Todays scrimmage

[k9cane]

Same thing goofs said about Urban Meyers before he went to ufaag.

I guess according to some, unless you succeed at another power conference program, you can't possibly succeed at a place like UM. BTW, isn't the MAC a place where some of the best coaches of recent memory have learned their trade?

Last I checked, that's what good coaches do. They learned their trade at lower levels and move up up the ladder...

Franchise: Great example. I remember Alex Smith looking like Joe Montana in urban meyer's offense at utah, then looking like doo-doo in the Niners offense until Jim Harbaugh came along, then Smith looked like an elite QB again. Hmmm. Maybe good coaching does mean something.


k9: I totally disagree. Good coaches just land great jobs in their first job as a head coach. Sincerely, Paul Dee.

What's amazing is that Dee made the same mistake twice with Coker and Shannon

Look at UM's history, Jimmy Johnson came from Okie St, Dennis ERRickson from Wazzu- based on that, they never should have succeeded, I guess. These were run of the mill programs that played second and third fiddle in the Big 8 and Pac 10.

Not true, Dee's first mistake was extending Coker's contract the way in which he did it. Coker was hired not to ***** anything up. Dee was pressured to extend Cokers contract because Coker was being courted by other Universities when he won the way he did. Problem was just about anybody could have been brought up from Butch's staff to win that National Championship. The real test was keeping that momentum going the way Butch built it.

Randy was hired because Dee's hands were tied at that point in time. Coker was a dud and the football program had to have momentum. The only problem was you couldn't pay Coker's ludicrous contract and pay good money to a proven HC. Dee was stuck trying to get somebody for pennies on the dollar so he took a shot with Randy. Randy proved he wasn't cut out to a HC, Coker's contract expired, and Golden was brought in.

Dee should have given Coker a higher dollar amount contract that was negotiable annually. As soon as it became evident that Coker wasn't the man for the job he could have cut bait. Instead he was stuck Coker and Coker threw the staff under the bus once it was evident. But hey, hindsight is 20/20...

OK, Im not gonna argue this to death, but can someone please give me some real evidence that LLLLLLLLarry Coker was ever courted by another major program? Seriously, some real proof.

I mean, if the guy was any good, after a job like UM, he wouldn't have ended up having to settle for UTSA, for pete's sake( and that's after waiting a few years)

 

[Picksix]

The starting DE rotation should be Chick/Porter/Robinson/Pierre... I'm not in here crowning Green like he's a future all-american, he's just a solid role player, that deserves to have a role along the defensive line.

Also the pathetic depth issues at safety is why i wanted the coaching staff to recruit Artie Burns as a safety in the 1st place.... now we are in here worrying about Rayshawn Jenkins, Kc Rodgers, and AJ Highsmith.

If Artie Burns and Jamal Carter were both safeties the safety position wouldnt be a weakness at all.

The DE rotation is Chick, Porter, Robinson and Pierre? Do you mean 1st string D-line?

Also, it takes much more than just talent to play Safety at this level. Burns and Carter have very high ceilings and their future is bright but having two freshmen in the backfield is a weakness. Even Sean Taylor and Ed Reed were nobodies their freshman years. You start and rotate players like Highsmith and Rogers just because of the experience they have getting the secondary lined up properly.

How about we see how this defense looks before fans who have no clue what has happened this offseason start labeling everybody JAGS and Ballers? Since Golden has taken over there's been plenty of players who stepped up and surprised us. I expect the same this season.

 

[zone3cane]

We should wear orange on orange for every home game

Storm troopers for every away game

I agree w/ the all whites on away games b/c the white on orange away uniforms are terrible on top of how terrible these uniforms already are.

But i still like the orange on white at home games too..... Miami just needs to burn these uniforms after the season is over immediately.


The All White "pro combat" uniforms are the best imo.... Golden need to bring those back. (just the all white)

 

[Picksix]

I guess according to some, unless you succeed at another power conference program, you can't possibly succeed at a place like UM. BTW, isn't the MAC a place where some of the best coaches of recent memory have learned their trade?

Last I checked, that's what good coaches do. They learned their trade at lower levels and move up up the ladder...

Franchise: Great example. I remember Alex Smith looking like Joe Montana in urban meyer's offense at utah, then looking like doo-doo in the Niners offense until Jim Harbaugh came along, then Smith looked like an elite QB again. Hmmm. Maybe good coaching does mean something.


k9: I totally disagree. Good coaches just land great jobs in their first job as a head coach. Sincerely, Paul Dee.

What's amazing is that Dee made the same mistake twice with Coker and Shannon

Look at UM's history, Jimmy Johnson came from Okie St, Dennis ERRickson from Wazzu- based on that, they never should have succeeded, I guess. These were run of the mill programs that played second and third fiddle in the Big 8 and Pac 10.

Not true, Dee's first mistake was extending Coker's contract the way in which he did it. Coker was hired not to ***** anything up. Dee was pressured to extend Cokers contract because Coker was being courted by other Universities when he won the way he did. Problem was just about anybody could have been brought up from Butch's staff to win that National Championship. The real test was keeping that momentum going the way Butch built it.

Randy was hired because Dee's hands were tied at that point in time. Coker was a dud and the football program had to have momentum. The only problem was you couldn't pay Coker's ludicrous contract and pay good money to a proven HC. Dee was stuck trying to get somebody for pennies on the dollar so he took a shot with Randy. Randy proved he wasn't cut out to a HC, Coker's contract expired, and Golden was brought in.

Dee should have given Coker a higher dollar amount contract that was negotiable annually. As soon as it became evident that Coker wasn't the man for the job he could have cut bait. Instead he was stuck Coker and Coker threw the staff under the bus once it was evident. But hey, hindsight is 20/20...

OK, Im not gonna argue this to death, but can someone please give me some real evidence that LLLLLLLLarry Coker was ever courted by another major program? Seriously, some real proof.

I mean, if the guy was any good, after a job like UM, he wouldn't have ended up having to settle for UTSA, for pete's sake( and that's after waiting a few years)

You're looking at what transpired after the fact. Truth is Coker was a hot commodity when he took over Miami and didn't lose a game until the OSU debacle. Think about what you're saying for one second. Guy didn't lose a game for two years and you don't anybody was entertaining the idea of scooping him up in this billion dollar business?

 

[zone3cane]

The starting DE rotation should be Chick/Porter/Robinson/Pierre... I'm not in here crowning Green like he's a future all-american, he's just a solid role player, that deserves to have a role along the defensive line.

Also the pathetic depth issues at safety is why i wanted the coaching staff to recruit Artie Burns as a safety in the 1st place.... now we are in here worrying about Rayshawn Jenkins, Kc Rodgers, and AJ Highsmith.

If Artie Burns and Jamal Carter were both safeties the safety position wouldnt be a weakness at all.

The DE rotation is Chick, Porter, Robinson and Pierre? Do you mean 1st string D-line?

Also, it takes much more than just talent to play Safety at this level. Burns and Carter have very high ceilings and their future is bright but having two freshmen in the backfield is a weakness. Even Sean Taylor and Ed Reed were nobodies their freshman years. You start and rotate players like Highsmith and Rogers just because of the experience they have getting the secondary lined up properly.

How about we see how this defense looks before fans who have no clue what has happened this offseason start labeling everybody JAGS and Ballers? Since Golden has taken over there's been plenty of players who stepped up and surprised us. I expect the same this season.

yeah i meant to say D-line rotation....

and I agree that Miami needs KC and AJ b/c they are the only veterans we have at safety.... but i think having Artie back there would definitely add more depth so if someone isnt getting the job done then you can have more bodies to put more pressure on Deon, Jenkins, and everybody else to step their games up.

 

[k9cane]

Franchise: Great example. I remember Alex Smith looking like Joe Montana in urban meyer's offense at utah, then looking like doo-doo in the Niners offense until Jim Harbaugh came along, then Smith looked like an elite QB again. Hmmm. Maybe good coaching does mean something.


k9: I totally disagree. Good coaches just land great jobs in their first job as a head coach. Sincerely, Paul Dee.

What's amazing is that Dee made the same mistake twice with Coker and Shannon

Look at UM's history, Jimmy Johnson came from Okie St, Dennis ERRickson from Wazzu- based on that, they never should have succeeded, I guess. These were run of the mill programs that played second and third fiddle in the Big 8 and Pac 10.

Not true, Dee's first mistake was extending Coker's contract the way in which he did it. Coker was hired not to ***** anything up. Dee was pressured to extend Cokers contract because Coker was being courted by other Universities when he won the way he did. Problem was just about anybody could have been brought up from Butch's staff to win that National Championship. The real test was keeping that momentum going the way Butch built it.

Randy was hired because Dee's hands were tied at that point in time. Coker was a dud and the football program had to have momentum. The only problem was you couldn't pay Coker's ludicrous contract and pay good money to a proven HC. Dee was stuck trying to get somebody for pennies on the dollar so he took a shot with Randy. Randy proved he wasn't cut out to a HC, Coker's contract expired, and Golden was brought in.

Dee should have given Coker a higher dollar amount contract that was negotiable annually. As soon as it became evident that Coker wasn't the man for the job he could have cut bait. Instead he was stuck Coker and Coker threw the staff under the bus once it was evident. But hey, hindsight is 20/20...

OK, Im not gonna argue this to death, but can someone please give me some real evidence that LLLLLLLLarry Coker was ever courted by another major program? Seriously, some real proof.

I mean, if the guy was any good, after a job like UM, he wouldn't have ended up having to settle for UTSA, for pete's sake( and that's after waiting a few years)

You're looking at what transpired after the fact. Truth is Coker was a hot commodity when he took over Miami and didn't lose a game until the OSU debacle. Think about what you're saying for one second. Guy didn't lose a game for two years and you don't anybody was entertaining the idea of scooping him up in this billion dollar business?

Again, you're stating an opinion, but no facts, here....

 

[Picksix]

What's amazing is that Dee made the same mistake twice with Coker and Shannon

Look at UM's history, Jimmy Johnson came from Okie St, Dennis ERRickson from Wazzu- based on that, they never should have succeeded, I guess. These were run of the mill programs that played second and third fiddle in the Big 8 and Pac 10.

Not true, Dee's first mistake was extending Coker's contract the way in which he did it. Coker was hired not to ***** anything up. Dee was pressured to extend Cokers contract because Coker was being courted by other Universities when he won the way he did. Problem was just about anybody could have been brought up from Butch's staff to win that National Championship. The real test was keeping that momentum going the way Butch built it.

Randy was hired because Dee's hands were tied at that point in time. Coker was a dud and the football program had to have momentum. The only problem was you couldn't pay Coker's ludicrous contract and pay good money to a proven HC. Dee was stuck trying to get somebody for pennies on the dollar so he took a shot with Randy. Randy proved he wasn't cut out to a HC, Coker's contract expired, and Golden was brought in.

Dee should have given Coker a higher dollar amount contract that was negotiable annually. As soon as it became evident that Coker wasn't the man for the job he could have cut bait. Instead he was stuck Coker and Coker threw the staff under the bus once it was evident. But hey, hindsight is 20/20...

OK, Im not gonna argue this to death, but can someone please give me some real evidence that LLLLLLLLarry Coker was ever courted by another major program? Seriously, some real proof.

I mean, if the guy was any good, after a job like UM, he wouldn't have ended up having to settle for UTSA, for pete's sake( and that's after waiting a few years)

You're looking at what transpired after the fact. Truth is Coker was a hot commodity when he took over Miami and didn't lose a game until the OSU debacle. Think about what you're saying for one second. Guy didn't lose a game for two years and you don't anybody was entertaining the idea of scooping him up in this billion dollar business?

Again, you're stating an opinion, but no facts, here....

No you're right... a head coach that didn't lose a game until year #2 in a National Championship game was a hot commodity. That's why the AD felt pressure to give him such a wonderful contract extension. Because no one wanted Coker as their HC? Yeah, no facts there just opinions. I agree nobody wanted Coker when he was winning big Miami. Go on with that bullet proof theory of yours.

 

[jw410]

TEMPLE IS IN THE MAC
WE IN THE ACC
DIFFERENCE IN COMP LEVEL
SO WHATEVER GOLDEN DID UP THERE
CANNOT BE TRULY COMPARED TO HERE

Same thing goofs said about Urban Meyers before he went to ufaag.

I guess according to some, unless you succeed at another power conference program, you can't possibly succeed at a place like UM. BTW, isn't the MAC a place where some of the best coaches of recent memory have learned their trade?

Last I checked, that's what good coaches do. They learned their trade at lower levels and move up up the ladder...

Nick Saban sucks too because he started out in the MAC.

Chip Kelly was at New Hampshire before Oregon

 

[k9cane]

Not true, Dee's first mistake was extending Coker's contract the way in which he did it. Coker was hired not to ***** anything up. Dee was pressured to extend Cokers contract because Coker was being courted by other Universities when he won the way he did. Problem was just about anybody could have been brought up from Butch's staff to win that National Championship. The real test was keeping that momentum going the way Butch built it.

Randy was hired because Dee's hands were tied at that point in time. Coker was a dud and the football program had to have momentum. The only problem was you couldn't pay Coker's ludicrous contract and pay good money to a proven HC. Dee was stuck trying to get somebody for pennies on the dollar so he took a shot with Randy. Randy proved he wasn't cut out to a HC, Coker's contract expired, and Golden was brought in.

Dee should have given Coker a higher dollar amount contract that was negotiable annually. As soon as it became evident that Coker wasn't the man for the job he could have cut bait. Instead he was stuck Coker and Coker threw the staff under the bus once it was evident. But hey, hindsight is 20/20...

OK, Im not gonna argue this to death, but can someone please give me some real evidence that LLLLLLLLarry Coker was ever courted by another major program? Seriously, some real proof.

I mean, if the guy was any good, after a job like UM, he wouldn't have ended up having to settle for UTSA, for pete's sake( and that's after waiting a few years)

You're looking at what transpired after the fact. Truth is Coker was a hot commodity when he took over Miami and didn't lose a game until the OSU debacle. Think about what you're saying for one second. Guy didn't lose a game for two years and you don't anybody was entertaining the idea of scooping him up in this billion dollar business?

Again, you're stating an opinion, but no facts, here....

No you're right... a head coach that didn't lose a game until year #2 in a National Championship game was a hot commodity. That's why the AD felt pressure to give him such a wonderful contract extension. Because no one wanted Coker as their HC? Yeah, no facts there just opinions. I agree nobody wanted Coker when he was winning big Miami. Go on with that bullet proof theory of yours.

Again, no facts, just assumptions....

That's all Im saying.

I think those in the industry knew what many of us suspected all along, he was an incompetent buffoon that was propped up by a Pro Bowl team in Coral Gables

 

[rudebuddha]

Hate to break up the "I'm right!" "No, Fuuck you. I'm right!" Hate fest that long threads always seem to develop into.

Are we going to get a Chip/Giselle scrimmage report?
Any post scrimmage interviews with coaches and players?

 

[Picksix]

OK, Im not gonna argue this to death, but can someone please give me some real evidence that LLLLLLLLarry Coker was ever courted by another major program? Seriously, some real proof.

I mean, if the guy was any good, after a job like UM, he wouldn't have ended up having to settle for UTSA, for pete's sake( and that's after waiting a few years)

You're looking at what transpired after the fact. Truth is Coker was a hot commodity when he took over Miami and didn't lose a game until the OSU debacle. Think about what you're saying for one second. Guy didn't lose a game for two years and you don't anybody was entertaining the idea of scooping him up in this billion dollar business?

Again, you're stating an opinion, but no facts, here....

No you're right... a head coach that didn't lose a game until year #2 in a National Championship game was a hot commodity. That's why the AD felt pressure to give him such a wonderful contract extension. Because no one wanted Coker as their HC? Yeah, no facts there just opinions. I agree nobody wanted Coker when he was winning big Miami. Go on with that bullet proof theory of yours.

Again, no facts, just assumptions....

That's all Im saying.

I think those in the industry knew what many of us suspected all along, he was an incompetent buffoon that was propped up by a Pro Bowl team in Coral Gables

Like I said, you're right. When Coker was winning big there was no interest from anybody. Paul Dee just decided to give him that lucrative contract extension for ***** and giggles. Makes perfect sense...

 

[k9cane]

You're looking at what transpired after the fact. Truth is Coker was a hot commodity when he took over Miami and didn't lose a game until the OSU debacle. Think about what you're saying for one second. Guy didn't lose a game for two years and you don't anybody was entertaining the idea of scooping him up in this billion dollar business?

Again, you're stating an opinion, but no facts, here....

No you're right... a head coach that didn't lose a game until year #2 in a National Championship game was a hot commodity. That's why the AD felt pressure to give him such a wonderful contract extension. Because no one wanted Coker as their HC? Yeah, no facts there just opinions. I agree nobody wanted Coker when he was winning big Miami. Go on with that bullet proof theory of yours.

Again, no facts, just assumptions....

That's all Im saying.

I think those in the industry knew what many of us suspected all along, he was an incompetent buffoon that was propped up by a Pro Bowl team in Coral Gables

Like I said, you're right. When Coker was winning big there was no interest from anybody. Paul Dee just decided to give him that lucrative contract extension for ****s and giggles. Makes perfect sense...

Dee did it because he, once again, made a mistake in over-valuing a coach that wasn't all that good, IMO

Didn't mean there was an actual demand for him in outside markets. BTW, you don't have coaches who go on one year deals or without extensions. Lame-duck status for a coach is hurtful to a program

 

[rudebuddha]

Tough being a Miami coach.
Jimmy's 1st year here people wanted him tarred and feathered before shipping his corpse back to the sticks.
Erickson is still looked upon with distaste by many fans despite winning 2 National Championships.
Coker was a Shiit call away from winning back to back National Championships and everybody, except me, thinks he was terrible for us.
Randy? Well, he was an embarrassment, but if you look at it from a "half full" perspective, without Shannon we wouldn't have Golden.
Now, it seems divided down the middle between people who think Golden is great, and people who think the only difference between Golden and Shannon is eloquence.

Tough crowd.

 

[Picksix]

Again, you're stating an opinion, but no facts, here....

No you're right... a head coach that didn't lose a game until year #2 in a National Championship game was a hot commodity. That's why the AD felt pressure to give him such a wonderful contract extension. Because no one wanted Coker as their HC? Yeah, no facts there just opinions. I agree nobody wanted Coker when he was winning big Miami. Go on with that bullet proof theory of yours.

Again, no facts, just assumptions....

That's all Im saying.

I think those in the industry knew what many of us suspected all along, he was an incompetent buffoon that was propped up by a Pro Bowl team in Coral Gables

Like I said, you're right. When Coker was winning big there was no interest from anybody. Paul Dee just decided to give him that lucrative contract extension for ****s and giggles. Makes perfect sense...

Dee did it because he, once again, made a mistake in over-valuing a coach that wasn't all that good, IMO

Didn't mean there was an actual demand for him in outside markets. BTW, you don't have coaches who go on one year deals or without extensions. Lame-duck status for a coach is hurtful to a program

I fault Dee for losing sight of why Coker was hired. The Radio Charmin hire was a byproduct of the Coker fiasco. His hands were tied at that time.

 

[Osirus96]

Recruit safeties who can come in and challenge from day one. I know AG takes a few under the radar/developmental guys but i think we need to be after some of the best safeties in the country this year.

OK, Im not gonna argue this to death, but can someone please give me some real evidence that LLLLLLLLarry Coker was ever courted by another major program? Seriously, some real proof.

I mean, if the guy was any good, after a job like UM, he wouldn't have ended up having to settle for UTSA, for pete's sake( and that's after waiting a few years)

You're looking at what transpired after the fact. Truth is Coker was a hot commodity when he took over Miami and didn't lose a game until the OSU debacle. Think about what you're saying for one second. Guy didn't lose a game for two years and you don't anybody was entertaining the idea of scooping him up in this billion dollar business?

Again, you're stating an opinion, but no facts, here....

No you're right... a head coach that didn't lose a game until year #2 in a National Championship game was a hot commodity. That's why the AD felt pressure to give him such a wonderful contract extension. Because no one wanted Coker as their HC? Yeah, no facts there just opinions. I agree nobody wanted Coker when he was winning big Miami. Go on with that bullet proof theory of yours.

Again, no facts, just assumptions....

That's all Im saying.

I think those in the industry knew what many of us suspected all along, he was an incompetent buffoon that was propped up by a Pro Bowl team in Coral Gables

I love when people reply quote a half page :drevil:

 

[zone3cane]

Scrimmage report

[video=youtube;6aUmOvPETKk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aUmOvPETKk&feature=player_embedded[/video]

 

[fincane]

You can barely tell because of how badly edited the highlights are but it looks like on Dorsett's TD it was on Howard not the safeties. The Waters long TD was on our walk on Fentress. Overreacting throughout this thread.

 

[Cans4life]

You can barely tell because of how badly edited the highlights are but it looks like on Dorsett's TD it was on Howard not the safeties. The Waters long TD was on our walk on Fentress. Overreacting throughout this thread.

I think it was done on purpose as to not show the entire play.

 

[SmokeyRone]

No you're right... a head coach that didn't lose a game until year #2 in a National Championship game was a hot commodity. That's why the AD felt pressure to give him such a wonderful contract extension. Because no one wanted Coker as their HC? Yeah, no facts there just opinions. I agree nobody wanted Coker when he was winning big Miami. Go on with that bullet proof theory of yours.

Again, no facts, just assumptions....

That's all Im saying.

I think those in the industry knew what many of us suspected all along, he was an incompetent buffoon that was propped up by a Pro Bowl team in Coral Gables

Like I said, you're right. When Coker was winning big there was no interest from anybody. Paul Dee just decided to give him that lucrative contract extension for ****s and giggles. Makes perfect sense...

Dee did it because he, once again, made a mistake in over-valuing a coach that wasn't all that good, IMO

Didn't mean there was an actual demand for him in outside markets. BTW, you don't have coaches who go on one year deals or without extensions. Lame-duck status for a coach is hurtful to a program

I fault Dee for losing sight of why Coker was hired. The Radio Charmin hire was a byproduct of the Coker fiasco. His hands were tied at that time.

The Radio hire was ALL on Shalala, and her intentions were not in the best interest of the football program. LOL! Putting out the word he was impressive during the interview, while leach showed upo drunk in a hawaiin shirt and shorts, when even Dee admitted that Leach wanted the job, but was told he had to retain Randy and give him veto power over him.

 

[fincane]

You can barely tell because of how badly edited the highlights are but it looks like on Dorsett's TD it was on Howard not the safeties. The Waters long TD was on our walk on Fentress. Overreacting throughout this thread.

I think it was done on purpose as to not show the entire play.

Makes a lot of sense.

Tracy was beaten at the line or on a double move or a blown coverage by some one.