Tim "Lice" Harris is a joke thread

[jruiz]

We have what? Two commitments from the "State of Miami"?? Doesn't sound like what Golden has been preaching at all.

To the people that keep posting this, which kids that have committed elsewhere do you wish we had taken? There's a clear elite group in So Fla this year.... the two we've taken, and the kids we're waiting on.

i agree but we just pulled a scholly from one and likely lost 6

This is all guess work at this point. Nobody knows the true story or its implications with MT.

This, think about it, if the staff thought that no Kirkland meant no six, they would've kept the door open

 

[The Franchise]

We have what? Two commitments from the "State of Miami"?? Doesn't sound like what Golden has been preaching at all.

To the people that keep posting this, which kids that have committed elsewhere do you wish we had taken? There's a clear elite group in So Fla this year.... the two we've taken, and the kids we're waiting on.

i agree but we just pulled a scholly from one and likely lost 6

I keep hearing that Thomas is automatically assumed gone because Kirkland decided he didn't want to be a Cane. Do you guys understand that UM gave Kirkland the OPTION of selecting UM? He said no.

I also keep hearing that Thomas and Kirkland are best friends or a package deal when I've seen no evidence of that at all.

Don't you guys think Al is smart enough that he talked to Thomas before they gave Kirkland the ultimatum? Do you think Al, as shrewd as he is in the recruiting game, might have approached Thomas and said, "We talked it over with Kirk a couple weeks ago and both parties decided he'd announce on Feb. 1 because scholarships are getting tight and we need an answer. We're going to talk to him today, and we're going to need to stick with that deadline we agreed to. If he says he can't commit and we have to move on will that affect your decision?"? Maybe Thomas and his family said, "No. Kirk's deal is Kirk's deal. His decision doesn't affect us."

 

[swdp12]

so are we all fans of young black men or not....im confused

The rest of us not as much as you are

 

[BALDYCHUTES]

With DK claiming he did not know who to trust, as opposed to just bashing UM, methinks Ice got between UM and DK.

What if ICE played big cheese and told DK he was cool with UM, told DK this and that, told DK that he could play hat game, told DK UM would wait, etc. when ICE had no basis to make such promises.

It sounds like ICE gave DK crap advice on how to handle UM, then DK followed that advice and got burned. ICE now is back-peddling and blaming it all on UM. If ICE told DK he could wait to commit, and UM never said so, then ICE is the **** and is throwing UM under the bus to save face.

Dunno.

Rumors going around now that Kirkland was missing up to 3 core courses. Barrow asked him if he was willing to prep or do summer school.....TFWIW.

Then why would Ice, who works at the school, go off on UM and the corching staff?

Great question....don't know. Just relaying.

 

[CaneCounty]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...usf-arkansas-ole-miss-20130131,0,7681936.post

Someone once said, "One man's trash, is another man's treasure."

Not to say that Denver Kirkland is garbage. He's a person, to be sure, a very large person, standing 6-foot-5, and weighing 330-pounds

But on Thursday night, as reported first by XOFan/CaneInsider on Twitter, the Miami Booker T. Washington offensive lineman was thrown out like the garbage by the University of Miami coaching staff. XOFan/CaneInsider also reported that the Hurricanes pulled the offer due to an over-signing of offensive linemen.

Manny Navarro of the Miami Herald reported that Assistant coach Michael Barrow told Kirkland that he was no longer being offered a scholarship by the 'Canes.

Navarro spoke with Miami head coach Tim 'Ice' Harris Sr., late Thursday night and Harris intimated that UM offered a sort of ultimatum to commit now, or else. Kirkland said he wanted to wait until National Signing Day. Barrow then said, UM was "moving in a different direction." (Link to Manny Navarro's story at Herald.com)

It was thought that Kirkland was most likely to sign Wednesday with his hometown Hurricanes, but not now. This has to make FSU fans quite giddy to hear the news.

It's been a tough week for Seminoles' fans, but finally some good news. FSU was a heavy favorite to land Kirkland prior to his cornerman and main FSU recruiter James Coley's departure to join forces with the Hurricanes. It was figured that Coley could sign, seal and deliver Kirkland to Coral Gables, but now it looks like Coley probably got strong-armed.

Kirkland quickly announced his new top four following the Miami diss, and he has FSU, USF, Ole Miss and Arkansas, where he will visit this weekend.

FSU head coach Jimbo Fisher was on an in-home visit to Prattville, Ala., Thursday night to try and talk some sense into recent FSU defector OL Austin Golson. Something tells me that if Jimbo could be at the airport gates in Miami tomorrow to see Kirkland off on his Arkansas trip, he'd be there as quickly as Air Seminole could fly him.

This could be the momentum swing FSU needed. Being slapped with two decommitments and a key coaching defection within 14 days of National Signing Day had the 'Noles reeling. This little booster shot could even mean highly-coveted linebacker prospect Matthew Thomas, Kirkland's teammate, may have different thoughts about Miami as he nears his decision.

Coley was also the lead recruiter for Thomas, but this is not likely going to sit well with the prized recruit. Thomas has always maintained that anything other players do has no determining factor in his eventual decision. Kirkland, however, didn't do anything here, and the move by UM might be seen as a strike against loyalty in Thomas' eyes.

The scholarship slight certainly didn't sit well with Booker T. assistant coach Tim 'Ice' Harris, nor his father, head coach Tim 'Ice' Harris Sr.

Junior was on his Twitter account afterward:

Tim Harris JR. @IceHarris:

I'll just let it be known that Denver Kirkland had NO academic issue. So, can that rumor just go away?

Tim Harris JR. @IceHarris:

SMH [Shaking My Head] This recruiting stuff is a mess. I just hope all these kids land in the place that's best for their futures.

So how much influence will a miffed Ice Jr., and his father and head coach Tim 'Ice' Harris Sr., have on other BTW players who are considering Miami both now and in the future? Something tells me a lot. Senior Ice knows the system and has seen many things in this business of recruiting, but the Kirkland drama is something he obviously considers to be quite unreasonable.

Kirkland later posted to his Twitter account.

Denver Kirkland @15HARLEM_BOSKI:

After Today I Trust No One But God! Things Happen for a reason



Stay tuned.

 

[NoahZach]

I dont really care what DK did(barring troubles with the law) or what his academics look like, I would still have let the scholie ride, and sort it out after NSD, the backlash from Ice, the influence on 6, and the PR nightmare are not worth it IMO, I dont care what point AG is trying to make. Well probably have some deflections in the off season, so why is the number crunch such a big deal, God forbid they oversign by one player. Even if he was a silent to the Noles, getting dissed on NSD isnt as bad as what has transpired recently.

This and only this. If he doesnt qualify then so what. That happens every year. Short of Kirkland taking a **** on the Miami hat I do not see any reason to create such a mess.

And that's the point--we don't see the reason, . . . but that doesn't mean it isn't there.

This staff has not given me reason to question them on their ability to handle recruiting and public relations. If anything, it is the exact opposite. So, the more logical conclusion is that there's something behind the decision that I don't know about and that something moust have been enough to convince the staff that this was the right course of action.

 

[CaneCounty]

smh at luther campbell

LUTHER R CAMPBELL ‏@unclelukereal1
Just posted a photo http://instagr.am/p/VMjIv5Ae2B/

 

[riceman]

Uncle Luke is as slimey as they come.

 

[sowba]

[video=youtube;OVLfzYkM6Lo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVLfzYkM6Lo[/video]

Golden and Co. (1) know what happened and (2) can explain to 6 what is going on and (3) didn't want or knew they wouldnt get kirkland. who knows why they didn't want him in the class, but whatever the reason it must have been a good one, which, as has been said here a lot, justified them putting an important SFL relationship in jeopardy. i don't think they would pull an offer unless they knew he wasnt commit. Theyre clearly not afraid of commits picking other schools over the U on nat'l tv, it happened a lot last year.
edit: war baby son of zorro

 

[tsimonitis]

I dont really care what DK did(barring troubles with the law) or what his academics look like, I would still have let the scholie ride, and sort it out after NSD, the backlash from Ice, the influence on 6, and the PR nightmare are not worth it IMO, I dont care what point AG is trying to make. Well probably have some deflections in the off season, so why is the number crunch such a big deal, God forbid they oversign by one player. Even if he was a silent to the Noles, getting dissed on NSD isnt as bad as what has transpired recently.

This and only this. If he doesnt qualify then so what. That happens every year. Short of Kirkland taking a **** on the Miami hat I do not see any reason to create such a mess.

And that's the point--we don't see the reason, . . . but that doesn't mean it isn't there.

This staff has not given me reason to question them on their ability to handle recruiting and public relations. If anything, it is the exact opposite. So, the more logical conclusion is that there's something behind the decision that I don't know about and that something moust have been enough to convince the staff that this was the right course of action.

How about this? DK was offered a sign and place at a prep, reasons 1. small class ok on OL this year 2. Grades will be close and don't want to chance it. Barrow communicated this to him and said if you want to be a Cane this is how it goes. Kirkland says no thanks, calls up Ice and says they pulled my offer. Ice goes off before calling Barrow or AG to get the story. Then Kirkland finally tells him the whole story and it is too late to back pedal.

 

[cane305]

At the USF game, I was sitting right behind the BTW group. During the whole game, I did not see 6 talk to Kirkland ONCE.

I think the package deal is a bit overplayed

 

[DiegoCane]

smh at luther campbell

LUTHER R CAMPBELL ‏@unclelukereal1
Just posted a photo http://instagr.am/p/VMjIv5Ae2B/

As far as I'm concerned Ice and Luke are in the same boat after this incident. Not hard to see what is going on here

 

[DiegoCane]

We have what? Two commitments from the "State of Miami"?? Doesn't sound like what Golden has been preaching at all.

To the people that keep posting this, which kids that have committed elsewhere do you wish we had taken? There's a clear elite group in So Fla this year.... the two we've taken, and the kids we're waiting on.

i agree but we just pulled a scholly from one and likely lost 6

I keep hearing that Thomas is automatically assumed gone because Kirkland decided he didn't want to be a Cane. Do you guys understand that UM gave Kirkland the OPTION of selecting UM? He said no.

I also keep hearing that Thomas and Kirkland are best friends or a package deal when I've seen no evidence of that at all.

Don't you guys think Al is smart enough that he talked to Thomas before they gave Kirkland the ultimatum? Do you think Al, as shrewd as he is in the recruiting game, might have approached Thomas and said, "We talked it over with Kirk a couple weeks ago and both parties decided he'd announce on Feb. 1 because scholarships are getting tight and we need an answer. We're going to talk to him today, and we're going to need to stick with that deadline we agreed to. If he says he can't commit and we have to move on will that affect your decision?"? Maybe Thomas and his family said, "No. Kirk's deal is Kirk's deal. His decision doesn't affect us."

Chise is like Al, he just gets it.

Golden is stone calculated in everything he does, some of you think he just dropped the ball on this one? Come on now.

 

[CaneCounty]

We have what? Two commitments from the "State of Miami"?? Doesn't sound like what Golden has been preaching at all.

premature post. wait until NSD

I'm just saying... This situation with BTW, and the fact we're now comunicating with more OOS kids... Doesn't look good.

I feel you but we must have some guys in the bag in the "State of Miami"..the drama of the week leading to NSD is epic. I wouldnt be suprised if 75% of this class is filled with South Florida kicks come wednesday night

 

[CaymanCane]

At the USF game, I was sitting right behind the BTW group. During the whole game, I did not see 6 talk to Kirkland ONCE.

I think the package deal is a bit overplayed

I'll second that, I was sat near them and they didn't talk. Seen a few people on twitter and other sites say they aren't all that close either. So hopefully it doesn't affect us with 6.

 

[tsimonitis]

We have what? Two commitments from the "State of Miami"?? Doesn't sound like what Golden has been preaching at all.

premature post. wait until NSD

I'm just saying... This situation with BTW, and the fact we're now comunicating with more OOS kids... Doesn't look good.

I feel you but we must have some guys in the bag in the "State of Miami"..the drama of the week leading to NSD is epic. I wouldnt be suprised if 75% of this class is filled with South Florida kicks come wednesday night

The one thing to remember too is that there is a difference between an OOS high school kid and a JUCO kid.

 

[Kn[]_[]ckles3o5]

We have what? Two commitments from the "State of Miami"?? Doesn't sound like what Golden has been preaching at all.

Saw these numbers somewhere.

70 dade and broward kids offered/committed to D1 schools and only a handful have offers to BCS contenders, Miami has offered most of the top players and should get 6 or more. Burns, Carter, Coley, Collins, one or both of the DTs, and maybe 6. Had Kirk in the bag if he could have qualified or there was room, depending on the story you want to believe.

So when it is all said and done Miami could get more than half of the best prospects in SF and that is after a decent season and still all this crap swirling around. Going into next year we have a lot of high profile guys already loving the []_[] and ready to fill the shoes of guys like Burns, Gall, and Stand recruiting for us from within the current class.

There's a chance we miss big and whiff on SF this cycle but, I can't believe that we will based on Golden's close last year and how upset Kirk was that we pulled his offer.

 

[lauderdaleballer]

See this is why I don't buy the burn bridges thing... See we killed RS for this... It happened under Coker and Butch... When coaches are upset they feel slighted and act emotionally frustrated... Now that being said, I think Harris has more leverage when it comes to oicing his opinions than some other coaches but that doesn't mean he's right in this instance... Hopefully all things get resolved soon....

 

[Biscuits]

so are we all fans of young black men or not....im confused

No. We're ******* not. We're fans of UM.

Tex's post was worded awkwardly, but not illegible. Those freaking out about it completely misread it.

 

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Funny thing is Kirkland himself talked about letting the coaches know by Feb 1 after his OV....so that's BS.

HELLO?!? THIS!!!