Upon Further Review: Carson Beck

[hurricaneman]

There's nothing unhinged about what or how I'm saying anything.

I'm just not buying the assumptions being made & drinking the Kool-Aid, therefore it appears that way to those who have Blind faith.

It would be very very easy to just accept everything at face value & ask no questions at all & just assume that because we got Beck we're winning the ACC & going to playoffs.

But then there's that pesky little enemy of CIS called reality, that always does its damndest to ruin the dream state.

What's your opinion on an alternative to the decision they made at QB?

 

[ajkreider]

Happy to trade a 10% fall off on offense for a 20% improvement on defense.

We don't need Beck to be a savior

 

[ddann]

I'm 100% certain I'm significantly more unbiased than anyone on here in general & specifically as it pertains to Beck.

If he were the QB he's being presented to be I would have no problem with saying so & wouldn't have the perspective I do.

I've watched every game he's played over the last 2 seasons as a starter, that's where my opinion is coming from. That's how I come to my conclusions. I don't spout off random thoughts based on nothing. I actually watch & can tell you why & how I get from point A to point B.

You guys remember when I was the only person on the board who posted on Cam Ward when he was at Incarnate Word? How do you think I found out about him? You think I just plucked a random name out of a hat & decided I liked his ability for no reason at all?

Do I strike you as someone who projects without having all the facts?

Did this comment not have facts in them? Or did I just make it all up?

Post in thread 'Upon Further Review: Carson Beck'
https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/upon-further-review-carson-beck.197079/post-7596480

Maybe just maybe, I have reason for why I'm saying the things I'm saying...

But as I stated in my original comment, I knew beforehand exactly what the responses would be.

It’s totally within the realm of possibility that your constant “Death to UGA” chants all over this board may, in fact, have contributed to the perception that you have entered into the discussion regarding Beck suddenly becoming Miami’s QB with some sort of bias.

Just a thought.

 

[bacane]

As usual, this great stuff. Appreciate the time and effort. Also appreciated Pete and D$ podcast with Beck’s HS coach. This is quality stuff and nice insight.

 

[E1k]

Even one of the most respected posters on here cant defeat the off season canes copium lol

 

[nobeastofburden]

Even one of the most respected posters on here cant defeat the off season canes copium lol

Cam's qb rating went up almost 30 pts higher from 2023 to 2024. Cam's qb rating in 2023 was 145.4, Beck's in 2024 was 145.3. Not coping mechanism, Cam has vastly more experience as a starter. Many of us are hoping Beck will trend upward the same way that Cam did here.

 

[E1k]

Cam's qb rating went up almost 30 pts higher from 2023 to 2024. Cam's qb rating in 2023 was 145.4, Beck's in 2024 was 145.3. Not coping mechanism, Cam has vastly more experience as a starter. Many of us are hoping Beck will trend upward the same way that Cam did here.

This is why we all have eyes to watch the games, cam situation at wazzu isn’t comparable to beck situation at georgia. So yea cam qbr jumping was because his supporting talent finally caught up to his level of play. Thats why u get the #1 offense..And remember beck is not walking into the same situation as cam

Almost every game on the schedule cam team was at a talent disadvantage at wazzu, beck in maybe 90% of the games he has started in college his team had the talent advantage on both sides

Im happy we got beck, i think he’s one of the best options that became available if not the best but there is reason to be worried that we wont see a upward trend like we did with cam.

Thats why im saying we need to stack more talent, the weapons on offense we have now is not enough. Only positive i see that can lead to a big upward trend is we probably wont face defenses at the same level of the top sec teams georgia faced last year.

But even then what if we get that same beck as last year but coming off an injury? That’s something to be worried about but our fans are trying to brush it off lol typical off season thinking the best case scenario will happen everywhere

 

[CanesDynasty]

This is why we all have eyes to watch the games, cam situation at wazzu isn’t comparable to beck situation at georgia. So yea cam qbr jumping was because his supporting talent finally caught up to his level of play. Thats why u get the #1 offense..And remember beck is not walking into the same situation as cam

Almost every game on the schedule cam team was at a talent disadvantage at wazzu, beck in maybe 90% of the games he has started in college his team had the talent advantage on both sides

Im happy we got beck, i think he’s one of the best options that became available if not the best but there is reason to be worried that we wont see a upward trend like we did with cam.

Thats why im saying we need to stack more talent, the weapons on offense we have now is not enough. Only positive i see that can lead to a big upward trend is we probably wont face defenses at the same level of the top sec teams georgia faced last year.

But even then what if we get that same beck as last year but coming off an injury? That’s something to be worried about but our fans are trying to brush it off lol typical off season thinking the best case scenario will happen everywhere

Mateer had success following Cam, let's hope Beck can too.

I'm not expecting our offense to look anything like 2024. I'm expecting a better version of our 2023 results. Can we all agree that Beck should be better than TVD? That's the more realistic way to look at this situation

 

[E1k]

Mateer had success following Cam, let's hope Beck can too.

I'm not expecting our offense to look anything like 2024. I'm expecting a better version of our 2023 results. Can we all agree that Beck should be better than TVD? That's the more realistic way to look at this situation

Agreed thats what i think he is…Still think we need to get about two more guys at wr especially slot. Id like a top rb too

 

[jakeman1]

We'll be spoiled by Ward for a while. It will be interesting to see Beck in Dawson's offense behind a good OL, with WR's/TE's who catch the ball. I expect the offense to take a step back, but the defense should be much better.

 

[Mikesmith29150]

I'm 100% certain I'm significantly more unbiased than anyone on here in general & specifically as it pertains to Beck.

If he were the QB he's being presented to be I would have no problem with saying so & wouldn't have the perspective I do.

I've watched every game he's played over the last 2 seasons as a starter, that's where my opinion is coming from. That's how I come to my conclusions. I don't spout off random thoughts based on nothing. I actually watch & can tell you why & how I get from point A to point B.

You guys remember when I was the only person on the board who posted on Cam Ward when he was at Incarnate Word? How do you think I found out about him? You think I just plucked a random name out of a hat & decided I liked his ability for no reason at all?

Do I strike you as someone who projects without having all the facts?

Did this comment not have facts in them? Or did I just make it all up?

Post in thread 'Upon Further Review: Carson Beck'
https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/upon-further-review-carson-beck.197079/post-7596480

Maybe just maybe, I have reason for why I'm saying the things I'm saying...

But as I stated in my original comment, I knew beforehand exactly what the responses would be.

You were the very first person I heard bring up Cam.
One point concerning Beck is he'll be taking a step down in competition. I also read in his last 4 games he had 0 interceptions.
Your thoughts are valid though

 

[Mikesmith29150]

This is why we all have eyes to watch the games, cam situation at wazzu isn’t comparable to beck situation at georgia. So yea cam qbr jumping was because his supporting talent finally caught up to his level of play. Thats why u get the #1 offense..And remember beck is not walking into the same situation as cam

Almost every game on the schedule cam team was at a talent disadvantage at wazzu, beck in maybe 90% of the games he has started in college his team had the talent advantage on both sides

Im happy we got beck, i think he’s one of the best options that became available if not the best but there is reason to be worried that we wont see a upward trend like we did with cam.

Thats why im saying we need to stack more talent, the weapons on offense we have now is not enough. Only positive i see that can lead to a big upward trend is we probably wont face defenses at the same level of the top sec teams georgia faced last year.

But even then what if we get that same beck as last year but coming off an injury? That’s something to be worried about but our fans are trying to brush it off lol typical off season thinking the best case scenario will happen everywhere

I agree. We need a number one receiver,and a slot receiver. Beck was at his best when he had high end options.

 

[Cribby]

Beck has shown he can have success on the college level & not necessarily because of him, so WHO is the one that's supposed to take up the mantle of that responsibility this upcoming season?

And how you can make an argument by saying, if you ignore Texas? WHY WOULD WE IGNORE THE TEXAS GAME?

And again, that's a parlor trick of moving the goalposts by going by Pass Defense. The best 3 Defensive teams he played this year, Ole Miss, Texas & Kentucky. Bama did not have a better Defense than any of those teams & even if you want to try to say they did, he's literally the reason they lost to Bama.

Of course you don't view Beck as badly as I do. I don't view him bad at all, I just don't overrate him the way everyone else does. He gets more credit than he actually deserves & receives literally no blame for his porous play. That's the part I don't understand. Especially considering he's played on the most loaded rosters in recent CFB history.

I have no issue with pocket passers. I dont like pedestrian QB's who benefit from playing on loaded teams & then get hyped up as if they're something more than what they really are. QB play in today's era is a whole world's different from what it was 15-20 years ago. The best QB's are the ones who can thrive in uncomfortable situations & make plays when things aren't perfect.

If the only time you look good as a QB is when you have everything else going perfect around you, then that means you lack raw ability. And that lack of raw ability gets exposed once teams figure out how to make you uncomfortable through pass rush & coverages.

That's why a safe risk adverse QB, who doesn't take a lot of deep shots can still manage to throw 12 picks. Because when his inefficiencies aren't being hidden by conservative play calling, he's out there in the wild left to do it on his own. When that happened, he looked like a different player from when he had the protection of high caliber players to rely on.

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These aren't wild improvisational gunslinger throws taking a chance down the field...

These are safe, routine regular system passes that are getting picked or batted down. So what's that say?

These weren't the WR ran the wrong route, or I didn't have enough protection miscues. These are just flat out bad throws within the confines of the same Offense that he ran when UGA was steamrolling over everybody the year prior, so what happened?

Same QB, same Offense, but worse results? How?

Lance and myself have went back in forth about Beck for days now in text. Lance is high on him and I’m more in between both of y’all in my take.

I’ve never been the biggest Beck fan. The UF game is the one game I’ve used the most examples with but he was awful in other games too. UF the int’s were as bad as as you can find from a player at his age / experience. I’d been much more into this pickup if there was no injury but even healthy I understand what comes with him. He can be reckless and very streaky. For three quarters he can be bad but to his credit he’s proven to make plays late. My question is will our defenses be able to keep us in games as long as his did at UGA? He had a very good defense to lean on while he struggled.

Now the addition has grown on me some since I knew the other options but this is very risky.

This isn’t as much of a sure thing as some lead you to believe. He’s the hot chick with big ***** and the big *** but is a complete **** . She refuses to cook or clean and her only job is to be looked at . People fall in love with his arm talent and the thought of what he can be but overlook the negatives. Once again that’s before the injury , that’s its own separate conversation.

My biggest positive with the take is Dawson his offense and the OL. That’s a big upgrade over Bobo the clown. But there’s still going to be some TVD hot and cold moments. Be prepared. I still think with our talent and potential of skill guys being added he could be enough to get us where we want to go. Just understand he’s not Cam or anything at that level. He doesn’t have the same love , passion or drive for the game that Cam did. Not even close. Which is another issue I have with him. Maybe the money and pressure changes that.

At the end of the day he’s the best option we had by this late in the game.

 

[nobeastofburden]

This is why we all have eyes to watch the games, cam situation at wazzu isn’t comparable to beck situation at georgia. So yea cam qbr jumping was because his supporting talent finally caught up to his level of play. Thats why u get the #1 offense..And remember beck is not walking into the same situation as cam

Almost every game on the schedule cam team was at a talent disadvantage at wazzu, beck in maybe 90% of the games he has started in college his team had the talent advantage on both sides

Im happy we got beck, i think he’s one of the best options that became available if not the best but there is reason to be worried that we wont see a upward trend like we did with cam.

Thats why im saying we need to stack more talent, the weapons on offense we have now is not enough. Only positive i see that can lead to a big upward trend is we probably wont face defenses at the same level of the top sec teams georgia faced last year.

But even then what if we get that same beck as last year but coming off an injury? That’s something to be worried about but our fans are trying to brush it off lol typical off season thinking the best case scenario will happen everywhere

They got clobbered by Arizona, lost to Stanford (scoring 6pts in both those games) and barely scored vs UCLA. He shined in the spotlight though which is why I was so high on Cam. I was ecstatic to get him because finally we had a qb that could actually read a defense. He wasn't without faults though is the point.

 

[sedlst11]

Lance and myself have went back in forth about Beck for days now in text. Lance is high on him and I’m more in between both of y’all in my take.

I’ve never been the biggest Beck fan. The UF game is the one game I’ve used the most examples with but he was awful in other games too. UF the int’s were as bad as as you can find from a player at his age / experience. I’d been much more into this pickup if there was no injury but even healthy I understand what comes with him. He can be reckless and very streaky. For three quarters he can be god but to his credit he’s proven to make plays late. My question is will our defenses be able to keep us in games as long as his did at UGA? He had a very good defense to lean on while he struggled.

Now the addition has grown on me some since I knew the other options but this is very risky.

This isn’t as much of a sure thing as some lead you to believe. He’s the hot chick with big ***** and the big *** but is a complete **** . She refuses to cook or clean and her only job is to be looked at . People fall in love with his arm talent and the thought of what he can be but overlook the negatives. Once again that’s before the injury , that’s its own separate conversation.

My biggest positive with the take is Dawson his offense and the OL. That’s a big upgrade over Bobo the clown. But there’s still going to be some TVD hot and cold moments. Be prepared. I still think with our talent and potential of skill guys being added he could be enough to get us where we want to go. Just understand he’s not Cam or anything at that level. He doesn’t have the same love , passion or drive for the game that Cam did. Not even close. Which is another issue I have with him. Maybe the money and pressure changes that.

At the end of the day he’s the best option we had by this late in the game.

I don’t think anyone expects him to be Cam, if they do then that’s their fault. I lie with the fact that with Carson we can be at least competitive this year and not fall back to 8-4, 7-5 maybe even worse with Nickel and Emory. With more talent acquisition, offensively and defensively coming, there’s no reason he can’t lead us to where we need to go. Without him, we’re not saying the same. Because 1. We’re probably not adding more talent at WR and 2. Were stuck with a dude with a noodle arm and/or a true freshman.

 

[Cribby]

I don’t think anyone expects him to be Cam, if they do then that’s their fault. I lie with the fact that with Carson we can be at least competitive this year and not fall back to 8-4, 7-5 maybe even worse with Nickel and Emory. With more talent acquisition, offensively and defensively coming, there’s no reason he can’t lead us to where we need to go. Without him, we’re not saying the same. Because 1. We’re probably not adding more talent at WR and 2. Were stuck with a dude with a noodle arm and/or a true freshman.

The point is could we have done better earlier in the portal but we passed? Paying less. That’s the only issue I see.

 

[Memnon]

It’s totally within the realm of possibility that your constant “Death to UGA” chants all over this board may, in fact, have contributed to the perception that you have entered into the discussion regarding Beck suddenly becoming Miami’s QB with some sort of bias.

Just a thought.

Only in the minds of the UGA fans on the board.

 

[sedlst11]

The point is could we have done better earlier in the portal but we passed? Paying less. That’s the only issue I see.

Options were

Mendoza
Mensah
Who else?

 

[Memnon]

What's your opinion on an alternative to the decision they made at QB?

They put themselves in a zero sum situation where they had no choice.

Again, I'm not saying nor have I said they shouldn't have taken him or that he's the worst QB in CFB.

I'm just not accepting all the excuses being made for why his play declined & then accepting the logical leap that it's going to suddenly increase now that he's in Miami.

If the reason for Beck's decline this season was due to the fault of his lack of RB's, OL & WR's, THEN simultaneously saying he needs to be surrounded by elite talent in order to play at his best, while also projecting him to lead us to an ACC title & possibly the playoffs, are all contradictory statements.

 

[E1k]

They got clobbered by Arizona, lost to Stanford (scoring 6pts in both those games) and barely scored vs UCLA. He shined in the spotlight though which is why I was so high on Cam. I was ecstatic to get him because finally we had a qb that could actually read a defense. He wasn't without faults though is the point.

He isn’t a perfect player, my point is we saw a boost from cam because he was already an elite player that just needed structure and talent around him. Georgia last year and us currently is way more similar than wazza with cam and us this past year