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He refuted your point, not proved it.

Threads like these keep one grounded because the lack of mathematical comprehension exhibited by these 4 posters is astounding.
 
Give me a list of the 5 best coaches in the NCAA and I will post their results head-to-head against Morris between 2009 and 2016, which is Morris' worst stretch. He will be top 4 at worst and maybe even #2 .

Compare Morris to other coaches. Any other argument has zero merit.
 
Brian Piccolo said:
Jaromir Jagr said:
We've won 2 games in Omaha in 10 years.
We haven't beaten a #1 seed in 8 years.
We have been upset by a lower seed 12 times.
We have beaten a higher seed 0 times.
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Laughably cobbled together numbers.

Other than your first claim who cares about those numbers?

Who judges their program on the number of higher seeds they beat? Especially when the goal is to be a 1-seed all the time?

Your measurements are complete garbage.
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Great points. Why would we ever want to play well against the other top teams during the post-season? Why would we ever want to knock off a better team? Why would we want to hold serve and win as the better team?

It's much better to always lose to the top teams, never step up and beat anyone seeded higher, and lose to lower seeded teams darn near every year. That way there's no pressure and we can just blame it on "random" while pointing at our new Coastal banner.
 
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BWCD said:
I'm not valuing a whole season. I'm valuing our performance in Omaha these past 2 years, and our value has been exactly ****.
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That's fine by itself.

We played poorly in two games in Omaha.

Valid.

It's when people try to draw far reaching conclusions from that is where it gets silly.
 
canesproponent said:
He refuted your point, not proved it.

Threads like these keep one grounded because the lack of mathematical comprehension exhibited by these 4 posters is astounding.
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We get the math, guys. We also use our eyes and observe the on-field product to see the context of it all as well.

Name one spot in this this thread (or any this year) where I've called for Morris's firing. I've not. It's a moot point anyway because he's retiring in 2 years.

I'm not calling for his firing. I'm just positing, based solely on our last 2 Omaha trips (note - not regular season, not whatever other split statistic you want to cite), that Morris is having trouble getting his team to perform once they get to Omaha.

Your retort (and Diccolo's) is that Omaha's format sucks, and the games there are more random than regular games. That's fine if you think that, but guess what? It's the format we have, and when we get to Omaha, they're not going to make it so it's less random or a more representative sample anytime soon.

Given the format we have, and knowing that it's not changing to fit your statistical demands on it, Morris and his teams have not performed well the past 2 years at Omaha. There is no getting around that simple fact. Given that it is a fact, there is no harm in discussing it, and having a valid Q&A about why that is, and even questioning Morris's methods is fine to do, regardless of the regular season stats or anything else you want to toss out there to defend him.
 
Jaromir Jagr said:
We've won 2 games in Omaha in 10 years.
We haven't beaten a #1 seed in 8 years.
We have been upset by a lower seed 12 times.
We have beaten a higher seed 0 times.
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After this challenge..."Bell Hop - The ONLY correct fact that you quoted is 2 games in Omaha in 10 years. The rest is false."....let's break it down for stat boy.

We haven't beaten a #1 seed in 8 years.

2016 - no games vs #1 seeds
2015 - lost to #1 Florida, lost to #1 Florida
2014 - no games vs #1 seeds (because we didn't make it out of a home regional)
2013 - lost to #1 Louisville
2012 - no games vs #1 seeds (because we went 0-2)
2011 - lost to #1 Florida, lost to #1 Florida
2010 - lost to #1 Florida, lost to #1 Florida
2009 - lost to #1 Florida, lost to #1 Florida

We have been upset by a lower seed 12 times.

2016 - UCSB, Arizona, Boston College
2015 - Columbia
2014 - Texas Tech, Texas Tech
2013 - Oklahoma State
2012 - Stony Brook, Missouri State
2011 -
2010 - Texas A&M
2009 -
2008 -
2007 - Louisville, Louisville

We have beaten a higher seed 0 times.

Not much to explain here. Every time we have played a higher seed we have lost.


Now, will you be a man and admit that you were wrong?
 
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Brian Piccolo said:
BWCD said:
I'm not valuing a whole season. I'm valuing our performance in Omaha these past 2 years, and our value has been exactly ****.
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That's fine by itself.

We played poorly in two games in Omaha.

Valid.

It's when people try to draw far reaching conclusions from that is where it gets silly.
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5 games, by the way...not 2. 1-4 stinks in Omaha the past 2 years.

And again - I'm not calling for Morris to get fired. He has job security for 2 reasons:

1) His recent regular season success
2) He's retiring in 2 years anyway

...so calling for Morris's head does no good now. All we can do is hope he some how pulls it together with next year's squad and gets back to Omaha and realizes that something has to be done differently in order to get a different result.
 
canesproponent said:
Compare Morris to other coaches. Any other argument has zero merit.
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Look at this guy trying to corner the discussion and frame it in his nice little box. You don't get to dictate terms to the rest of us or unilaterally decide what does or does not hold merit.

That's not how life works, hoss.
 
Jaromir Jagr said:
Why would we ever want to play well against the other top teams during the post-season?
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Because (1) the goal is to never play a higher seed and (2) who you play down the line is, wait for it, random. We can't control whether we even play a 1-seed.

We could've won the national championship this year and not played a 1-seed.

Your measures are just silly nitpicky criteria that you cobbled together because you knew they'd make your preconceived point.
 
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Brian Piccolo said:
Jaromir Jagr said:
Why would we ever want to play well against the other top teams during the post-season?
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Because (1) the goal is to never play a higher seed and (2) who you play down the line is, wait for it, random. We can't control whether we even play a 1-seed.

We could've won the national championship this year and not played a 1-seed.

Your measures are just silly nitpicky criteria that you cobbled together because you knew they'd make your preconceived point.
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No, see, I'm not talking about what we "could have" done. I am talking about what we have done. Who cares how we get to a particular team in the post-season? When we play higher seeded teams, we lose 100% of the time. When we play lower seeded teams, we have a mediocre record. Nine losses to lower seeded teams in the past five years.

Again, why would we want to play well in the post-season, right?
 
Brian Piccolo said:
BWCD said:
]We get the math, guys.
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No you don't.

You said the best team always wins.

You are the last person who should be saying this. In fact I'm surprised that you even came back after that ridiculous claim.
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Your "best team" is arbitrary based on a season up to a point, and subjective due to your belief in who's ranked #1 is the "best team" before the whole season has been played (note - postseason IS a part of the whole season).

My best team is objective because they're the ones with the trophy that crowns them champions at the end of the whole season (postseason included).

It's fine if you don't like the system, but that's the one we've got to crown the champions and the best team. If you want to continue with arbitrary and subjective claims based on who you "feel" is the "best team", then we can't take you seriously, ever.
 
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Jaromir Jagr said:
We haven't beaten a #1 seed in 8 years.

2016 - no games vs #1 seeds
2015 - lost to #1 Florida, lost to #1 Florida
2014 - no games vs #1 seeds (because we didn't make it out of a home regional)
2013 - lost to #1 Louisville
2012 - no games vs #1 seeds (because we went 0-2)
2011 - lost to #1 Florida, lost to #1 Florida
2010 - lost to #1 Florida, lost to #1 Florida
2009 - lost to #1 Florida, lost to #1 Florida
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Even better.

So the 'we haven't beaten a 1-seed in 8 years' argument is basically the 'we haven't beaten two particular programs in the postseason that we've beaten plenty of times during the regular season' argument.
 
You cannot beat a higher seed when you are at the highest seed. If you lose to a higher seed after a 66-game season, that reflects the veracity of the seeding.

Frankly, during MOrris worst stretch, he was still a top 5 or top-6 coach.

During the past two years, he produced the second best squad in the country during both years.

With colossal constraints in scholarships, Morris made 1 Super in 6 years. He was definitively on the decline, but he "righted" the ship.

He surpassed all expectations the past two years.
 
Brian Piccolo said:
Jaromir Jagr said:
We haven't beaten a #1 seed in 8 years.

2016 - no games vs #1 seeds
2015 - lost to #1 Florida, lost to #1 Florida
2014 - no games vs #1 seeds (because we didn't make it out of a home regional)
2013 - lost to #1 Louisville
2012 - no games vs #1 seeds (because we went 0-2)
2011 - lost to #1 Florida, lost to #1 Florida
2010 - lost to #1 Florida, lost to #1 Florida
2009 - lost to #1 Florida, lost to #1 Florida
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Even better.

So the 'we haven't beaten a 1-seed in 8 years' argument is basically the 'we haven't beaten two particular programs in the postseason that we've beaten plenty of times during the regular season' argument.
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...so, are you implying that beating Louisville/U*** in the regular season somehow wipes out our bad performances against them in postseason play (when we're chasing a national title)? Sure sounds like it.

Just because you don't like postseason play and the format in Omaha is no reason to downgrade it.
 
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