To all the Coach Coley haters

[Gamineal]

yep.....Al ****ed Coley yesterday with loading up his buddy with players and left coley hanging with no Rb or Wr depth.....

you can just see the hate

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

Rather then TOP, a better measurement would be average time allowed per drive (defense) and average time per drive for the offense.

 

[BWCD]

1. Provide the numbers on 3rd down %, provide the numbers on TOP. Compare apples to apples. Where should they be and where are they compared to the best and to the norm?

http://www.cfbstats.com/

With our defense, the 3rd down conversion % and TOP need to be "high" and "in our favor or tied" respectively.

3rd Down Conversion % in 2013 was 35%. It needs to be at least 48% or so for us to help this D out. Our Defense allowed 42.42% on the year to opposing offenses.

TOP was a battle we lost 34 minutes/game to 26 (rounded). Let's say an average drive lasts 2'ish minutes...if we even TOP out, then there are 4 possessions we gain offensively, and 4 more we take off the D's back. I like those odds.

By comparison--just using F$U, their 3rd Down Conversion rates O/D were: 52% and 32%. Their TOP was almost even: lost by 2 mins, 29/31.

2. Anyone who has listened to Golden's pressers after the losses, end of season presser, post NSD presser, heard him blame the offense for the defense's woes.

Did he ever say that "our offense was our biggest failure"? That's what you said. You act like he never said that we could have tackled better, that we need more turnovers, that we need more of a pass rush, that we need more of a push up front against the run...all things I know I've heard him say about the defense.

3. Never said the offense is where it needs to be. Just that it doesn't warrant Golden blaming everything wrong with the team on it. The offense was good. Not great, not incredible, just good. Above average. With an average D, we would have had 2 losses instead of 4, probably played in a better bowl and possibly won it. With a defense that matched our offense, we would be in a much better position than we are now.

I have zero issue with this. Given that our D was putrid and wasn't set to get any better...and the offense was supposed to be the best unit and our strength...that's what we needed to lean on, but couldn't.

To be clear, my gripe is hearing a HC trash his OC for the ****tyness of his DC. That's my gripe.

He didn't do that. Read it how you want, he didn't. You're bytching just to bytch.

And **** anyone who doesn't want a TD in :30 seconds of offense. Has ZERO to do with the D getting out and getting a 3 and out. Blaming an explosive offense for a putrid D is ****tyness personified.

When that offense isn't explosive on every single drive (which is an unreal expectation), then you leave the D on the field for 70-80 snaps. No defense plays well for that many snaps in a game...especially our sh1tty one. THAT is where I have an issue with us having to lean on being explosive. I'm glad we're explosive...I'm upset that we cannot be methodical. GOOD OFFENSES CAN DO EITHER ONE.

Show one direct quote where Golden says this.

Not directly, but he doesn't ignore it when he says the stuff I outlined above in pressers like tackling better/more turnovers/improve pass rush/more push up front/etc...I think he's pretty well aware, just as much as you, myself, or any Canes fan.

 

[canecountry3]

What games did the offense bail out the defense?

 

[JHallCanes]

#1 Coley Hater is Al Golden, anytime he is aked a question about the defense he brings a full out assault about how the offense has struggled but makes no mention how QB played thru injury, Duke got hurt down the stretch, and we lost Dorsett also. Just straight bagging on the offense any chance he gets, Defense is trending up tho...

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Best ******* post I have read in months.

 

[cowboycane]

#dale

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

What games did the offense bail out the defense?

Wake Forest. A 4-8 team. A team who lost to UL-Monroe. Scored 21 pts against us. Scored 0 vs Syracuse and only 3 vs FSU. We needed a last minute TD to win. They gained 350+ yds against our D.

North Caroline. A 7-6 team. Not near as bad as WF but no reason that they should put up 500 yards against us. We needed 2 4th quarter TD's to win, one of those, again, being a last minute TD. Thankfully we had a special teams TD, or we likely would have lost.

GaTech. (this is arguable either way) Another 7-6 team. Yeah, they got a garbage TD late, but it was still the offense that won that game. We gave up another 400 yds and 30 points. While our offense put up 550+ and scored 38.

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

Golden doesn't hate Coley. He tries to defend the defense even though he shouldn't.


Truthfully the offense does need to stay on the field more. But with that said the defense needs to get off of it more.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

You're god**** delusional if you don't know that he knows that the D sucks.

Here are some comments where he was presented the opportunity to express that.

Here's Al after the Louisville debacle.

Q Al, what does have to change going into next season defensively?



COACH GOLDEN: Again, we didn't give the defense a chance early in the game. I thought they were playing really well. They did a great job against the run. They were out there for too many plays and we didn't convert. I think we were 0 for seven at the half. Matt, there's a lot of things that have to change. We have to do better job coaching, we have to continue to build our program and just move forward and -- but, again, I think the defense was what was holding us in there in the first half and they were out there for too many plays.

Here's a direct question regarding the defense after the Duke loss and he deflects. Keep in mind, we scored 30 points, outgained them in yardage, outgained them in first downs and TOP was 32:00-28:00

On Miami’s re-evaluation of coaching defense:
“I think it’s fair to say we’re evaluating every component of [the team], every step of the way. That includes defense. There’s enough blame to
go around in this game. We didn’t punt the ball well. We weren’t good on kickoff returns. We had too many penalties. We didn’t answer. We
needed to answer them on offense, if it was going to turn into that kind of game, and we didn’t do it. It’s all three phases. The buck stops with
me. I have to get it fixed.”

After the FSU game

On the game in the third quarter...
"Had five plays on the first drive and an interception on the second one, if I remember correctly. We put our defense in a bad position; we just underthrew it. We had Stacy (Coley) on the long play and we underthrew it. Give them credit - they made all the plays, we did not and we turned the ball over twice."

On mixing things up on defense...
"We had two interceptions, we were in a 21-14 game and obviously we put the defense on the field too many times there in the third quarter ... third and the beginning of the fourth. That's a high powered offense, make no excuses, they executed better than we did. They hit too many - the kid (Jameis Winston) did a great job of hitting his second and third receivers and they made big plays on them. We got out of position and didn't leverage the football - obviously we have got to do a better job there."

After the VaTech game. Again, he goes to deflect immediately

On any systemic issues he sees with the defense…
“We need to help them on special teams and on offense. There are a lot of things we need to fix. We had too many guys open, we didn’t tackle well enough, we didn’t get off the
field, we didn’t get a red-zone stop, and we didn’t get enough pressure on the quarterback.”

Now, we all know that a subpar offense doesn't help, but actually hurts a defense. The same goes for a subpar defense not allowing the offense to get back on the field and establish a rhythm in a game. The problem I've seen in Golden's comments about the defense is that he is always deflecting or watering down criticism w/r/t the defense. He didn't do that with the offense. When they were not up to snuff, mistakes made, he didn't qualify it or sugar coat it by bringing in anyone else. It's just bull**** nepotism. Our offense was not bad. If someone can pull up the end of the year presser, iirc he hung alot of the defensive failure on anyone but the ****head DC.

 

[jmbflame21]

Subtract:

Morris- trash
Hagens - reliable
Hurns -Good
Henderson -Good
Linder - Good
Bunche - trash
Wheeler - reliable
Clements - reliable

Add:

Kaaya - Elite
Rosier - reliable
Yearby - Elite
Gray - Good
Berrios - Good
Brady - Good
Langham - reliable
Njoku - reliable
Herndon - reliable
McDermott - Elite
Darling - Elite
Linder - reliable

Subtacting 8
3 good
3 reliable
2 trash

Adding 12
4 elite
3 good
5 reliable

= Offense will be better. Coley will be better. Defense will be better. Miami will be better.

Sorry Im more of a jimmys and joes over Xs and Os guy.
Talent was a major issue with our senior class last year. This coming year, our seniors will be better, but still not elite. The year after that, in 2015, that is when we will have elite seniors, and talent from top to bottom on the roster. Then we will be able to compete with the college football elite.

 

[bolomite21]

Let's hope they make Coley the HC next year if the defense trends downward again. Guy has the look of a latin Nick Saban, but alot less uptight. Dale holmes!!

 

[dookie blaylock]

#1 Coley Hater is Al Golden, anytime he is aked a question about the defense he brings a full out assault about how the offense has struggled but makes no mention how QB played thru injury, Duke got hurt down the stretch, and we lost Dorsett also. Just straight bagging on the offense any chance he gets, Defense is trending up tho...

injured or not, morris is/was ******* awful. a gimpy ankle doesn't tell you to throw into double and triple coverage.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Need work on maintaining drives with first downs, but that's not the point.

YES IT IS!!! That's the whole freaking point! If you're an offense and suck at 3rd down % and TOP, then YOU SUCK. Just because you can hit a ball over the top 3-4 times a game doesn't make you a good offense.

The numbers, and my eyes, bear that out. We can't worry where we were ranked in comparison to the rest of CFB that much, because we don't have their numbers to play with on gameday. We only have what we put on paper. What we put on paper was an explosive offense that could not be methodical when they needed to be, and had to lean on the explosive play WAY too much. Guess what? When your drives are explosive, yes--they bring points. But when your D is 103rd in the nation at giving up methodical drives, your D's gonna play a lot of snaps. Way too many given how sucky our D is/was. We could have been at 100% Value, but if we only had 4-5 drives a game offensively because the other team held the ball and won TOP on a nearly 3-1 basis, then we're gonna lose...every single freaking time, with this defense...because they give up yards/points at an epic clip.

If your idea of a good offense is hitting the long ball when it's there, or Duke Johnson breaking a long run every few drives...then yes, by all means, we had a good offense. We could accomplish those goals, and did just about every game at least once.

My measurement of a good Pro-Style/Multiple-Set Offense (which is what we're supposed to be) is being able to drive the ball when we need to, and getting a short scoring drive when we can. We couldn't accomplish the sustaining drives piece of that measurement. Watch the NFL...when good offenses need a score with 5 minutes to go, most of the time...they're going to try to drive it down and use the clock while scoring. If they hit a big one...fine. But the goal is to keep the ball, control the clock, and get the winning score with as little time left on the clock as possible. Being able to do exactly that is what seperates the good offenses from the best offenses.

Plain and simple...you're using these numbers as just another way to bytch about Golden. The numbers support our D sucking, but it also shows that our O didn't do them any favors. Deny it all you want...but it's there. I can't help it if you can't see it, or don't want to see it.

The only 3 times we were methodical on O all season long were at the end of the UNC, GT, and Wake games. That's basically it. If not for doing that, we lose those games and are looking at 6-6 and a bowl game against Lehigh in outer Mongolia.

The offense was not our biggest failure as Golden claims.

Find me the direct quote where Golden said that the Offense was our biggest failure. If that's you're whole premise for this line of thought, then GFY.

You're god**** delusional if you don't know that he knows that the D sucks. That doesn't mean that he can't be real and say that the O has some pretty major work to do as well as far as becoming a true pro-style offense that can possess the football and make 3rd Down % and TOP go in our favor...which in turn helps the D play less, and do better in spurts instead of 70-80+ plays a game.

And to clarify on PUNIC's point...I'm not defending D'Onofrio. There's talent over there too, and the scheme squelches a lot of their playmaking ability. I'd dance a crazy jig if he were fired yesterday. But...Coley's not innocent either. Acting like this offense is what it should be, and using that delusion to attack Golden is simply disingenuous and ignores the numbers...or at least, bends them into what you want them to be...taking what works for your argument and ignoring the rest.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

quick question, who are the Duke's and Coley's talent equivalent on defense? Or at least close to them?

 

[umhurricano]

Unfortunately they both played at booker t last year

 

[mitchellorin]

Our offense wasn't horrible most of the year (besides RAB). It was a pretty frustrating team to watch... We had real issues getting short gains of like 3 or 4 yards. Way too many 3rd and longs.

 

[Miami82]

Subtract:

Morris- trash
Hagens - reliable
Hurns -Good
Henderson -Good
Linder - Good
Bunche - trash
Wheeler - reliable
Clements - reliable

Add:

Kaaya - Elite
Rosier - reliable
Yearby - Elite
Gray - Good
Berrios - Good
Brady - Good
Langham - reliable
Njoku - reliable
Herndon - reliable
McDermott - Elite
Darling - Elite
Linder - reliable

Subtacting 8
3 good
3 reliable
2 trash

Adding 12
4 elite
3 good
5 reliable

= Offense will be better. Coley will be better. Defense will be better. Miami will be better.

Sorry Im more of a jimmys and joes over Xs and Os guy.
Talent was a major issue with our senior class last year. This coming year, our seniors will be better, but still not elite. The year after that, in 2015, that is when we will have elite seniors, and talent from top to bottom on the roster. Then we will be able to compete with the college football elite.

So if this is true, the so called talent behind these guys should have been supplanting the starters if they are as good as you are stating. Shouldn't we have been seeing evidence of that this year? Or are you saying that Golden plays based on seniority vs better talent?

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

quick question, who are the Duke's and Coley's talent equivalent on defense? Or at least close to them?

Tracy and Deon.

 

[V-DawgCane]

Fat Al, the defense is on the field too much since we can't stop anyone dummy

 

[BWCD]

Here's Al after the Louisville debacle.

Q Al, what does have to change going into next season defensively?



COACH GOLDEN: Again, we didn't give the defense a chance early in the game. I thought they were playing really well. They did a great job against the run. They were out there for too many plays and we didn't convert. I think we were 0 for seven at the half. Matt, there's a lot of things that have to change. We have to do better job coaching, we have to continue to build our program and just move forward and -- but, again, I think the defense was what was holding us in there in the first half and they were out there for too many plays.

If you disagree with any of that, and think it's coach-speak, then you didn't watch the fargin game.

Here's a direct question regarding the defense after the Duke loss and he deflects. Keep in mind, we scored 30 points, outgained them in yardage, outgained them in first downs and TOP was 32:00-28:00

On Miami’s re-evaluation of coaching defense:
“I think it’s fair to say we’re evaluating every component of [the team], every step of the way. That includes defense. There’s enough blame to
go around in this game. We didn’t punt the ball well. We weren’t good on kickoff returns. We had too many penalties. We didn’t answer. We
needed to answer them on offense, if it was going to turn into that kind of game, and we didn’t do it. It’s all three phases. The buck stops with
me. I have to get it fixed.”

See the bold. If he were trying to excuse the defense, then he would have never even mentioned the defense in his answer. When you give up the rushing yardage that we did to Duke, there's no way to turn a blind eye to it. Just because he pointed out other things we didn't do well also doesn't mean he was blaming those things for the defensive performance.

After the FSU game

On the game in the third quarter...
"Had five plays on the first drive and an interception on the second one, if I remember correctly. We put our defense in a bad position; we just underthrew it. We had Stacy (Coley) on the long play and we underthrew it. Give them credit - they made all the plays, we did not and we turned the ball over twice."

On mixing things up on defense...
"We had two interceptions, we were in a 21-14 game and obviously we put the defense on the field too many times there in the third quarter... third and the beginning of the fourth. That's a high powered offense, make no excuses, they executed better than we did. They hit too many - the kid (Jameis Winston) did a great job of hitting his second and third receivers and they made big plays on them. We got out of position and didn't leverage the football - obviously we have got to do a better job there."

That last bolded part? That's referencing the D and how we got beat up front, and were out of position to make plays. I don't see how you can gripe about the parts you bolded if you watched the game. All true. Once again--it's not an excuse machine if what he's pointing out is true.

After the VaTech game. Again, he goes to deflect immediately

On any systemic issues he sees with the defense…
“We need to help them on special teams and on offense. There are a lot of things we need to fix. We had too many guys open, we didn’t tackle well enough, we didn’t get off the field, we didn’t get a red-zone stop, and we didn’t get enough pressure on the quarterback.”

REAL convenient that you bolded the first part (which was true...we turned it over on Special Teams twice in the first half against VT and our offense couldn't muster up a drive to save their lives. Then in the part that I bolded...he went on to name off a laundry list of things that the D did wrong.

Now, we all know that a subpar offense doesn't help, but actually hurts a defense. The same goes for a subpar defense not allowing the offense to get back on the field and establish a rhythm in a game.

Yep--those things go hand-in-hand, no argument from me there. If the D can't get off the field and give the O a chance--it hurts your gameplan offensively. I've never said that it doesn't...just that it goes the other way also.

The problem I've seen in Golden's comments about the defense is that he is always deflecting or watering down criticism w/r/t the defense. He didn't do that with the offense. When they were not up to snuff, mistakes made, he didn't qualify it or sugar coat it by bringing in anyone else. It's just bull**** nepotism.

That's your opinion, and feel free to have it. But with the stuff YOU quoted (and I just changed the bolding on a little), he DID criticize the defense.

Our offense was not bad.

Overall for the season? Maybe not. In those losses where we struggled to string a drive together and control the football? You bet your *** we were bad on offense. And the disturbing part is that we got worse on offense as the season wore on. We didn't improve. You can blame Duke/Dorsett being out for that, but we regressed offensively as the season wore on against quality opponents (You, I, and a trained group of spider monkeys could have housed UVA/Pitt pretty handily).

If someone can pull up the end of the year presser, iirc he hung alot of the defensive failure on anyone but the ****head DC.

And that's a point where I have contention w/Golden as well. The D sucking at epic record-breaking levels falls on him and on D'Onofrio. D'Onofrio coaches it and makes the calls, but it is Golden's defensive scheme that he used elsewhere before coming to Miami. It's on them.

But THE KEY thing you're missing here is that just because someone like me points out the deficiencies elsewhere on the team doesn't mean they're ignoring how tremendously terrible the defense is. It's not a mutually exclusive thing here.