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[marshallrc13]

Again I'm not saying one is better than the other. I would say Duke is better. What I'm saying is you can't just write off the fact that he's not very effective against good run defenses because of blocking.

He's a really good player. But he's not the best player on the team right now because they'd be 4-0 with our without him.

Duke has been treated like royalty around here and he hasn't earned it compared to other guys.

And if he plays against FSU the way he did against Florida then I think we all definitely need to reassess our opinion him.

I agree with your statement that he has been treated like royalty. But, he is a dynamic player that can help the team in multiple areas. Plus he is a team player and not an "I" guy. He has not been the heisman stud thus far that many have annointed him but I will go back to this being a team game. If there are no holes to run through then what do we expect him to do? When he is given the opportunity, he generally takes advantage of it. He is going to be a flat out stud IMO. I think all in all though, we are still working out kinks of the new offense. You can see it across the board. Back to the original topic, I would def rank our defensive players ahead of our offensive players. And to me it's not even close.

1. Porter
2. Perryman
3. Armbrister
4. Gaines
5. O'Donnell
6. Morris
7. Duke
8. Coley
So on and so forth

 

[TotesMagotes]

Porter and Perryman are our best players. We can definitely agree on that.

 

[2Focusd804]

Again I'm not saying one is better than the other. I would say Duke is better. What I'm saying is you can't just write off the fact that he's not very effective against good run defenses because of blocking.

He's a really good player. But he's not the best player on the team right now because they'd be 4-0 with our without him.
Duke has been treated like royalty around here and he hasn't earned it compared to other guys.

And if he plays against FSU the way he did against Florida then I think we all definitely need to reassess our opinion him.

we're 4-0 and our starting QB has played like 1.5 games total, and arguably our best player on defense in Bush has only played sparingly. I think we'd be 4-0 regardless of any 1 player on the team. and to discount run blocking when assessing a RB is crazy. of course oline play and florida dline dominated our oline in pass pro and run blocking. Notice a trend for when 'duke doesn't show up for the big game' our oline also gets dominated. and as far as Shaw, he had a starting oline blocking 2nd and 3rd stringers for the majority of the game so yes I think he had better blocking

 

[2Focusd804]

Again I'm not saying one is better than the other. I would say Duke is better. What I'm saying is you can't just write off the fact that he's not very effective against good run defenses because of blocking.

He's a really good player. But he's not the best player on the team right now because they'd be 4-0 with our without him.

Duke has been treated like royalty around here and he hasn't earned it compared to other guys.

And if he plays against FSU the way he did against Florida then I think we all definitely need to reassess our opinion him.

I agree with your statement that he has been treated like royalty. But, he is a dynamic player that can help the team in multiple areas. Plus he is a team player and not an "I" guy. He has not been the heisman stud thus far that many have annointed him but I will go back to this being a team game. If there are no holes to run through then what do we expect him to do? When he is given the opportunity, he generally takes advantage of it. He is going to be a flat out stud IMO. I think all in all though, we are still working out kinks of the new offense. You can see it across the board. Back to the original topic, I would def rank our defensive players ahead of our offensive players. And to me it's not even close.

1. Porter
2. Perryman
3. Armbrister
4. Gaines
5. O'Donnell
6. Morris
7. Duke
8. Coley
So on and so forth

Armbrister is 3rd and he's splitting reps with Figatron almost 50/50? and Pierre > Porter

 

[Duval904]

So then Shaw from usf had better blocking from WRs yesterday?

Come on man.

Would you trade Shaw for Duke?

Then stfu

You must have me confused with someone else.

My point was how do you explain Shaws effectiveness? Was it great blocking? Or is he just really good?

And if he didn't have great blocking what's duke's excuse?

How I was clearer this time.

Majority of Shaw's production was on one run.

Are you implying that Shaw is better than Duke?

shaw is the only offensive threat on USF
duke is one of many threats on UM

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