The Bank (4/27)

[L A M P]

Reading this had me somewhere in between:

and..

As usual, Canes football leads to this..

 

[hoops156]

Miami isn’t broke, lmao.

It’s just that those are the kinds of players everyone wants.

i know im just trolling lol

 

[TheOriginalCane]

This is exactly why I am so irritated with our portal right now.

I'm just going to ask an honest question.

Who do you think we are getting in the next couple of months that will reverse all of that?

I hate F$U. HATE THEM. But I'm not expecting that 2023 Portal Period Number 2 is going to change everything. Better coaching, better execution, better playcalling...WILL allow us to beat F$U.

 

[Fluffhead]

it just sounds like were broke lol. character is a good excuse for saying we dont have the money to compete for high level transfers at positions of need. hopefully this is all wrong though

I actually don't have an issue with the character thing. When I hear character in regards to portal guys, it is why are they leaving. Unfortunately, with the speed the portal moves you do not really have time to do that deep dive. However, it is an entirely valid question when it comes to a guy you are bringing in to a program that has had a culture problem for two decades.

 

[hoops156]

I actually don't have an issue with the character thing. When I hear character in regards to portal guys, it is why are they leaving. Unfortunately, with the speed the portal moves you do not really have time to do that deep dive. However, it is an entirely valid question when it comes to a guy you are bringing in to a program that has had a culture problem for two decades.

I think were just getting out recruited for the transfer guys as they have a ton of interest. maybe theyre being recruited earlier than we get to them so were always. behind the 8 ball? idk. either way, unless these guys are robbing liquor stores or beating people, I dont want to hear character when we just got backdoored by our QB for more money lol.

 

[Hurracanes]

Oregon did but only really for high school. Can say the same for Tennessee and honestly UF. Usual suspects will for certain guys like always.

I slept on it because the fan in me was getting impatient when there’s so many players in the Spring portal that would take this team’s floor from 5 wins to 7…but today I realize it’s the right move long-term regarding building through high school classes. It’s also the safer move long term. If you like a bit of risk, then USC is the perfect example. Two ends of the spectrum there - either A&M-esque results, or a Natty.

Now what I don’t think is refutable is that we need to show improvement this season. And I’m not talking 6-6 really; I think in order to garner the high school class Mario truly wants, we’re also going to have to win 7 games + spend an honest amount (not overspend). This strategy will be all for naught if we go 5-7 again.

The other thing is our portal evals need to be better at portal evals if we’re not going to spend. We need adequate depth, not the Thomas Gore’s and Terry Roberts will be great on STs kind of pickups. We’ve done well in the portal to date, but each miss feels like five with our current roster. Even the misses need to be somewhat serviceable, not flat out trash.

My dude, if you’re counting HS players and arguing we are not investing our resources like the big programs then you’re sadly mistaken.

We are about to get the best DT in the country. You don’t think Stone met with important people during his last visit. There is a reason I posted that gif in that thread during that time.

 

[Fluffhead]

I think were just getting out recruited for the transfer guys as they have a ton of interest. maybe theyre being recruited earlier than we get to them so were always. behind the 8 ball? idk. either way, unless these guys are robbing liquor stores or beating people, I dont want to hear character when we just got backdoored by our QB for more money lol.

I mean that is one part of character, sure. But if a guy didn't get along with his coaches or teammates and that led to the transfer, why is a very valid question. If a guy was ****ed about playing time and we seemingly do not promise starting jobs to portal guys, how will that play out. I am not saying we should not move quicker or more decisively, or tweak how we are approaching it, but character is also a big part of all of this.

 

[WeBallinBoyz]

My dude, if you’re counting HS players and arguing we are not investing our resources like the big programs then you’re sadly mistaken.

We are about to get the best DT in the country. You don’t think Stone met with important people during his last visit. There is a reason I posted that gif in that thread during that time.

No I think you misread. I’m saying we are investing in high school which is better long-term for the program, but there’s a ceiling if you don’t show improvement on the field.

If we go 5-7, players will naturally gravitate elsewhere even with the bags offered. The bags aren’t a means to get someone that the big dogs wouldn’t, the bag should be a side piece to the “hey we’re improving on the field and catching up to the level of football the big boys play at”.

 

[Brains]

I'm just going to ask an honest question.

Who do you think we are getting in the next couple of months that will reverse all of that?

I hate F$U. HATE THEM. But I'm not expecting that 2023 Portal Period Number 2 is going to change everything. Better coaching, better execution, better playcalling...WILL allow us to beat F$U.

A big DT, starter-level CB, and starter level WR are what I'm asking for. Not even world-beaters. I believe the marginal difference with those 3 would put us in contention for 2 more wins.

In looking at the bigger picture, I also believe a 6-6 season would be detrimental to high school recruiting efforts. It wouldn't kill it, of course, but it would slow things down.

I admit I have a lot more anxiety about the program than I did even last offseason.

 

[Allabouttheu95]

Abysmal may be a little harsh....

Hits and starters last year: Henry Parrish, Darrell Jackson, Mesidor

Depth/rotational guy: Caleb Johnson, Agude, Lichtenstein

TBD: Daryl Porter, Dennis

Likely Miss: Ladson, Moultrie, Sagapolu

I imagine you are comparing this to Riley at USC and yes while Williams and Addison were big hits have you heard of:

Carson Tabaracci (3* LB did not play last year moved to offense this year)
Bobby Haskins (OL did not play) ,
Earl Barquet (played in 4 games no stats)
Terrell Bynum (16 catches 159 yds 1 td for reference ladson had 298 yds and 1td so if he is a miss so is Bynum),
Sinjun Astani (played in 2 game no stats)

So would you likewise call that abysmal?

Nope not USC. FSU who nailed it out of the park with their portal pickups for the 22 season. Think it goes down as the best in portal history thus far. Better than Michigan states team because fsu returned all the pieces for a 2nd year while Michigan state was a 1 year wonder.

We all define hits and misses differently. We agree on the grand slams/big time hits though. Not producing or showing flashes on a 5-7 team is a miss whether they were logging snaps due to injuries or not. But that’s just my opinion and I imagine others feel differently

 

[JG14]

Riley stays getting butt****ed by physical teams though

@HurricanePhilly just changed his name to Riley

 

[TheOriginalCane]

A big DT, starter-level CB, and starter level WR are what I'm asking for. Not even world-beaters. I believe the marginal difference with those 3 would put us in contention for 2 more wins.

In looking at the bigger picture, I also believe a 6-6 season would be detrimental to high school recruiting efforts. It wouldn't kill it, of course, but it would slow things down.

I admit I have a lot more anxiety about the program than I did even last offseason.

I understand. And I wasn't really arguing, I was just pointing out that EVERYBODY is trying to recruit Portal guys. Thus, the "difference-maker" for 2023 is going to be superior evaluation, superior development, and superior coaching.

I can agree with the DT part. I honestly believe that CB/WR are going to be "not starter level" (although they MAY start for UM) and that a lot of our improvement from now until December at those positions will come from who we already have on the roster, plus our recruits.

Just my personal opinion. Though I'd be happy to get Jaden and Xzavier enrolled too.

 

[E1k]

Oregon did but only really for high school. Can say the same for Tennessee and honestly UF. Usual suspects will for certain guys like always.

I slept on it because the fan in me was getting impatient when there’s so many players in the Spring portal that would take this team’s floor from 5 wins to 7…but today I realize it’s the right move long-term regarding building through high school classes. It’s also the safer move long term. If you like a bit of risk, then USC is the perfect example. Two ends of the spectrum there - either A&M-esque results, or a Natty.

Now what I don’t think is refutable is that we need to show improvement this season. And I’m not talking 6-6 really; I think in order to garner the high school class Mario truly wants, we’re also going to have to win 7 games + spend an honest amount (not overspend). This strategy will be all for naught if we go 5-7 again.

The other thing is our portal gurus (if that’s the MSU guy, Mario, Alonzo, all of the above, etc.) need to be better at portal evals if we’re not going to spend. We need adequate depth, not the Thomas Gore’s and Terry Roberts will be great on STs kind of pickups.

We’ve done well in the portal to date, anyone who refutes that is asinine. We have a ton of starters or guys in the top 3 of their respective positions from the portal. However, each miss feels like five with our current roster. Even the misses need to be somewhat serviceable, not flat out trash.

To me..these are the years early in the process we need to see if mario can get everything out of what he has, with good coaching we can win 7 games. There’s other factors like injuries of course but 7 games should be a realistic feat with the current roster

 

[Cribby]

I haven't heard anything negative about Deen. And Cohen, Lee, Francisco and Brown are triples or home runs. I think 2023 portal is pretty darn good so far. Just need more.

Deen is a good player and will play a lot. He was a quality addition

 

[UMFarArcher]

File "emphasizing character" right next to "I only want guys that want to be canes" and "Moving in silence"

Character.

I knew a guy from South Carolina who had a arrest sheet longer than my . . . well it was a long list, but no felonies, he was a stud with the ladies, his two sisters were well known New York models, he never could keep a job for more than six months, everyone who met him were drawn to him including dogs and children, friendly and helpful to anyone, hilarious to be around, and rarely had two nickels to rub together.

How people described him: "He's a character."

And everyone would grin, shake their heads, and nod in agreement.

Good stuff, DMoney!

 

[mirvin88]

Miami is spending money. Just a month ago, Nick Saban was complaining publicly about the NIL money we threw at Cohen.

And we aren’t above the renegotiation game. We just won that battle against Bama for TVD.

It’s about picking the right battles and spending the money wisely. Let’s see how it works out.

I don’t have a strong conviction one way or another with the two approaches but it will be interesting to revisit the results in a few years.

Smart money + culture vs aggressively paying hired guns.

Our culture has likely been one of the worst in CFB so I can understand the reasoning. Guys like Cohen and Lee will be huge difference makers for us. They’re essentially like two more coaches for the young guys to lean on after spring is over through the summer. They’ve both been vocal about working with the other guys.

We are so far behind in that regard I understand that approach.

 

[bobbydigius]

My dude, if you’re counting HS players and arguing we are not investing our resources like the big programs then you’re sadly mistaken.

We are about to get the best DT in the country. You don’t think Stone met with important people during his last visit. There is a reason I posted that gif in that thread during that time.

From your lips to God’s ears on that last paragraph.

 

[janneke99]

Abysmal may be a little harsh....

Hits and starters last year: Henry Parrish, Darrell Jackson, Mesidor

Depth/rotational guy: Caleb Johnson, Agude, Lichtenstein

TBD: Daryl Porter, Dennis

Likely Miss: Ladson, Moultrie, Sagapolu

I imagine you are comparing this to Riley at USC and yes while Williams and Addison were big hits have you heard of:

Carson Tabaracci (3* LB did not play last year moved to offense this year)
Bobby Haskins (OL did not play) ,
Earl Barquet (played in 4 games no stats)
Terrell Bynum (16 catches 159 yds 1 td for reference ladson had 298 yds and 1td so if he is a miss so is Bynum),
Sinjun Astani (played in 2 game no stats)

So would you likewise call that abysmal?

Based on the mopes on this board, I thought every non-Miami transfer portal player became an all american half way through last season. lol Wait so Lincoln Riley, the portal perfectionist, struck out on some transfers last year. Wow facts are good. If I was USC I'd be more concerned Lincoln don't know how to fire and hire a good def coordinator.

 

[Brains]

I understand. And I wasn't really arguing, I was just pointing out that EVERYBODY is trying to recruit Portal guys. Thus, the "difference-maker" for 2023 is going to be superior evaluation, superior development, and superior coaching.

I can agree with the DT part. I honestly believe that CB/WR are going to be "not starter level" (although they MAY start for UM) and that a lot of our improvement from now until December at those positions will come from who we already have on the roster, plus our recruits.

Just my personal opinion. Though I'd be happy to get Jaden and Xzavier enrolled too.

I actually like what we have on DL, except that we need one big guy. Just one changes the whole dynamic of what we can do with a versatile, deep, and quick (but undersized) DL.

 

[WeBallinBoyz]

Based on the mopes on this board, I thought every non-Miami transfer portal player became an all american half way through last season. lol Wait so Lincoln Riley, the portal perfectionist, struck out on some transfers last year. Wow facts are good. If I was USC I'd be more concerned Lincoln don't know how to fire and hire a good def coordinator.

Riley isn’t hitting at some astronomical rate, just that a few of his acquisitions are/were stars. Also flashy - Addison, Dye, Williams (given but still), Bear, etc.

Now as much as we clown them, Norvell has hit at an exceptional rate. One would say unsustainable, but nevertheless exceptional.