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A bunch of yelling, signifying nothing. Contrary to popular belief, the coaches that do all this crap, tend to lose kids more often than not. You set the tone, by holding people accountable by messing with the one thing any player values: PLAYING TIME. That's why recruiting is so important. You recruit the right kind of kids, self starters with leadership ability and let them take over. Texas is years away from being worth a ****, because they have to recruit their way out of this awful culture.
 
AUcane said:
Yeah, if you're screaming all the time, it loses its effectiveness (this applies to parenting/raising kids as well).
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You can get respect my your words meaning something , not necessary cussing a kid out. If you do something dumb you will not play. Theres more than one way to skin a cat. Demanding respect and accountability is the way to lead. Our coaches lack that , especially the HC.
 
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I have no idea why I am surprised with some of the comments on here. It explains so much about the comments we get on here from the same people over and over. Just more insight into why they say what they do and why & who they support.

My favorite part are the people who have never played, never been coached or coached themselves have the strongest opinions on the best way to do it.
 
Of course a lot of the meatheads on this board would go along with a dude sounding completely out of control. There's a difference between being chewed out in the heat of battle, but getting coached at the same time and a guy going on a rant after a game. I'm willing to bet that the majority of the guys on the team completely tuned him out, especially if this isn't the first time. The coaches I played under wouldn't have said a **** thing, they would have taken the team leaders in their office once we got back and chewed our asses out for letting guys act like that on the bus. That's how you set the tone, that behavior shouldn't have been tolerated, because the team should have policed themselves.

Everyone wants to be Lombardi, but they forget that Lombardi was more complex than "Guy that yelled a lot". Then again, nuance is lost on the majority of people. In today's coaching world, you have to be able to tailor your message, and the old days of kids just standing there and letting a coach talk to them any kind of way isn't going to go over well. I'll say this about kids today compared to my generation and before, they won't just accept authority at face value. Authority is earned in their eyes, and I respect that.
 
pacusmc said:
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College Football is not preparing someone for war. Preparing someone to go fight in battle, is far different than some overpaid glorified gym teacher throwing a hissy fit because his team lost. Even then, drill sergeants aren't allowed to do a lot of the things they did 30-40 years ago. Why? Because people have realized that over time, the effectiveness of consistent yelling drops off the table. I can scream, yell and berate my dog for years on end, eventually he'll start doing what I ask, but is there a more effective way to get the desired behavior? Yes there is, and that's what the armed services are moving towards.
 
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OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
I get it. You can tell the people that never played any football, or sports for that matter. They are uncomfortable with it and think it’s outrageous.

The issue is whether this approach is effective with today’s kids or not. But that’s a different topic.
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Ask the Top 4 ranked teams if it does.
 
Silver King said:
Ask the Top 4 ranked teams if it does.
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I don’t think either you or I know what the top four ranked teams coaches’ approach is. It sounds like what you’re saying is the top 4 teams all do this. I seriously doubt that.

I’m sure they all have tough coaching. Doesn’t necessarily mean they all have rants, I don’t have a problem with it if they do, as long as it’s effective.

I’m sure it varies from coach to coach.

I don’t know how old you are, but what worked 30 years ago might not work with today’s kids.

My answer is geared towards results, techniques can vary. I’m not really criticizing the screaming coach, per se. Some coaches are screamers, some aren’t. Some are in the middle. You have successes and failures in all groups.

My overall point is, if you’re shocked or over-the-top-criticizing this coach, then you haven’t been around football or sports in general.
 
DTP said:
Part of being an effective leader is knowing exactly how to motivate the people you're in charge of. Not everybody responds to everything the same and you can't be a one trick pony. The guy who's always yelling and screaming is just as ineffective as the guy who never gets upset at all. Have you ever worked somewhere where the manager in charge was always a complete **** and just treated all the employees like trash? Yeah, nobody wants to work for that guy and nobody is going to give all their effort for him. Now a dude who's calm 95% of the time all of the sudden loses his **** and starts flipping out? I'm going to take that seriously. But a dude who's always yelling and posturing...I'm going to laugh at that clown because it loses it's effectiveness.
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The coach that got the most out of me as a player never yelled at me, nor anyone else. You were so afraid of letting him down, because he always had your back. This was a coach that taught kids without a father how to deal with women, this was a coach that opened his home for guys, regardless of talent.

When he said "I'm disappointed in you" that hurt more than any amount of yelling ever could, because you knew that you let him down. In fact, the most dejected I've ever seen a player was a receiver I played with blew a key block on a fly sweep. He was a talented guy, but lacked physicality. We're coming off the field after the drive died, and Coach didn't say a word to the guy, he just pointed to the bench. Talking about a guy that was really down. No yelling, no screaming, no embarrassing a guy in front of the team, just a clear indication that Coach was done with him. Ironically enough, that guy became a better blocker later on, in fact his ability to block on the perimeter got him a scholarship to Prairie View, because he eventually outgrew receiver and became a tight end.

To this day, I keep in contact with Coach, and as I've gotten older, I've come to realize why what he taught us has stayed with me, despite him never raising his voice or being angry. It's because he built a bond with us to where we were accountable to each other and him. No one wanted to let him down, because we believed in him, and wanted to do well. I don't think that you get that kind of bond through fear, at least not anymore. Kids see through that, there's a reason why that crap doesn't work at the pro ranks. It only works where the talent has little power to force change.
 
Canedude08 said:
Of course a lot of the meatheads on this board would go along with a dude sounding completely out of control. There's a difference between being chewed out in the heat of battle, but getting coached at the same time and a guy going on a rant after a game. I'm willing to bet that the majority of the guys on the team completely tuned him out, especially if this isn't the first time. The coaches I played under wouldn't have said a **** thing, they would have taken the team leaders in their office once we got back and chewed our asses out for letting guys act like that on the bus. That's how you set the tone, that behavior shouldn't have been tolerated, because the team should have policed themselves.

Everyone wants to be Lombardi, but they forget that Lombardi was more complex than "Guy that yelled a lot". Then again, nuance is lost on the majority of people. In today's coaching world, you have to be able to tailor your message, and the old days of kids just standing there and letting a coach talk to them any kind of way isn't going to go over well. I'll say this about kids today compared to my generation and before, they won't just accept authority at face value. Authority is earned in their eyes, and I respect that.
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So you're automatically assuming that coach didn't have that ability of Lombardi's, which by the way goes hand in hand with the technique - tear down, build up. How did you know this coach wasn't doing that? Are you just stereotyping the coach, or stuck in the millennial soundbite, participation world? Football is a lot about manhood - those kids need to earn the respect, not the coach.

Then again, we're talking about this because it's a 4-5 team on its swing loss. You might have made an argument if this came from Georgia, Bama, Ohio State, or Oregon, but surprisingly this stuff doesn't come from them. Not because of team leaders - because to the coach who sets the team focus.

-Signed meathead
 
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Silver King said:
So you're automatically assuming that coach didn't have that ability of Lombardi's, which by the way goes hand in hand with the technique - tear down, build up. How did you know this coach wasn't doing that? Are you just stereotyping the coach, or stuck in the millennial soundbite, participation world? Football is a lot about manhood - those kids need to earn the respect, not the coach.

Then again, we're talking about this because it's a 4-5 team on its swing loss. You might have made an argument if this came from Georgia, Bama, Ohio State, or Oregon, but surprisingly this stuff doesn't come from them. Not because of team leaders - because to the coach who sets the team focus.

-Signed meathead
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Lombardi was more tear down on the field and in the film room, build up in the same area. This is off the field, you can also hear that this coach wasn't in control. Lombardi was always in control, it was about the TEAM, not about Vince. This coach made it about him, how HE was mad they lost, how HE was embarrassed. Kids can hear, and they understand that these glorified gym teachers only see them as a means to an end. I get that it's year one, but there should be leaders there, especially with the transfers they brought in. If the coach feels as if he has to do that, that means that either he hasn't empowered the leaders on the team to take charge, or they haven't brought in anyone that can do the work.

If this guy rarely yells, then I don't care. That said, someone that flies off the handle like this, most likely yells regularly and that is something that doesn't resonate long term. People that lead by fear have a fairly short shelf life. The goal of leadership is not browbeat people to follow, the goal is building leaders with you to where everyone comes along, because everyone in essence is a leader and accountable to each other.
 
They play Kansas this weekend so not even sure if you can draw any conclusions about how effective the rant was...
 
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Canedude08 said:
The coach that got the most out of me as a player never yelled at me, nor anyone else. You were so afraid of letting him down, because he always had your back. This was a coach that taught kids without a father how to deal with women, this was a coach that opened his home for guys, regardless of talent.
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Exactly the same for me, except my coach yelled like a man possessed when he needed to. Maybe wouldn't have worked for you, but he coached one of the FHSAA's Top 100 high school players of All-Time and got 11 of us to college. He also became a two time NCAA Coach of the Year at Rice and Duke.
 
These pu$$ies think its a game but to make dogs you have to prep em like they are going to war. These men are trying to build top level contact sport athletes out of primadonna kids who are taught that their emotions count more then anything... real life doesnt care about your feelings. Success is many times dependent on your ability to put your feelings aside so you can focus and stay motivated. Pressure creates diamonds. That human body and mind responds to short term stress by bettering itself.

Nowadays Ed Reed would be kicked off the team for bullying his fellow players and charged with assault. If you want to take another path then do so but if you think the rewards are worth the sacrifice then go for it.

Many people complain about Manny not developing kids and there being a lack of culture (which is code for accountability and discipline) but for some reason some people cant seem to grasp that the problem is one in the same. Being a pro athlete requires and insane amount of discipline and motivation and if being yelled at by a coach who is passionate about the game (and the proven process to improve) then find another gig. You deserve nothing and the choice is yours.
 
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OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
You didn't tell me why you think my statement is ”patently ridiculous”.

There is nothing ridiculous about it.

What’s ridiculous is using an incorrect cliche like “it’s not what you said but how you said it” to make a point.

What is said is actually as important, if not more, than how it is said. But the end result - was the message accepted and acted upon - is the most important factor, and my point.

Maybe he didn’t get through to those kids, maybe to some he did. It’s just a communication tactic to try to achieve a desired result. One that is very common in sports. I only have a problem with it, if it doesn’t work.
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I've been reading your posts about this and we seem to be on the same side. I also reread your post that I had initially responded to and it looks like I misunderstood what you were saying. I think I may have lumped your comments in with several others that I disagreed with.

Anyway, it pains me to do this, but here goes: I should not have called you out. I apologize.
 
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