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DTP said:
I've been telling you guys, we're not going out and grabbing all these extra portal players. We got Cohen, Lee, Brown and Mauigoa who are immediate impact starters. Xzavier Henderson will help the receiver room. We really just need to grab one DT and a corner not named Jaden Davis and I think we close up shop.
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If we grab Henderson and Fegans, that will be huge. I think there are enough LBs and RBs in the portal that we should come up with someone at those two positions as well.

I really hope we land Malone or that top G5 DT, because quality pickings are slim there. And at this point, I don't think we're going to find a better CB, and Guidry is going to have to find a way to make due with his DL and DB rooms.

After that, we need to pray TVD stays healthy, that Zion and McCoy come back strong to push Rivers inside, and that Wes, Chase and the freshmen LBs are ready to go to keep Flagg and Ragone off the field.

Assuming all the above plays out, we can go anywhere from 7 to 10 wins, with the most likely outcome of 8 wins, IMHO.
 
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Allabouttheu95 said:
Bottom line their hits were grand slams and led them to 10 wins and a **** good chance at an acc title this year. Our grand slams led us to 5-7 (injuries I know). The 2023 additions appear better on paper but still looking at 7-8 wins if things bounce our way. The two programs portal acquisitions aren’t comparable at this time.
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Well... yeah. They have a 3-year head start.
 
grover said:
If we grab Henderson and Fegans, that will be huge. I think there are enough LBs and RBs in the portal that we should come up with someone at those two positions as well.

I really hope we land Malone or that top G5 DT, because quality pickings are slim there. And at this point, I don't think we're going to find a better CB, and Guidry is going to have to find a way to make due with his DL and DB rooms.

After that, we need to pray TVD stays healthy, that Zion and McCoy come back strong to push Rivers inside, and that Wes, Chase and the freshmen LBs are ready to go to keep Flagg and Ragone off the field.

Assuming all the above plays out, we can go anywhere from 7 to 10 wins, with the most likely outcome of 8 wins, IMHO.
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Lot to ask for lol
 
Tonio said:
Lol how are we broke yet we have a better transfer class than bag schools like Bama, UGA, TAMU, Tennessee, and ND.

You also don’t get a 5 star DT out of ND and OSU territory by being broke
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I don’t think we broke, we just don’t have the money some of the bigger schools do.
 
We are gonna have to face the fact that Mario isn’t going to do anything quickly whether it’s going after kids in the portal or recruiting a 4-5* HS kid or God forbid ever hire another coach.

He’s the type of person that would go on Jeopardy and when the Answer /Question came up in single Jeopardy he’d finally ring in with the Question/Answer in the middle of Double Jeopardy cause he has to seemingly overanalyze everything he does to the enth degree before can can make a move.

Recruiting is his speciality and relies a lot on relationships groomed over a long period of time like a slow cooker.

The portal to me is more like a deep fryer where kids,especially the better kids,want to see how much they can get and how/or how quick they can play and the coaches that move the fastest and get them their money and whatever else they want wins…

Mario is going to be long build but should stabilize the program for the future cause it will be built from inside out and not by putting up prefab panels…
 
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JHallCanes said:
If we had hired Riley and USC had hired Mario yes this would be a different conversation

If people are honestly bringing up USC it’s only because they enjoy complaining about this fantasy that they think Miami should be
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I think they complain because both schools were in basically mirroring situations.
 
Gables Cane said:
CIS likes to clown f$u, their apparent lack of funds, corny Coach, lackadaisical recruiting efforts, comical social media campaigns, etc. But, here’s the truth:

- That clown school has beaten us two straight years and embarrassed us at home.
- f$u have out recruited us in the Portal for two straight years with better talent identification, acquisition and development.
- f$u are currently out recruiting us for high school players although we did out recruit them the last two years.
- Prison Mike has done an excellent job turning Travis from a one dimensional QB into a weapon and Heisman candidate (he ain’t that good).
- f$u has momentum. Miami is still in the “show me” phase when it comes to the national media.

Not sue why people keep pushing the “they broke” narrative because they have ALWAYS found ways to pay players under the table, at the table, or in kind with free shoes, cars and other goods.

We can continue to mock them, but they are “winning” right now and it ****es me off.
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TrumpyCane wants to know if you defended Al Golden the same way after his one decent season
 
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Gables Cane said:
CIS likes to clown f$u, their apparent lack of funds, corny Coach, lackadaisical recruiting efforts, comical social media campaigns, etc. But, here’s the truth:

- That clown school has beaten us two straight years and embarrassed us at home.
- f$u have out recruited us in the Portal for two straight years with better talent identification, acquisition and development.
- f$u are currently out recruiting us for high school players although we did out recruit them the last two years.
- Prison Mike has done an excellent job turning Travis from a one dimensional QB into a weapon and Heisman candidate (he ain’t that good).
- f$u has momentum. Miami is still in the “show me” phase when it comes to the national media.

Not sue why people keep pushing the “they broke” narrative because they have ALWAYS found ways to pay players under the table, at the table, or in kind with free shoes, cars and other goods.

We can continue to mock them, but they are “winning” right now and it ****es me off.
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Norvell’s now been there a while. He didn’t start out great. We’ll see how Mario fares at the same point in time.
 
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GojiraCane said:
I think we have to look at this not only in who we did not get, but who we did not lose. Let’s presume things stay as is with our current roster. We’re in the Wild West, no contracts. There is nothing - nothing - to stop USC from offering large amounts of money to Leonard Taylor, James Williams, Samson, or Francis Maiogoa to leave. The NIL money may also be used to keep the current team intact. Presently it’s a team that now has a 59% blue chip ratio, and there are people on our team that others would love to raid us for. We may be spending a lot behind the scenes to keep our most needed players here.

A second thing to consider is follow-on spending. Let’s say you offer a wide receiver $1.5M to jump. He agrees. But now Washington, Horton, Jacolby, and Colby theoretically want an increase too. So you have to be willing to spend on the existing players at the position you bring a prominent transfer in.

I think Zo and Mario are taking a more conservative, Pittsburg Steelers type approach to roster building in this era. The Steelers built through the draft and did not rely on free agency heavily.
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this is the best explanation I have heard. Will probably mean we take a little longer to get there but I mean.. Justin Scott just got a 🔮 to us. Might be the most sustainable option long term.
 
Man have to know its pointless crying. Cristobal is not gonna have us be like what Mich St did, Deieon is doing, FSU is doing or Lincoln Riley is now. He built that Oregon roster from a 4-8 team to 12 wins, bad competition or no. He wants us to be like Ohio St, Bama, UGA even Clemson. Where every season them man basically have 10 wins in the bag. Those teams are not bringing in a ton of Portal players. I prefer to build through high school and if we have to pay big money, pay it to those kids after they been on the roster. Then u can pick and choose in the portal. FSU went from a laughing stock to a model to man in 12 months. U people are jokes. Props to them but they aint no model to emulate. Sorry. Also as money becomes more a factor, character recruiting matters more.
 
NorthEastCane said:
So, what's your point? Have you done a Memmon like analysis of USC's roster? Maybe they had they had talent that was too young that needed another year. Maybe that combined with a new staff increased their rate of development.

We know about our roster. 7-5 was done with smoke and mirrors and could easily been 5-7 or worse. We were poised for a tumble, that's why we all wanted Manny gone, remember.
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We were also 7 points away from having 3 more wins that year.


The record was what it was. It wasn't we were almost 5-7 or worse anymore than it was 10-2.

Also and not at you, high character kids is just some feel good **** people say to ease their mental fragility when we get tossed on landing who we really want. You poll any team in the land, 90 percent or even more will say their team is full of high character guys. Good people of not good players.

Now I know everyone wants to let him work through recruiting, but that is going to fly out the window if he doesn't do something on the field this year. Say he does, we better have a nice war chest set aside to keep our players since in this new age, if someone else is offering and we don't meet or beat them, they're gone. If we don't win, the guys we expect to be players will go somewhere else they can win.
 
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Allabouttheu95 said:
Bottom line their hits were grand slams and led them to 10 wins and a **** good chance at an acc title this year. Our grand slams led us to 5-7 (injuries I know). The 2023 additions appear better on paper but still looking at 7-8 wins if things bounce our way. The two programs portal acquisitions aren’t comparable at this time.
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I would agree with that. But I think it is also a little skewed to look at and compare the portal acquisitions in a vacuum for 2022. Norvell was in what year 3? I seem to recall he went 3-6, 5-7 and 10-3. So after 5-7 after year 2 one could argue he should not need to rely on 13 transfers to make an immediate impact. But he was forced to due to poor recruiting and to his credit they hit. But for the portal FSU likely finishes below .500 for the third straight year.

Norvell also had a system in place and was trying to build after back to back losing seasons before this "grand slam" portal class.

Mario was here in Dec and had 6 months to evaluate the team, ID portal targets and get after it along with installing his system and implementing everything that comes with a new coach. I hope in year 3 of Mario we are not 5-7 and requiring a high portal rate hit to be successful. I would much prefer using the portal to plug a key guy here and there.
 
Cookie917 said:
I would agree with that. But I think it is also a little skewed to look at and compare the portal acquisitions in a vacuum for 2022. Norvell was in what year 3? I seem to recall he went 3-6, 5-7 and 10-3. So after 5-7 after year 2 one could argue he should not need to rely on 13 transfers to make an immediate impact. But he was forced to due to poor recruiting and to his credit they hit. But for the portal FSU likely finishes below .500 for the third straight year.

Norvell also had a system in place and was trying to build after back to back losing seasons before this "grand slam" portal class.

Mario was here in Dec and had 6 months to evaluate the team, ID portal targets and get after it along with installing his system and implementing everything that comes with a new coach. I hope in year 3 of Mario we are not 5-7 and requiring a high portal rate hit to be successful. I would much prefer using the portal to plug a key guy here and there.
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All great points. Can’t argue any of them. I just used 2022 because it’s Mario’s only sample size. I hope 3 years from now I’m praising our portal evals like I am norvells On top of the elite hs recruiting we expect Mario to continue.

I think the 1st wave 2023 portal acquisitions will be big time for us. Hope we get 3-5 more quality players before fall camp to compliment an excellent first wave in portal.
 
Allabouttheu95 said:
A 3 year non bowl eligible head start yeah
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Head start nonetheless. Either way - fine. Still doesn't make sense to grade a coach in year 1 on the same curve as a coach in year 3.

They went 3-6, got blown out by us and lost to a lower division team in Norvell's first season (eerily similar to us last year). Might their portal players' (the good ones, anyway) impact in 2022 have been more noticeable because the roster had already been mostly flipped and the coach's system was already in place?
 
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