The Importance Of A Demanding Base

[TheProgram]

First: anyone tweeting at or tearing down student athletes on any board with needless bull**** is a coward. Typical internet tough guy syndrome. Anyone who does that is wrong. These are kids.

With that said, the open season on what some(including myself) deem as a underperforming staff is a critical component in the long-term success of a storied program.

-Since 1980, we are one of a handful of the most storied programs in college football. 5 rings....5 rings...5.

-We live in the nation's foremost hotbed for recruiting talent. Yes, better than texas and socal.

-We are amongst a handful of programs that have steadily(the last few years withheld) turned student athletes into SUCCESSFUL pro players.

With those 3 points mentioned above, how can the following 3 be acceptable?:

-2004 9-2 team that got smoked by LSU by 37 in the peach bowl is the BEST CANE TEAM IN A DECADE.

-Kirby Freeman has led us to our only bowl win in the past DECADE. And we were a 6-6 team playing South Miami high School in said bowl game. Kirby Freeman....Kirby Freeman...Kirby Freeman.

-Brock Berlin has been the best QB since Dorsey.

10 years mired in mediocrity doesn't make you mad when you look at the previous 20? Really? I respect those of you who refuse to say anything negative about the program, and genuinely understand your reasoning.

But it is the "haters" and "whiners" in our fan and donor base that make anything less than winning a fireable offense. Coker and Shannon were fired because of poor performance AND the "negative" fan/donor VOICED their disappointments, remaining steadfast in upholding our program's SIGNIFICANT expectations. If we all stayed quiet and passed the peace pipe, Coker and Shannon would have lasted longer. Would anyone argue that our " negative" voices provide actual pressure that has tangible financial implications(vocal pressure/tickets/donations)?

This administration cares much more about academics and nurturing the future of student athletes. That is commendable, and we all want the kids to succeed. BUT in an administration that is less focused on upholding the traditions of our football program, the only way to get their attention is expressing our disappointment AND hurting ticket sales and donations as the only means they will respond too.

Golden is entering year 4, and there are some troubling signs we can all agree on. Is there something wrong with holding him to the expectations HE put forth and that our tradition demands? There is a saying that the ultimate form of patriotism is dissent. If that's the case, then those of us in the dissenting column are as faithful to the canes tradition as we can be. Go Canes.

 

[Wewillnotgopeacefully]

Nothing wrong with holding the administration to high standards, but there is a way to do it. Speak your peace, without all the name calling, and leave it at that. Endless threads of name calling is just pointless. WE GET IT! Secondly, their is a fine line when bashing the coaches. Continuing to do so, will have a negative affect on the potential recruits. How can you get the best recruits, while bashing the current administration at the same time? You can't. Whining, *****ing and name calling is just childish. Tweeting potential recruits, screams creepiness. Lastly, will the fans be held to higher standards? Right now, it sucks waaaaaaay more than the current administration. Time for us to step it up. Instead of being critical all the time, lets show our support to the ones that are here.

 

[cooks002]

I agree that accountability is an important component to overall success however it needs to be based on rational assessment not emotional response which I think has been lost by certain parties. Everyone on this board is emotionally invested in the Miami Hurricanes football team, but unfortunately we are not privy to the internal day to day goings on of the program. That is making for a very strange love/hate relationship right now especially with all the rumors.

 

[TheProgram]

Nothing wrong with holding the administration to high standards, but there is a way to do it. Speak your peace, without all the name calling, and leave it at that.

Holding the Staff AND administration to those standards. Like I said, going at kids is UNACCEPTABLE. But criticizing ADULT professionals getting paid millions to produce is not only okay, it is necessary. Hold everyone's feet to the fire, and reminds them we remember what the the 20 years prior to this last decade looked like. Do I expect 5 titles every 2 decades, absolutely not. But we should be a contender FAR MORE than we are not. The second set of facts I posted about our last 10 years are a sobering reminder.

 

[Wewillnotgopeacefully]

Nothing wrong with holding the administration to high standards, but there is a way to do it. Speak your peace, without all the name calling, and leave it at that.

Holding the Staff AND administration to those standards. Like I said, going at kids is UNACCEPTABLE. But criticizing ADULT professionals getting paid millions to produce is not only okay, it is necessary. Hold everyone's feet to the fire, and reminds them we remember what the the 20 years prior to this last decade looked like. Do I expect 5 titles every 2 decades, absolutely not. But we should be a contender FAR MORE than we are not. The second set of facts I posted about our last 10 years are a sobering reminder.

Criticizing our coaches has gone too far. It is now a form of negative recruiting. It's no different than when FSU or UF tells our players that our staff, whom they committed to, are leaving. Again, our fan base needs to be held to higher standards as well.

 

[QuadCam]

The problem with our fan base is that we have a lot of fnas with big mouths and shorts arms. The gums are always flapping, but their arms aren't long enough to reach their wallets.

People constantly talk about the off-campus stadium. Okay...we have one.... but it is a great stadium....worthy of hosting numerous Super Bowls. Sure, it isn't easy for students to get to, but our student section only makes up less than 10% of the capacity. Alunmi and fans make of the rest......and at every other school.....amumni and fans have to drive to games too. MOst big football programs aren't located in crowded metropolises either. Their fans have to comes from miles....and hours away to view games. Take Nebraska for example, look at how well their fans travel to away games!!!!

It's called dedication to your University, your alma mater, your team. We don't have it. He haven't had it..... but under Golden's regime, it is stengthening. As an alumus and a season ticket holder, I see the new efforts very clearly.

So, yes it is important to have a demanding base, but that base also needs to be physically (attendance) and financially supportive of the cause.

 

[Wewillnotgopeacefully]

I agree that accountability is an important component to overall success however it needs to be based on rational assessment not emotional response which I think has been lost by certain parties. Everyone on this board is emotionally invested in the Miami Hurricanes football team, but unfortunately we are not privy to the internal day to day goings on of the program. That is making for a very strange love/hate relationship right now especially with all the rumors.

Rumors are always a bad thing. People keep drumming them up to hurt our program. This is why the moderators have to step up.

 

[Wewillnotgopeacefully]

The problem with our fan base is that we have a lot of fnas with big mouths and shorts arms. The gums are always flapping, but their arms aren't long enough to reach their wallets.

People constantly talk about the off-campus stadium. Okay...we have one.... but it is a great stadium....worthy of hosting numerous Super Bowls. Sure, it isn't easy for students to get to, but our student section only makes up less than 10% of the capacity. Alunmi and fans make of the rest......and at every other school.....amumni and fans have to drive to games too. MOst big football programs aren't located in crowded metropolises either. Their fans have to comes from miles....and hours away to view games. Take Nebraska for example, look at how well their fans travel to away games!!!!

It's called dedication to your University, your alma mater, your team. We don't have it. He haven't had it..... but under Golden's regime, it is stengthening. As an alumus and a season ticket holder, I see the new efforts very clearly.

So, yes it is important to have a demanding base, but that base also needs to be physically (attendance) and financially supportive of the cause.

Amen to that. Fans need to be held to higher standards as well as the recruits too. If they want to play for MIAMI, than work hard in the classroom as well as the football field. If they don't have the grades, that is not Al's fault. That is on the recruit.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

OP's point would hold more water if this demanding fan base he speaks of actually showed support in terms of filling seats. Even when the team is winning the stadium is half full.
Some please don't talk to me about demanding fans bases from behind your computer when this fan base has really no room to talk.

 

[bacane]

Let's hold the fan base accountable, too. Show up for a **** game!

 

[ZCanes]

Me and my family have had season tickets and donated to the school since '86.
I have every right to complain about the continuous mediocrity this program has become. It starts with the administration and trickles down to the coaches. I agree that bashing kids is not acceptable but when it comes to the MILLIONAIRE President and Coaches, they are fair game. Al gets paid millions(plural) per year to get the job done. Incessant name calling is a tad overboard but calling him out and demanding MORE is reasonable and necessary.

 

[bacane]

Oh boy.

 

[Wewillnotgopeacefully]

Me and my family have had season tickets and donated to the school since '86.
I have every right to complain about the continuous mediocrity this program has become. It starts with the administration and trickles down to the coaches. I agree that bashing kids is not acceptable but when it comes to the MILLIONAIRE President and Coaches, they are fair game. Al gets paid millions(plural) per year to get the job done. Incessant name calling is a tad overboard but calling him out and demanding MORE is reasonable and necessary.

Nothing wrong with voicing your displeasure like an adult. Yes the coaches get paid the big bucks and with it comes big responsibility and criticism. You must understand that, there comes a point when incessant bashing becomes negative recruiting. This only hurts our team. BTW, you might be part of the very few that support the team. Most don't.

 

[x_y_no]

There's a big difference between rational criticism, which is all good, and negativity and name-calling just for the sake of being negative. It's the latter which is all too prevalent and which can impact recruiting.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Me and my family have had season tickets and donated to the school since '86.
I have every right to complain about the continuous mediocrity this program has become. It starts with the administration and trickles down to the coaches. I agree that bashing kids is not acceptable but when it comes to the MILLIONAIRE President and Coaches, they are fair game. Al gets paid millions(plural) per year to get the job done. Incessant name calling is a tad overboard but calling him out and demanding MORE is reasonable and necessary.

You're the exception not the rule..
As a whole this fan bases of all needs to STFU or show support and then talk.

 

[ZCanes]

Me and my family have had season tickets and donated to the school since '86.
I have every right to complain about the continuous mediocrity this program has become. It starts with the administration and trickles down to the coaches. I agree that bashing kids is not acceptable but when it comes to the MILLIONAIRE President and Coaches, they are fair game. Al gets paid millions(plural) per year to get the job done. Incessant name calling is a tad overboard but calling him out and demanding MORE is reasonable and necessary.

Nothing wrong with voicing your displeasure like an adult. Yes the coaches get paid the big bucks and with it comes big responsibility and criticism. You must understand that, there comes a point when incessant bashing becomes negative recruiting. This only hurts our team. BTW, you might be part of the very few that support the team. Most don't.

Agreed, but you also have to understand that a lot of this is boiling over after 10 years of mediocrity. 10 years of "next year we should see improvement and the following year we should be back in business" yet here we still are. 10 years of seeing tons and tons of local talent dominating on Saturdays at other schools.10 years of the talent we do get not being developed to the fullest. 10 years of bad coaching hires. 10 years of crap.
I agree the name calling and such is a bit much, which I am guilty of myself, but all of these people going off the deep end are human and when something you love, which everyone who posts on canes boards does as well, keeps getting hurt over and over and over again there comes a breaking point to which people go off the deep end. Not saying its all justifiable but at the same time must be understood. 10 years of this and no tangible light at the end of the tunnel breeds what you see happening. We're not talking about a 2, 3 or even a four year slide, we are talking about a decade. Its tough to swallow for some and its all boiling over.

 

[djciombor]

I agree that a demanding base is a good thing. That said, all too often, our fan base thinks that bashing is the same as being demanding. Furthermore, many fans feel that there's only 2 options, hater or slurper.

 

[supacane]

The ones who say they are supporting Golden but they get it, are lying. They refuse to blame Golden or No D in ANY case. Nothing is every his fault, nothing after 3 years is his fault. Its always jump back to Shannon and/or the cloud. I for one and i think alot of people were in the corner of we support Golden but we totally want No D out. After the Penn ST fiasco and the fact Golden will blame anything and anyone and deflect everything but not say one critical word about No D.....they both need to go.

People want to talk about how long it took butch and whatever. He fired the DC after he wet the bed, canned, gone. Golden is no Butch Davis. Our D in 07 ranked 35th and Shannon got rid of Walton. Shannon was in over his head in every way but he knew what was acceptable and whats not. In every situation in life there is a point of no return, where you don't reason, its black and white. How poor our defense have been these past two years, the unprecedented horrific bad play....that is a point of no return. Not at Miami, those are western Kentucky type numbers. And when you hear Golden trot out and try to spin it in a positive way. How can you believe someone like that? Please tell me. "We're gonna fix it, we're gonna get it turned"....next week....same **** thing. Thats why he tried to slip away to Pedo St, because he doesnt want to fire No D. Its embarrassing. And i don't care for none of yall, keep your head in the sand, wish upon a star, pray to Jesus, Allah, Krishna, Budaa, what ever you want to do. No D is not fixing our defense. We need a competent aggressive DC and its not him. Its quite obvious.

If i **** up at my job, i wont get 3 years to fix it, even through that worst economic crisis since the great depression. You get a pink slip. Why is this any different for millionaires?

Bobby Bowden made FSU, he made it. You remember how bad their D was in 09? It was miles better than ours and he got canned. The icon, the guy with the statue and the name on the field. Because no matter who it is, the University comes before everyone. Even the one who built it. Why is Golden above it. And some fo you act as if yall related to him.

People are outraged because we see the **** getting worst and he does nothing about it. The boat is going over a waterfall and he trots out in a press conference that we should stay the course and drive the boat over the waterfall. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expect a different result. I personally want No D gone yesterday, its painfully obvious that is not gonna happen....at any point, even if we have another season like this. Therefore Golden needs to go taking No d with him.

Oh yeah and those calling out fans on message board about supporting the U. Shut up, I go to most the games because i live in west palm beach. But alot of the fans on here and in general live out of state all over the country. But the canes have always been like the heat. Their style and play captured the neutral, casual fan that live in Miami, the hispanics, who are inclined to watch soccer, and the big out of state Floridian population who have no ties at al to the U. When Miami is down and playing like crap getting abused by UL, we are never gonna get those, we will get the 35-45k crowd....and those are the loyals you keep on berating as if they owe you money. STFU, the one who owes something is Golden and No D, they are actually getting paid big money to do their job and win the fans over. And the rival fans are right, alot of Miami fans, never even go to school there, cant afford it. But they fall in love with it for different reasons.

 

[Wewillnotgopeacefully]

Me and my family have had season tickets and donated to the school since '86.
I have every right to complain about the continuous mediocrity this program has become. It starts with the administration and trickles down to the coaches. I agree that bashing kids is not acceptable but when it comes to the MILLIONAIRE President and Coaches, they are fair game. Al gets paid millions(plural) per year to get the job done. Incessant name calling is a tad overboard but calling him out and demanding MORE is reasonable and necessary.

Nothing wrong with voicing your displeasure like an adult. Yes the coaches get paid the big bucks and with it comes big responsibility and criticism. You must understand that, there comes a point when incessant bashing becomes negative recruiting. This only hurts our team. BTW, you might be part of the very few that support the team. Most don't.

Agreed, but you also have to understand that a lot of this is boiling over after 10 years of mediocrity. 10 years of "next year we should see improvement and the following year we should be back in business" yet here we still are. 10 years of seeing tons and tons of local talent dominating on Saturdays at other schools.10 years of the talent we do get not being developed to the fullest. 10 years of bad coaching hires. 10 years of crap.
I agree the name calling and such is a bit much, which I am guilty of myself, but all of these people going off the deep end are human and when something you love, which everyone who posts on canes boards does as well, keeps getting hurt over and over and over again there comes a breaking point to which people go off the deep end. Not saying its all justifiable but at the same time must be understood. 10 years of this and no tangible light at the end of the tunnel breeds what you see happening. We're not talking about a 2, 3 or even a four year slide, we are talking about a decade. Its tough to swallow for some and its all boiling over.

Al and co. has only been here for 3 years. You can't blame him for the last 10. It's like a scorned lover, bashing every new mate because of what the previous mate did. Being upset don't give you the right to be a**. We are supposedly adults here. Whining are for baby's.

 

[ZCanes]

Me and my family have had season tickets and donated to the school since '86.
I have every right to complain about the continuous mediocrity this program has become. It starts with the administration and trickles down to the coaches. I agree that bashing kids is not acceptable but when it comes to the MILLIONAIRE President and Coaches, they are fair game. Al gets paid millions(plural) per year to get the job done. Incessant name calling is a tad overboard but calling him out and demanding MORE is reasonable and necessary.

Nothing wrong with voicing your displeasure like an adult. Yes the coaches get paid the big bucks and with it comes big responsibility and criticism. You must understand that, there comes a point when incessant bashing becomes negative recruiting. This only hurts our team. BTW, you might be part of the very few that support the team. Most don't.

Agreed, but you also have to understand that a lot of this is boiling over after 10 years of mediocrity. 10 years of "next year we should see improvement and the following year we should be back in business" yet here we still are. 10 years of seeing tons and tons of local talent dominating on Saturdays at other schools.10 years of the talent we do get not being developed to the fullest. 10 years of bad coaching hires. 10 years of crap.
I agree the name calling and such is a bit much, which I am guilty of myself, but all of these people going off the deep end are human and when something you love, which everyone who posts on canes boards does as well, keeps getting hurt over and over and over again there comes a breaking point to which people go off the deep end. Not saying its all justifiable but at the same time must be understood. 10 years of this and no tangible light at the end of the tunnel breeds what you see happening. We're not talking about a 2, 3 or even a four year slide, we are talking about a decade. Its tough to swallow for some and its all boiling over.

Al and co. has only been here for 3 years. You can't blame him for the last 10. It's like a scorned lover, bashing every new mate because of what the previous mate did. Being upset don't give you the right to be a**. We are supposedly adults here. Whining are for baby's.

I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying, just pointing out some reasons as to why people are boiling over. People don't always react to things rationally when it comes to something you love or deeply care about. The last 10 years have taken a toll on people.
Like I said, not disagreeing with you but trying to rationalize the thought process behind the vitriol.

And while Al and co have only been here for 3, the administration has been in place for the entire tenure of this downward trend. I think a lot of people are as upset or more with the administration than they are with Al, its just that Al gets the brunt of it because he's the face of the program.