TerragonSix
Itsa Me, Mario!
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Had a basketball coach that was like this.
I would've run through a brick wall for that guy.
I would've run through a brick wall for that guy.
cause he screams doesnt mean he can coach or recruit, remember dorito screaming at Jordan Futch? that **** doesnt mean a thingOMG, yes. Bring this cat to The U.
Behavior and its acceptance by society is always changing.
You can get respect my your words meaning something , not necessary cussing a kid out. If you do something dumb you will not play. Theres more than one way to skin a cat. Demanding respect and accountability is the way to lead. Our coaches lack that , especially the HC.Yeah, if you're screaming all the time, it loses its effectiveness (this applies to parenting/raising kids as well).
Ask the Top 4 ranked teams if it does.I get it. You can tell the people that never played any football, or sports for that matter. They are uncomfortable with it and think it’s outrageous.
The issue is whether this approach is effective with today’s kids or not. But that’s a different topic.
Ask the Top 4 ranked teams if it does.
Part of being an effective leader is knowing exactly how to motivate the people you're in charge of. Not everybody responds to everything the same and you can't be a one trick pony. The guy who's always yelling and screaming is just as ineffective as the guy who never gets upset at all. Have you ever worked somewhere where the manager in charge was always a complete **** and just treated all the employees like trash? Yeah, nobody wants to work for that guy and nobody is going to give all their effort for him. Now a dude who's calm 95% of the time all of the sudden loses his **** and starts flipping out? I'm going to take that seriously. But a dude who's always yelling and posturing...I'm going to laugh at that clown because it loses it's effectiveness.
So you're automatically assuming that coach didn't have that ability of Lombardi's, which by the way goes hand in hand with the technique - tear down, build up. How did you know this coach wasn't doing that? Are you just stereotyping the coach, or stuck in the millennial soundbite, participation world? Football is a lot about manhood - those kids need to earn the respect, not the coach.Of course a lot of the meatheads on this board would go along with a dude sounding completely out of control. There's a difference between being chewed out in the heat of battle, but getting coached at the same time and a guy going on a rant after a game. I'm willing to bet that the majority of the guys on the team completely tuned him out, especially if this isn't the first time. The coaches I played under wouldn't have said a **** thing, they would have taken the team leaders in their office once we got back and chewed our asses out for letting guys act like that on the bus. That's how you set the tone, that behavior shouldn't have been tolerated, because the team should have policed themselves.
Everyone wants to be Lombardi, but they forget that Lombardi was more complex than "Guy that yelled a lot". Then again, nuance is lost on the majority of people. In today's coaching world, you have to be able to tailor your message, and the old days of kids just standing there and letting a coach talk to them any kind of way isn't going to go over well. I'll say this about kids today compared to my generation and before, they won't just accept authority at face value. Authority is earned in their eyes, and I respect that.
Lombardi was more tear down on the field and in the film room, build up in the same area. This is off the field, you can also hear that this coach wasn't in control. Lombardi was always in control, it was about the TEAM, not about Vince. This coach made it about him, how HE was mad they lost, how HE was embarrassed. Kids can hear, and they understand that these glorified gym teachers only see them as a means to an end. I get that it's year one, but there should be leaders there, especially with the transfers they brought in. If the coach feels as if he has to do that, that means that either he hasn't empowered the leaders on the team to take charge, or they haven't brought in anyone that can do the work.So you're automatically assuming that coach didn't have that ability of Lombardi's, which by the way goes hand in hand with the technique - tear down, build up. How did you know this coach wasn't doing that? Are you just stereotyping the coach, or stuck in the millennial soundbite, participation world? Football is a lot about manhood - those kids need to earn the respect, not the coach.
Then again, we're talking about this because it's a 4-5 team on its swing loss. You might have made an argument if this came from Georgia, Bama, Ohio State, or Oregon, but surprisingly this stuff doesn't come from them. Not because of team leaders - because to the coach who sets the team focus.
-Signed meathead
They play Kansas this weekend so not even sure if you can draw any conclusions about how effective the rant was...
Exactly the same for me, except my coach yelled like a man possessed when he needed to. Maybe wouldn't have worked for you, but he coached one of the FHSAA's Top 100 high school players of All-Time and got 11 of us to college. He also became a two time NCAA Coach of the Year at Rice and Duke.The coach that got the most out of me as a player never yelled at me, nor anyone else. You were so afraid of letting him down, because he always had your back. This was a coach that taught kids without a father how to deal with women, this was a coach that opened his home for guys, regardless of talent.
I've been reading your posts about this and we seem to be on the same side. I also reread your post that I had initially responded to and it looks like I misunderstood what you were saying. I think I may have lumped your comments in with several others that I disagreed with.You didn't tell me why you think my statement is ”patently ridiculous”.
There is nothing ridiculous about it.
What’s ridiculous is using an incorrect cliche like “it’s not what you said but how you said it” to make a point.
What is said is actually as important, if not more, than how it is said. But the end result - was the message accepted and acted upon - is the most important factor, and my point.
Maybe he didn’t get through to those kids, maybe to some he did. It’s just a communication tactic to try to achieve a desired result. One that is very common in sports. I only have a problem with it, if it doesn’t work.