To all the Coach Coley haters

[OzarCaneSaw]

and Doh'rito/GoRlden defenders, the more I read this site and dig deeper in their numbers, the more appreciative I am for Coley and the more derision I have for Golden keeping his ****headed BFF on staff.

The numbers don't lie. They remove the frustrations with our offense that as fans were amplified because of the under performing defensive side of the ball.

Bottom line, our offense was actually pretty good and we probably won 2-3 games more last year than we should have in spite of our defense. And in Coley's first year, versus Dip'**** in his 3rd. Somehow our offense was able to perform despite the cloud but our defense couldn't?

One of the measurements (F/+) has the offense #12, Defense #91
The S&P+ has the offense #5, Defense #89
Efficiency Index has the offense #14, Defense #92
Field position advantage has us at #24

If any of you'll cowards want the truth about how we actually performed last year, dig deep in the numbers. It's there.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/fei

 

[Kirijax]

Not sure which to hope for anymore. Another disastrous year so some changes are finally made? Of course not. Hope for the defense to be average and give the offense some room to do their thing? That has to be the bare minimum or Golden will have to make the cut or be cut himself. We can't go through another year like the past two.

 

[skyman]

#1 Coley Hater is Al Golden, anytime he is aked a question about the defense he brings a full out assault about how the offense has struggled but makes no mention how QB played thru injury, Duke got hurt down the stretch, and we lost Dorsett also. Just straight bagging on the offense any chance he gets, Defense is trending up tho...

 

[tsimonitis]

#yatusabe

 

[cane since birth]

Lets not forget to mention morris giving up at the end of the year

 

[BWCD]

Thought I debunked this one already??? I posted the following last week sometime.

At the end of the day, we were a one-trick pony thru the air on offense. End of story. We need to be better.

A true pro-style offense can be multiple, not just in sets, playcalls, spreading the football, etc...but more importantly it can be EITHER efficient or explosive when it needs to be. Your plays that you run to set up the explosive down-the-field shots need to be successful not only to set up the big one, but to keep the football and possess it (aka: methodical).

With our D sucking like it did the past 2 years, we didn't have an offense that could possess the football for 10+ plays at a time.

To get the whole story, look at the EX% (explosive drives) and the ME% (methodical drives) on the defensive metrics page. In 2013 DEFENSIVELY, we were 66th in the nation at EX% (meaning we were middle of the pack in giving up explosive plays - 13.2%). In ME%, our D was 103rd in the nation (18.4%), which means teams could go on long drives at will and we couldn't get off the field. Also, our defense gave up an unreal % of Value drives (VA% = % of opponent drives that reach at least the 30 - 45.2%), bad enough for 99th in the nation.

What sucks is knowing that we suck on D, and then expecting our offense to be explosive enough all the time to bail our asses out on D. Since our offense isn't methodical (NOTE--different from efficient) enough to do that, we had to lean on the explosive play, which didn't come often enough.

In order for us to win with this defense, our offensive numbers on EX/ME/VA% needed to look like South Carolina's (ranked 26/4/24). We needed to be more explosive, more methodical, and get more value out of our drives, which we didn't (6/85/32).

Look deeper into the metrics. Look less at adjusted effenciencies, and more at those EX/ME/VA%'s, because the explosive plays inflate the efficiency of the offense...it doesn't tell you anything about whether or not your offense can be more methodical with the football, and have high-value possessions.

Quit looking at the ******* roll-up totals and look at the detailed stats behind it. Doing that, watching the games, and having a lick of common sense will tell you what really happened.

All some people can see is "Ooh--pretty deep ball! We scored and it only took 30 seconds...Yay!"

Our D sucks. That's a given. Our O wasn't that far behind, especially given what the definition of being a multiple pro-style offense is supposed to be...and we ain't it.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

#1 Coley Hater is Al Golden, anytime he is aked a question about the defense he brings a full out assault about how the offense has struggled but makes no mention how QB played thru injury, Duke got hurt down the stretch, and we lost Dorsett also. Just straight bagging on the offense any chance he gets, Defense is trending up tho...

This is actually the biggest reason I posted this. To counter the anti-Coley propaganda spewed by big fat Al. This has to be understood by fans, players, recruits, boosters, etc. That Coley, in his first year, put a very good product on the field and that HIS offensive unit gave us 2-3 more wins last year than we probably should have had because of the absolute ****storm of a defense Doh'rito fielded. Somehow, despite "the cloud" Coley managed to give us one of the better offenses in CFB and Doh'rito (after THREE years) gave us one of the worst.

 

[BWCD]

#1 Coley Hater is Al Golden, anytime he is aked a question about the defense he brings a full out assault about how the offense has struggled but makes no mention how QB played thru injury, Duke got hurt down the stretch, and we lost Dorsett also. Just straight bagging on the offense any chance he gets, Defense is trending up tho...

Even with a healthy Dorsett/Duke, we could never consistently drive the football and keep our offense on the field (which *surprise* would mean our D isn't on the field).

Some of that is on the players--especially Morris' allergies to check downs or short/intermediate routes. Some of that is on Coley and his playcalling--when the stretch zone to the boundary isn't working, but the power up the middle is...OF COURSE you want to keep running the stretch zone to the boundary!

Deal with it folks--Coley isn't that much better than D'Onofrio. Our offense was still productive thanks exclusively to the explosive play, which is a testament to our talent on O. That's all well and good, but offenses with our talent level should be able to string together a 8-10 play drive, kill some clock, and still score in the process to give our D some relief (or give us some relief from our D, dunno which)......and we were incapable of doing that.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

Thought I debunked this one already??? I posted the following last week sometime.

At the end of the day, we were a one-trick pony thru the air on offense. End of story. We need to be better.

A true pro-style offense can be multiple, not just in sets, playcalls, spreading the football, etc...but more importantly it can be EITHER efficient or explosive when it needs to be. Your plays that you run to set up the explosive down-the-field shots need to be successful not only to set up the big one, but to keep the football and possess it (aka: methodical).

With our D sucking like it did the past 2 years, we didn't have an offense that could possess the football for 10+ plays at a time.

To get the whole story, look at the EX% (explosive drives) and the ME% (methodical drives) on the defensive metrics page. In 2013 DEFENSIVELY, we were 66th in the nation at EX% (meaning we were middle of the pack in giving up explosive plays - 13.2%). In ME%, our D was 103rd in the nation (18.4%), which means teams could go on long drives at will and we couldn't get off the field. Also, our defense gave up an unreal % of Value drives (VA% = % of opponent drives that reach at least the 30 - 45.2%), bad enough for 99th in the nation.

What sucks is knowing that we suck on D, and then expecting our offense to be explosive enough all the time to bail our asses out on D. Since our offense isn't methodical (NOTE--different from efficient) enough to do that, we had to lean on the explosive play, which didn't come often enough.

In order for us to win with this defense, our offensive numbers on EX/ME/VA% needed to look like South Carolina's (ranked 26/4/24). We needed to be more explosive, more methodical, and get more value out of our drives, which we didn't (6/85/32).

Look deeper into the metrics. Look less at adjusted effenciencies, and more at those EX/ME/VA%'s, because the explosive plays inflate the efficiency of the offense...it doesn't tell you anything about whether or not your offense can be more methodical with the football, and have high-value possessions.

Quit looking at the ******* roll-up totals and look at the detailed stats behind it. Doing that, watching the games, and having a lick of common sense will tell you what really happened.

All some people can see is "Ooh--pretty deep ball! We scored and it only took 30 seconds...Yay!"

Our D sucks. That's a given. Our O wasn't that far behind, especially given what the definition of being a multiple pro-style offense is supposed to be...and we ain't it.

Our FD rate was average, Methodical Drives are inversely related to Explosive Drives so that's a wash. Our Value Drives was in the top 25% of CFB. Gaining yards available to us we were in the top 30% of CFB. What was your complaint again? We had a good offense. Need work on maintaining drives with first downs, but that's not the point. The point being that with our offense last year, had we had an average defense, we would have won vs Duke and Va Tech. The offense was NOT the problem AT ALL! Contrary to everything that Golden says.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

#1 Coley Hater is Al Golden, anytime he is aked a question about the defense he brings a full out assault about how the offense has struggled but makes no mention how QB played thru injury, Duke got hurt down the stretch, and we lost Dorsett also. Just straight bagging on the offense any chance he gets, Defense is trending up tho...

Even with a healthy Dorsett/Duke, we could never consistently drive the football and keep our offense on the field (which *surprise* would mean our D isn't on the field).

Some of that is on the players--especially Morris' allergies to check downs or short/intermediate routes. Some of that is on Coley and his playcalling--when the stretch zone to the boundary isn't working, but the power up the middle is...OF COURSE you want to keep running the stretch zone to the boundary!

Deal with it folks--Coley isn't that much better than D'Onofrio. Our offense was still productive thanks exclusively to the explosive play, which is a testament to our talent on O. That's all well and good, but offenses with our talent level should be able to string together a 8-10 play drive, kill some clock, and still score in the process to give our D some relief (or give us some relief from our D, dunno which)......and we were incapable of doing that.

You're wrong, we were far above average in gaining yards available and driving to the opponents 30 yard line. There's work to be done no doubt, but the offense was NOT the reason we lost vs Duke and VaTech last year. The offense was not our biggest failure as Golden claims.

Add into what Coley means to us as far as recruiting is concerned, Golden is just shooting himself in the foot complaining publicly about COley's offense and defending his ****headed BFF.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

Just stop calling those stupid stretch run plays and use the middle of the field more often in the passing game.

 

[PUNCICANE]

There are Coley haters that defend D'onfrio?

 

[BWCD]

Need work on maintaining drives with first downs, but that's not the point.

YES IT IS!!! That's the whole freaking point! If you're an offense and suck at 3rd down % and TOP, then YOU SUCK. Just because you can hit a ball over the top 3-4 times a game doesn't make you a good offense.

The numbers, and my eyes, bear that out. We can't worry where we were ranked in comparison to the rest of CFB that much, because we don't have their numbers to play with on gameday. We only have what we put on paper. What we put on paper was an explosive offense that could not be methodical when they needed to be, and had to lean on the explosive play WAY too much. Guess what? When your drives are explosive, yes--they bring points. But when your D is 103rd in the nation at giving up methodical drives, your D's gonna play a lot of snaps. Way too many given how sucky our D is/was. We could have been at 100% Value, but if we only had 4-5 drives a game offensively because the other team held the ball and won TOP on a nearly 3-1 basis, then we're gonna lose...every single freaking time, with this defense...because they give up yards/points at an epic clip.

If your idea of a good offense is hitting the long ball when it's there, or Duke Johnson breaking a long run every few drives...then yes, by all means, we had a good offense. We could accomplish those goals, and did just about every game at least once.

My measurement of a good Pro-Style/Multiple-Set Offense (which is what we're supposed to be) is being able to drive the ball when we need to, and getting a short scoring drive when we can. We couldn't accomplish the sustaining drives piece of that measurement. Watch the NFL...when good offenses need a score with 5 minutes to go, most of the time...they're going to try to drive it down and use the clock while scoring. If they hit a big one...fine. But the goal is to keep the ball, control the clock, and get the winning score with as little time left on the clock as possible. Being able to do exactly that is what seperates the good offenses from the best offenses.

Plain and simple...you're using these numbers as just another way to bytch about Golden. The numbers support our D sucking, but it also shows that our O didn't do them any favors. Deny it all you want...but it's there. I can't help it if you can't see it, or don't want to see it.

The only 3 times we were methodical on O all season long were at the end of the UNC, GT, and Wake games. That's basically it. If not for doing that, we lose those games and are looking at 6-6 and a bowl game against Lehigh in outer Mongolia.

The offense was not our biggest failure as Golden claims.

Find me the direct quote where Golden said that the Offense was our biggest failure. If that's you're whole premise for this line of thought, then GFY.

You're god**** delusional if you don't know that he knows that the D sucks. That doesn't mean that he can't be real and say that the O has some pretty major work to do as well as far as becoming a true pro-style offense that can possess the football and make 3rd Down % and TOP go in our favor...which in turn helps the D play less, and do better in spurts instead of 70-80+ plays a game.

And to clarify on PUNIC's point...I'm not defending D'Onofrio. There's talent over there too, and the scheme squelches a lot of their playmaking ability. I'd dance a crazy jig if he were fired yesterday. But...Coley's not innocent either. Acting like this offense is what it should be, and using that delusion to attack Golden is simply disingenuous and ignores the numbers...or at least, bends them into what you want them to be...taking what works for your argument and ignoring the rest.

 

[BWCD]

Pointing out that the Offense could have been better at possessing the football and helped the Defense play less snaps isn't a copout defending D'Onofrio, it's a freaking provable fact.

 

[RiDLer80]

There are Coley haters that defend D'onfrio?

Golden.

 

[User-4525]

#1 Coley Hater is Al Golden, anytime he is aked a question about the defense he brings a full out assault about how the offense has struggled but makes no mention how QB played thru injury, Duke got hurt down the stretch, and we lost Dorsett also. Just straight bagging on the offense any chance he gets, Defense is trending up tho...

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[killacane]

#1 Coley Hater is Al Golden, anytime he is aked a question about the defense he brings a full out assault about how the offense has struggled but makes no mention how QB played thru injury, Duke got hurt down the stretch, and we lost Dorsett also. Just straight bagging on the offense any chance he gets, Defense is trending up tho...

this

Wonder if he realizes how this class would have looked without Coley...

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

Need work on maintaining drives with first downs, but that's not the point.

YES IT IS!!! That's the whole freaking point! If you're an offense and suck at 3rd down % and TOP, then YOU SUCK. Just because you can hit a ball over the top 3-4 times a game doesn't make you a good offense.

The numbers, and my eyes, bear that out. We can't worry where we were ranked in comparison to the rest of CFB that much, because we don't have their numbers to play with on gameday. We only have what we put on paper. What we put on paper was an explosive offense that could not be methodical when they needed to be, and had to lean on the explosive play WAY too much. Guess what? When your drives are explosive, yes--they bring points. But when your D is 103rd in the nation at giving up methodical drives, your D's gonna play a lot of snaps. Way too many given how sucky our D is/was. We could have been at 100% Value, but if we only had 4-5 drives a game offensively because the other team held the ball and won TOP on a nearly 3-1 basis, then we're gonna lose...every single freaking time, with this defense...because they give up yards/points at an epic clip.

If your idea of a good offense is hitting the long ball when it's there, or Duke Johnson breaking a long run every few drives...then yes, by all means, we had a good offense. We could accomplish those goals, and did just about every game at least once.

My measurement of a good Pro-Style/Multiple-Set Offense (which is what we're supposed to be) is being able to drive the ball when we need to, and getting a short scoring drive when we can. We couldn't accomplish the sustaining drives piece of that measurement. Watch the NFL...when good offenses need a score with 5 minutes to go, most of the time...they're going to try to drive it down and use the clock while scoring. If they hit a big one...fine. But the goal is to keep the ball, control the clock, and get the winning score with as little time left on the clock as possible. Being able to do exactly that is what seperates the good offenses from the best offenses.

Plain and simple...you're using these numbers as just another way to bytch about Golden. The numbers support our D sucking, but it also shows that our O didn't do them any favors. Deny it all you want...but it's there. I can't help it if you can't see it, or don't want to see it.

The only 3 times we were methodical on O all season long were at the end of the UNC, GT, and Wake games. That's basically it. If not for doing that, we lose those games and are looking at 6-6 and a bowl game against Lehigh in outer Mongolia.

The offense was not our biggest failure as Golden claims.

Find me the direct quote where Golden said that the Offense was our biggest failure. If that's you're whole premise for this line of thought, then GFY.

You're god**** delusional if you don't know that he knows that the D sucks. That doesn't mean that he can't be real and say that the O has some pretty major work to do as well as far as becoming a true pro-style offense that can possess the football and make 3rd Down % and TOP go in our favor...which in turn helps the D play less, and do better in spurts instead of 70-80+ plays a game.

And to clarify on PUNIC's point...I'm not defending D'Onofrio. There's talent over there too, and the scheme squelches a lot of their playmaking ability. I'd dance a crazy jig if he were fired yesterday. But...Coley's not innocent either. Acting like this offense is what it should be, and using that delusion to attack Golden is simply disingenuous and ignores the numbers...or at least, bends them into what you want them to be...taking what works for your argument and ignoring the rest.

1. Provide the numbers on 3rd down %, provide the numbers on TOP. Compare apples to apples. Where should they be and where are they compared to the best and to the norm?
2. Anyone who has listened to Golden's pressers after the losses, end of season presser, post NSD presser, heard him blame the offense for the defense's woes.
3. Never said the offense is where it needs to be. Just that it doesn't warrant Golden blaming everything wrong with the team on it. The offense was good. Not great, not incredible, just good. Above average. With an average D, we would have had 2 losses instead of 4, probably played in a better bowl and possibly won it. With a defense that matched our offense, we would be in a much better position than we are now.

To be clear, my gripe is hearing a HC trash his OC for the ****tyness of his DC. That's my gripe.

And **** anyone who doesn't want a TD in :30 seconds of offense. Has ZERO to do with the D getting out and getting a 3 and out. Blaming an explosive offense for a putrid D is ****tyness personified.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

You're god**** delusional if you don't know that he knows that the D sucks.

Show one direct quote where Golden says this.

 

[mwcane31]

Thought I debunked this one already??? I posted the following last week sometime.

At the end of the day, we were a one-trick pony thru the air on offense. End of story. We need to be better.

A true pro-style offense can be multiple, not just in sets, playcalls, spreading the football, etc...but more importantly it can be EITHER efficient or explosive when it needs to be. Your plays that you run to set up the explosive down-the-field shots need to be successful not only to set up the big one, but to keep the football and possess it (aka: methodical).

With our D sucking like it did the past 2 years, we didn't have an offense that could possess the football for 10+ plays at a time.

To get the whole story, look at the EX% (explosive drives) and the ME% (methodical drives) on the defensive metrics page. In 2013 DEFENSIVELY, we were 66th in the nation at EX% (meaning we were middle of the pack in giving up explosive plays - 13.2%). In ME%, our D was 103rd in the nation (18.4%), which means teams could go on long drives at will and we couldn't get off the field. Also, our defense gave up an unreal % of Value drives (VA% = % of opponent drives that reach at least the 30 - 45.2%), bad enough for 99th in the nation.

What sucks is knowing that we suck on D, and then expecting our offense to be explosive enough all the time to bail our asses out on D. Since our offense isn't methodical (NOTE--different from efficient) enough to do that, we had to lean on the explosive play, which didn't come often enough.

In order for us to win with this defense, our offensive numbers on EX/ME/VA% needed to look like South Carolina's (ranked 26/4/24). We needed to be more explosive, more methodical, and get more value out of our drives, which we didn't (6/85/32).

Look deeper into the metrics. Look less at adjusted effenciencies, and more at those EX/ME/VA%'s, because the explosive plays inflate the efficiency of the offense...it doesn't tell you anything about whether or not your offense can be more methodical with the football, and have high-value possessions.

Quit looking at the ******* roll-up totals and look at the detailed stats behind it. Doing that, watching the games, and having a lick of common sense will tell you what really happened.

All some people can see is "Ooh--pretty deep ball! We scored and it only took 30 seconds...Yay!"

Our D sucks. That's a given. Our O wasn't that far behind, especially given what the definition of being a multiple pro-style offense is supposed to be...and we ain't it.

If anybody watched the games then they could actually tell you that the QB hurt the Canes much more than Coley hurt them. Morris was terrible and has been since he started. I never bought into the hype even after last year's NC St game when 3/4 of his yards came on offsides by their D and their cb's quit playing.