The Past Decade: Revealed

[Jaromir Jagr]

We haven't beaten a #1 seed in 8 years.

2016 - no games vs #1 seeds
2015 - lost to #1 Florida, lost to #1 Florida
2014 - no games vs #1 seeds (because we didn't make it out of a home regional)
2013 - lost to #1 Louisville
2012 - no games vs #1 seeds (because we went 0-2)
2011 - lost to #1 Florida, lost to #1 Florida
2010 - lost to #1 Florida, lost to #1 Florida
2009 - lost to #1 Florida, lost to #1 Florida

Even better.

So the 'we haven't beaten a 1-seed in 8 years' argument is basically the 'we haven't beaten two particular programs in the postseason that we've beaten plenty of times during the regular season' argument.

Um, yeah, not sure if you noticed, but we're trying to win in the post-season.

You reversed Florida's argument. In the early 2000's they would beat their chest about winning in February. Then we would eliminate them and laugh at them. Now we're so pussified that we think the way they used to. We think that a win on a Sunday in February means just as much as a win in Omaha in June.

We don't want championships. We just want high RPIs.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

We have been upset by a lower seed 12 times.

2016 - UCSB, Arizona, Boston College
2015 - Columbia
2014 - Texas Tech, Texas Tech
2013 - Oklahoma State
2012 - Stony Brook, Missouri State
2011 -
2010 - Texas A&M
2009 -
2008 -
2007 - Louisville, Louisville

It's stuff like this that invalidates your silly numbers.

The Boston College, Columbia and Texas A&M results meant absolutely nothing. We advanced. That's all that matters.

If we had beaten Florida last year in Omaha and still gone 1-2 would that have satisfied you? Would you not be here peddling some other anti-Morris number?

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

You cannot beat a higher seed when you are at the highest seed. If you lose to a higher seed after a 66-game season, that reflects the veracity of the seeding.

Frankly, during MOrris worst stretch, he was still a top 5 or top-6 coach.

During the past two years, he produced the second best squad in the country during both years.

With colossal constraints in scholarships, Morris made 1 Super in 6 years. He was definitively on the decline, but he "righted" the ship.

He surpassed all expectations the past two years.

So you admit that you were wrong when you said that three of my stats were factually incorrect? You can't say it, but we know.

Right, you can't beat a higher seed when you're a national seed, but you sure can lose to #2 seeds and #3 seeds, and we prove that over and over. When we ARE a lower seed, it's game over. We have no shot.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

5 games, by the way...not 2. 1-4 stinks in Omaha the past 2 years.

3 games out of 67 is very close to 2 out of 64.

Same small sample and same ridiculous conclusions.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

We have been upset by a lower seed 12 times.

2016 - UCSB, Arizona, Boston College
2015 - Columbia
2014 - Texas Tech, Texas Tech
2013 - Oklahoma State
2012 - Stony Brook, Missouri State
2011 -
2010 - Texas A&M
2009 -
2008 -
2007 - Louisville, Louisville

It's stuff like this that invalidates your silly numbers.

The Boston College, Columbia and Texas A&M results meant absolutely nothing. We advanced. That's all that matters.

If we had beaten Florida last year in Omaha and still gone 1-2 would that have satisfied you? Would you not be here peddling some other anti-Morris number?

LOL, you know we're not beating Florida in the post-season, Mr. Probability. Let's leave out the fantasy scenarios.

The best thing you can come up with when I point out 12 upsets is "uh uh!! It's only 9!!!" Great retort, dude. Only 9 upsets, not 12. Crown Morris.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

All we can do is hope he some how pulls it together with next year's squad and gets back to Omaha and realizes that something has to be done differently in order to get a different result.

See?

Something different has to be done with two 50-win teams that earned national seeds.

And you say this because you cherry-pick 3% of the results and draw far out conclusions from them.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

We haven't beaten a #1 seed in 8 years.

2016 - no games vs #1 seeds
2015 - lost to #1 Florida, lost to #1 Florida
2014 - no games vs #1 seeds (because we didn't make it out of a home regional)
2013 - lost to #1 Louisville
2012 - no games vs #1 seeds (because we went 0-2)
2011 - lost to #1 Florida, lost to #1 Florida
2010 - lost to #1 Florida, lost to #1 Florida
2009 - lost to #1 Florida, lost to #1 Florida

Even better.

So the 'we haven't beaten a 1-seed in 8 years' argument is basically the 'we haven't beaten two particular programs in the postseason that we've beaten plenty of times during the regular season' argument.

...so, are you implying that beating Louisville/U*** in the regular season somehow wipes out our bad performances against them in postseason play (when we're chasing a national title)? Sure sounds like it.

Just because you don't like postseason play and the format in Omaha is no reason to downgrade it.

Yep, every game means the same. We lost to Florida in June? So what. We beat them once in February. Nothing to see here.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

All we can do is hope he some how pulls it together with next year's squad and gets back to Omaha and realizes that something has to be done differently in order to get a different result.

See?

Something different has to be done with two 50-win teams that earned national seeds.

And you say this because you cherry-pick 3% of the results and draw far out conclusions from them.

When you fail at the same 3% every year, wouldn't it stand to reason that maybe you might want to see what you could do differently? If STA lost in the regional finals for four straight years, would the coaches (not you, the coaches) talk about what needs to improve in order to take the next step?

 

[Brian Piccolo]

Your "best team" is arbitrary based on a season up to a point, and subjective due to your belief in who's ranked #1 is the "best team" before the whole season has been played (note - postseason IS a part of the whole season).

No it's not. It's based on all the standard measures that are used in the sport. You could pick the # 1 team in the human polls, RPI, ISR, ELO, NCAA Tournament seeds, etc.

The best team (or even teams plural) never win this thing.

I could've given you 15 choices this year and last year and you never would have picked the right team.

You apparently don't know what arbitrary means either.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

(note - postseason IS a part of the whole season)

By definition you can't use postseason results to seed the field.

So it's irrelevant.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

My best team is objective because they're the ones with the trophy that crowns them champions at the end of the whole season (postseason included).

There are plenty of really stupid objective measures.

This is definitely one of them.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

5 games, by the way...not 2. 1-4 stinks in Omaha the past 2 years.

3 games out of 67 is very close to 2 out of 64.

Same small sample and same ridiculous conclusions.

What about two wins in ten years? At what point is Hechticcolo able to look at a long-term body of work and realize that we just don't get it done in the post-season?

 

[Brian Piccolo]

...so, are you implying that beating Louisville/U*** in the regular season somehow wipes out our bad performances against them in postseason play (when we're chasing a national title)?

Of course not.

You're just really terrible at pretty much everything.

I'm saying that we've beaten those teams before. The fanboy premise that we can't beat good teams or that we are incapable of beating certain teams is wrong.

If you can beat a team in the regular season you can beat them any time. We just didn't those times.

There's a difference between can't and didn't.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

My best team is objective because they're the ones with the trophy that crowns them champions at the end of the whole season (postseason included).

There are plenty of really stupid objective measures.

This is definitely one of them.

Still waiting for you to nail down the date when the UM baseball coaching staff and fan base stopped believing that a championship could be obtained by a great program and is only won by teams whose lottery ticket is pulled that particular year.

Because we didn't used to think that way. It only became a talking point when Morrisville stopped winning and people needed to save him.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

Just because you don't like postseason play and the format in Omaha is no reason to downgrade it.

I love it.

It's fun and dramatic.

It's just awful at getting the best teams to Omaha and then getting the best teams there to the championship.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

...so, are you implying that beating Louisville/U*** in the regular season somehow wipes out our bad performances against them in postseason play (when we're chasing a national title)?

Of course not.

You're just really terrible at pretty much everything.

I'm saying that we've beaten those teams before. The fanboy premise that we can't beat good teams or that we are incapable of beating certain teams is wrong.

If you can beat a team in the regular season you can beat them any time. We just didn't those times.

There's a difference between can't and didn't.

LOL, but we didn't, and that's all that matters. We "didn't" for 15 straight years. But that's okay because Coastal.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

My god. When did we start justifying post-season failures because we "coulda beat em, we just didn't, delusional fanboy".

The things you people put in writing.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

If STA lost in the regional finals for four straight years, would the coaches (not you, the coaches) talk about what needs to improve in order to take the next step?

They actually did lose in the state championship 3 years in a row.....and didn't change anything. They trusted the process and it worked out in the long run as most good processes do.

Good managers in any walk of life understand that sometimes the right move is no move at all.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

Still waiting for you to nail down the date when the UM baseball coaching staff and fan base stopped believing that a championship could be obtained by a great program and is only won by teams whose lottery ticket is pulled that particular year.

I don't know since I never said that.

Sounds like one of your typical lies.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

It only became a talking point when Morrisville stopped winning and people needed to save him.

And yet more arguments that would have made sense in 2012 but look silly today.

Getting to Omaha is winning.

No rational person would say otherwise.