Official The OC Candidates Thread 2.0

[Mr. Dynasty1]

Taco Hot Dog
Kyle Trash
Jalen Hurts

What's amazing is the job he did with making Taco Hot Dog and Kyle Trash look like competent QBs in his tenure at Florida University.
Then then tremendous work he did with Jalen Hurts.

Enough said. He can tailor his offense for TVD or for Jacurri.
AND THE RUNNING GAME.

OC/QBC and pay him north of 2 million a year, he's worth it.

But also, find someone else, let my Birds promote him to OC.

****, I'm stuck in between a rock and a hard place!

I guess my worry is how much of that can be attributed to the offensive guys he’s worked with. Is he ready to run his own show?

 

[MedleyCane]

Ignore me if its been mentioned as I've only been paying attention here for 2 days now.. but assuming the OC coaches QBs - a good option for WR coach will be Adam Henry from Indiana. He's been with the Cowboys, Browns, Giants, 49ers, Raiders, and at LSU. Coached OBJ, Landry, CeeDee Lamb, etc.

Tons of connection to the staff:
1 - Played 1990-1993 at McNeese State - same exact time frame that Lance Guidry played there
2 - Coached at McNeese State from 1997-2006 - Guidry was there from 2000 to 2003. Henry recruited several players from Guidry's HS programs he was coaching at from 1997-1999.
3 - With the Cleveland Browns in 2018 and 2019 - same exact time frame that Alonzo Highsmith was VP of Player Personnel.

Obviously there's also some overlap with Doug Nussmeier in Dallas - however, talking to Nuss could have been a way of vetting Henry for our staff as well and had nothing to do with Nuss as OC.

See this is the type of post which I love....very informative with lots of connecting of dots, in this case the dots being the coaches to coaching trees. Very informative when you consider coaches tend never to stray far from coaching trees.

 

[harphong]

If we don’t have an OC by the weekend I might take a trip down to the French Quarter and first try not to get mugged or shot and if I accomplish that have one of those Voodoo Queens read some Tarot Cards and see if she can figure out who the next OC will be….if that doesn’t work have her throw some chicken bones and monkey paws on the table and put a hex on Mario to get his *** to decide on someone…..

STAY OFF THAT MONKEY PAW!

 

[JayCane20]

See this is the type of post which I love....very informative with lots of connecting of dots, in this case the dots being the coaches to coaching trees. Very informative when you consider coaches tend never to stray far from coaching trees.

Yep very rare that any coach makes a hire where you can't easily connect dots.

Mario to Steele was easy

Mario to Gattis was through Saban. Don't think he got enough info from Saban to connect the dots to know the terms the guy was leaving these places. Lack of connection wasn't the only reason it failed but it's likely the reason for the lack of a true background and why the red flags didn't come up.

I met Josh Pate in Knoxville this year and we talked about Gattis for half an hour. He knew it wasn't going to work because he's got several connections who immediately reached out (most notably James Franklin and Ricky Rahne - 2 FBS head coaches tying back to Penn State) to him and said this isn't going to work like they think it is (Gattis to Miami). And it was more than just those 2 that told him that.

 

[TRick72]

My turn:

Larry Johnson

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50 years of coaching experience
Asst HC at T-OSU (well respected)
9 first round draft picks
Coached Heisman finalist & award winners

Meow tell me he isn't the man for the job!

Spoiler

Take him as OC 100 times out of 100 instead Pussmeier

 

[MaketheUgreatagain]

Yep very rare that any coach makes a hire where you can't easily connect dots.

Mario to Steele was easy

Mario to Gattis was through Saban. Don't think he got enough info from Saban to connect the dots to know the terms the guy was leaving these places. Lack of connection wasn't the only reason it failed but it's likely the reason for the lack of a true background and why the red flags didn't come up.

I met Josh Pate in Knoxville this year and we talked about Gattis for half an hour. He knew it wasn't going to work because he's got several connections who immediately reached out (most notably James Franklin and Ricky Rahne - 2 FBS head coaches tying back to Penn State) to him and said this isn't going to work like they think it is (Gattis to Miami). And it was more than just those 2 that told him that.

Pate alluded to this after the MTSU nightmare... seems like nobody was confident in this marriage and everyone knew he was a walking red glad except Mario smh

 

[cway313]

Yes.

Am I familiar with the source?

 

[PIPO]

I haven’t really given my thoughts on Johnson because I figure it’s a longshot, but it’d be a risk. Could it pay off? Of course. But it could also be a flop. He is obviously a phenomenal QB Coach, but his results as a play caller seem to be average on paper. The big year at Florida with Trask, do we give that to him or Mullen?

The hope would be that he has learned a good bit with the Eagles, gets TVD back on track, and calls plays to his strengths. I think he’d get us in the mix to land a top tier QB for this cycle too because he has a ton to sell as a QB Coach but obviously that would ultimately depend on our performance.

I just don’t know with him. Yeah, we could do much worse but it’d be wait and see for me just based on his history as an OC.

Yeah, I totally get what your saying which is why if someone like Mullen told Mario to go get him, I would trust that.

Johnson has been with Mullen since way back as a player at Utah. Johnson was then OC with Utah and Miss St before going to UiF and then the Eagles as QB coach. Hard to asses him play calling wise.

It’s funny because I feel like What’s interesting D’Eriq King could have a similar career path if pro-ball doesn’t work out just like it didn’t for Johnson as a player. Both smart dudes that played the QB position at a high level, except Johnson had the better coaches to learn from in Urban Meyer, Dan Mullen and now Nick Siriani.

I’d rather fail taking a chance on Brian Johnson than some scrub (yes, he’s a ******* scrub) in Candle.

 

[BS85]

Yep very rare that any coach makes a hire where you can't easily connect dots.

Mario to Steele was easy

Mario to Gattis was through Saban. Don't think he got enough info from Saban to connect the dots to know the terms the guy was leaving these places. Lack of connection wasn't the only reason it failed but it's likely the reason for the lack of a true background and why the red flags didn't come up.

I met Josh Pate in Knoxville this year and we talked about Gattis for half an hour. He knew it wasn't going to work because he's got several connections who immediately reached out (most notably James Franklin and Ricky Rahne - 2 FBS head coaches tying back to Penn State) to him and said this isn't going to work like they think it is (Gattis to Miami). And it was more than just those 2 that told him that.

So you're saying Saban really is trying to sabotage Miami

 

[mirvin88]

Seeing as I know pretty much nothing about Candle, is he actually worth the headache he's caused for 2 years in a row? We're like some dude stuck in the friend zone with a smoking hot chick. She'll flirt with us and loves the attention we give her, but she'll never commit. At some point you just gotta walk away.

I think he's solid but definitely not worth this nonsense.

 

[MPCane17]

Yes.

Welllllll……. Lol

 

[JayCane20]

Pate alluded to this after the MTSU nightmare... seems like nobody was confident in this marriage and everyone knew he was a walking red glad except Mario smh

I already had been exposed to it being around a few spring practices and some feedback I was getting from a few players that I know.. but I was skeptical. Part of the reason I avoided the boards from February-August was getting bad feedback on Gattis and Mario and what it was gonna look like.

The funny thing about the whole thing is that Josh Pate told me this about Gattis on September 23.. the day before MTSU and then less than 24 hours later literally watched it unfold how it did right after kickoff.. 2 interceptions, a fumble, a turnover on downs in the first 5 or 6 drives.

Texas A&M in hindsight was telling. Southern Miss to an extent.

 

[mirvin88]

Yes.

 

[AUcane]

Yep very rare that any coach makes a hire where you can't easily connect dots.

Mario to Steele was easy

Mario to Gattis was through Saban. Don't think he got enough info from Saban to connect the dots to know the terms the guy was leaving these places. Lack of connection wasn't the only reason it failed but it's likely the reason for the lack of a true background and why the red flags didn't come up.

I met Josh Pate in Knoxville this year and we talked about Gattis for half an hour. He knew it wasn't going to work because he's got several connections who immediately reached out (most notably James Franklin and Ricky Rahne - 2 FBS head coaches tying back to Penn State) to him and said this isn't going to work like they think it is (Gattis to Miami). And it was more than just those 2 that told him that.

This is what's maddening about the Gattis hire. The guy's toxicity was known in coaching circles. How or why it was ignored by Mario boggles the mind. But, if Mario's exhaustive vetting process was as thorough as we believe it, I start to question the purpose of it in the first place and the fact that Mario being the sole decider of a coordinator is not the best idea. Thankfully, I think this is where Alonzo can help. I don't believe Alonzo was in place before the Gattis hire, though.

 

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[JayCane20]

So you're saying Saban really is trying to sabotage Miami

I'm sure he's not trying to help lol.. He's not the kind of guy to give out more information regardless. I think the 1 connection point wasn't enough.. now that I know he's left Penn State, Alabama, Michigan, and now Miami on bad terms in a row.. all since 2018. IF Mario had a connect at Penn State it may have avoided the whole thing. Even a connect at Michigan.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Yep very rare that any coach makes a hire where you can't easily connect dots.

Mario to Steele was easy

Mario to Gattis was through Saban. Don't think he got enough info from Saban to connect the dots to know the terms the guy was leaving these places. Lack of connection wasn't the only reason it failed but it's likely the reason for the lack of a true background and why the red flags didn't come up.

I met Josh Pate in Knoxville this year and we talked about Gattis for half an hour. He knew it wasn't going to work because he's got several connections who immediately reached out (most notably James Franklin and Ricky Rahne - 2 FBS head coaches tying back to Penn State) to him and said this isn't going to work like they think it is (Gattis to Miami). And it was more than just those 2 that told him that.

It's sad that so much Gattis information was (basically) available, but was missed. Another aspect that Alonzo is good at and can help with.

I'd never claim to know all that much about FIU football, but when you hear about Mario trying to hire Guidry at FIU right before Mario got fired, it makes all of the pieces of the puzzle come together quickly. Mario (at least in his mind) had vetted Guidry over 10 years ago, so I can understand the connection.

I know Mario has vetted (on-field, not off-field) several OC candidates, and it's time to move forward.

 

[423Hurricane]

I'm sure he's not trying to help lol.. He's not the kind of guy to give out more information regardless. I think the 1 connection point wasn't enough.. now that I know he's left Penn State, Alabama, Michigan, and now Miami on bad terms in a row.. all since 2018. IF Mario had a connect at Penn State it may have avoided the whole thing. Even a connect at Michigan.

There’s an ex Miami HC at Penn St. just sayin’. LOL.

 

[bobbydigius]

Pate alluded to this after the MTSU nightmare... seems like nobody was confident in this marriage and everyone knew he was a walking red glad except Mario smh

Maybe Mario was aware of the red flags but given the timing he had nowhere else to turn and needed to make a decision and was hopeful that this time things were going to be different.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

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I'd literally share information with everyone else on this board before I say anything to you.

And that includes Empirical and Cryptical.