cal games. So that only leads to me another one of them forbidden questions... Did Beck have anything to do with Bama having the lead in the first place? Did he "dig UGA in a hole"??

I apologize in advance if I made anyone have any thoughts they weren't supposed to have in even bringing up any of these questions. I'm almost certain exactly how this will be met, but if you look at it on the brightside, I'm giving a lot of you plenty of ammunition to carpet bomb me during the season when we go 12-0 & secure the #1 seed in the playoffs.

But then again...
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If you took singles out clips of some of the interceptions he threw last year,
hurricaneman said:
First, I think their QB strategy is absolutely terrible. One year rentals acquired in January is probably the most destructive recruiting situation you can find yourselves in, for both high school and the portal. And the downside risk for not hitting on these guys is catastrophic.

Second, I agree with you that Beck is going to be a product of the talent and success around him and not someone who is the one driving the success. I think if you put Beck on this 2024 Miami team we're 8-4ish. He would have been asked to do way too much due to the defense. I also think if you putt 99% of the QBs in college on this 2024 team 8-4 is their ceiling.

But I think the 2025 offense is going to be better for him than the 2024 Georgia offense. And I think the schedule is going to be infinitely easier than his 2024 Georgia schedule. If Miami needs to win 10/11 games or win the ACCCG to get into the playoff I would say Beck is good enough to do that IF the defense actually improves and we can land a very good receiver in the spring portal window.

Given where we were a week ago with the QB situation that's night and day difference. If people are excited about that they have every right to be. And talking about a playoff run is within the realm of possibility, where 1 week ago that was an impossibility.
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both teams playing for the national championship have one year rentals at Qb. And we have a successor in place in Luke Nickel from the HS ranks. So this criticism of our situation is quite silly.
 
Memnon said:
Because it's an assumption that he's going to get improved OL, RB & WR play here.

And the difference is, the talent that UGA had is significantly better than any talent Cam Ward ever had. It's not an Apples to Apples comparison.

Cam was given the benefit of the doubt, because in spite of playing in situations with less talent he played really well & his overall physical ability stood out.

Beck played his best when the team around him was a National Championship contender jam packed with NFL talent on both sides of the ball.

Does Miami have a National Championship contender roster? Are we jam packed with NFL talent on both sides of the ball?

If the answer is yes, then we should win the ACC & make the playoffs this year.

Right?
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Fair pt
 
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Angry Ibis said:
Very fair. I would like to see Nickel getting starterish reps as early as possible this spring. No, I don't care in the least bit about the other QBs feelings or if they leave.
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The somewhat silver lining to Beck being injured. Get Nickel those reps. I’d split them between Nickel and Judd tbh. Nothing against Emory but we know what we have there

Need Nickel up to speed quickly in case things don’t work out with Beck for whatever reason
 
Memnon said:
Because it's an assumption that he's going to get improved OL, RB & WR play here.

And the difference is, the talent that UGA had is significantly better than any talent Cam Ward ever had. It's not an Apples to Apples comparison.

Cam was given the benefit of the doubt, because in spite of playing in situations with less talent he played really well & his overall physical ability stood out.

Beck played his best when the team around him was a National Championship contender jam packed with NFL talent on both sides of the ball.

Does Miami have a National Championship contender roster? Are we jam packed with NFL talent on both sides of the ball?

If the answer is yes, then we should win the ACC & make the playoffs this year.

Right?
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I've been seeing 8 or 9 wins as the bar so far. Honestly, anything over .500, and he will probably get enshrined.
 
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