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The more I think about taking a post season ban

So what if we self-impose this year and go 9-3 next year and miss out on the BCS?
 
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everyone wants to go ahead and play, but i bet they wont cuz they too scared of the system ( ncaa )
 
Harry so I guess I am a "******" but I think when you use words like that its tell me Karma will get you or your family.
 
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DapperSlapper,

Thank you for bringing reasoning and logic, I appreciate that. It is refreshing on here to see that. You said a lot of good stuff, so here it goes.

I have carefully analyzed the situation (based on the little to no information we have). I have carefully analyzed the pros and the cons but with the little information we have (what is provable and not, what evidence is real, what the sources are and their veracity etc.) I am kind of in a wait and see mood. My whole reasoning depends on this NOA. I think it is key to the investigation or any NCAA investigation.

The NOA is tremendous for the investigation it lets the school know about "potential violations." While I agree UM knows a lot and should know what is going on, we're not going to prove the NCAA's case for them. It's on them, how about we let them serve us and we go from there?

The NOA is all, so without it we don't really know what the NCAA has in terms of "possible violations."
http://i.usatoday.net/sports/college/football/2011-04-25-osu-letter.pdf

I think many people fail to realize is the self-imposed ban DOESN'T guarantee the NCAA will do anything. It is good faith, that is all. While it could be a trade, one self-imposed ban equals one NCAA ban, it doesn't guarantee anything.

1. What happens if the NCAA is more lenient then we impose on ourselves (possible, sure)?
2. What happens if the NCAA wants to drop the hammer (possible, sure)?

My point is the good faith argument was done by the school already. We self-imposed, we participated (according to Emmert) fully and better than most schools, we sat players already and the players were reinstated. While I think we will be hit my more (duh), I have no idea by what.

Now I agree that we will be better in 2013 and even better than that in 2014. But like I said, nothing is guaranteed (record wise) in this year, 2013 or 2014. So while we could self-impose this year and risk the first ACCCG we have ever been too for the future…NOTHING IS GUARANTEED. Also, no team has ever self-imposed a second ban. Now just because no one did it, doesn’t mean don’t do it…without the NOA and a lot to play for, I have trouble doing it. Let’s also remember the NCAA may see this as us being really guilty (I don’t know). As for the transfers, so be it. If the Juniors (soon to be seniors)want to go, they can go. That is their right and who knows if they will just leave, it is the young kids that I am most concerned with.

For a school that has been dead for a long time, for a school that hasn’t sniffed the ACCCG before…it would be tremendous to make the ACCCG. One way to grow up young players is success and confidence. Going to the ACCCG would really get that juice going.

Finally, I agree with “Self imposing a ban depends on UM's weighing of the evidence and making an informed decision - something no one on this board can do. To say that as a rule UM would be crazy to self-impose this year is not seeing the forest for the trees.”

I have no doubt what you said is true, I just don’t see the point in doing it with so much to play for. If our options were go to a crap bowl game and not go to the ACCCG game, I would say self-impose and show the NCAA more good faith. But without the NOA and the above, I am sticking. Like you said this is without any information.

I am listening to Mike Glazier, whatever he says I would do.

I see the other side, I am just waiting patiently for now with the lack of information. I say go to the ACCCG especially with no NOA.
 
I guess I'm retarded because I don't think we should self impose.

But seriously **** this discussion at this point.
 
1. We dont have to self impose as soon as we are bowl eligible.
2. If possible, wait until the NOA
3. If we make it to the ACCCG, we dont self-impose.
4. If we dont make it, then we do self-impose.
 
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If we don't make it to the ACCCG then yes I am all for self imposing. I don't agree with people who suggest we can wait till after the ACCCG to decide though. We do that and it just seems like we are trying to play the NCAA rather than justly punishing ourselves and I'm not really on board with that notion. Guess it depends on a few things timeline-wise though.
 
I still don't think we are very good and I don't think its likely that would would beat Clemson or FSU in the ACCCG and then even if we somehow did I think there would be a good chance we get embarrassed by Louisville.

If I thought we had a BCS worth team, then I would be more willing to say ***** it and play, but I think the best move is to take the ban and continue to build for the future.

I wouldn't call anyone names for disagreeing with me or anything, thats just the way I see it.
 
A guarantee to PLAY in the 2012 ACC title game as an 8-4 team is not as good as the HOPE of something bigger in 2013 and 2014. Sorry, thats just how I feel.
 
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JHallCanes said:
If we don't make it to the ACCCG then yes I am all for self imposing. I don't agree with people who suggest we can wait till after the ACCCG to decide though. We do that and it just seems like we are trying to play the NCAA rather than justly punishing ourselves and I'm not really on board with that notion. Guess it depends on a few things timeline-wise though.
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We cant wait. We have to self impose prior to the ACCCG. The ACC will not let us play in the CG and then self-impose the bowl game if we lose.
 
JHallCanes said:
HarryCarayisGoat said:
A guarantee to PLAY in the 2012 ACC title game as an 8-4 team is not as good as the HOPE of something bigger in 2013 and 2014. Sorry, thats just how I feel.
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I don't blame you. I most likely will agree with you a year from now.
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Which is why he feels it is a no brainer. I'm trying not to get caught up with the hype of this season for the betterment of the future.
 
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CaneDaddy said:
JHallCanes said:
If we don't make it to the ACCCG then yes I am all for self imposing. I don't agree with people who suggest we can wait till after the ACCCG to decide though. We do that and it just seems like we are trying to play the NCAA rather than justly punishing ourselves and I'm not really on board with that notion. Guess it depends on a few things timeline-wise though.
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We cant wait. We have to self impose prior to the ACCCG. The ACC will not let us play in the CG and then self-impose the bowl game if we lose.
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I absolutely agree just people have mentioned it and I wanted to address that.

You have a point about not having to announce right away but I don't think we have much time to delay.
 
There is no guarantee the punishment will be ANY less severe if we self impose this year. Sure, it may help, but we did the same last year at what point is it just yeah whatever. Our supposed flawless cooperation should do more for the ncaa than us giving up the russell athletic bowl.
 
porterhouse77 said:
There is no guarantee the punishment will be ANY less severe if we self impose this year. Sure, it may help, but we did the same last year at what point is it just yeah whatever. Our supposed flawless cooperation should do more for the ncaa than us giving up the russell athletic bowl.
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I think the point is that giving up the Russell Athletic Bowl is worth it to attempt to appease the NCAA further.

I repeat giving up the RUSSELL ATHLETIC BOWL!
 
Im proud of this team for the effort this season. If we finish first in the coastal, that is just as rewarding as anything else we could do this season. Take the ban.
 
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