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CanesAreAble said:
NVA CANE said:
Why does anyone believe this? I would take that punishment in a second. The fact that we would all be happy with that punishment means no way that's what it is. You have to be retarded to believe this. Miami is not an exception. PSU is an exception. Miami will be dealt with like every other school not named PSU.
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I wouldn't be surprised if that's the punishment we received, but procedurally it's all off.
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That I can go along with with one bowl ban served. But I agree procedurely it's way off. To the person that said Miami is an exception then the punishment listed above doesn't merit exception status. PSU was an ecception and got dealt with exceptionally. Believe me you DO NOT want Miami to be an exception. Either ohio state or south carolina got praised for their cooperation as well by the NCAA.
 
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Well the OP is BS but I still don't understand why everyone thinks we'll get hammered. No players snitched, circumstantial evidence, Randy banning contact, main source of allegations is a convicted Ponzi schemer... what is there not to like for us as fans? Please correct me if I'm missing something.
 
Caneofthe718 said:
Well the OP is BS but I still don't understand why everyone thinks we'll get hammered. No players snitched, circumstantial evidence, Randy banning contact, main source of allegations is a convicted Ponzi schemer... what is there not to like for us as fans? Please correct me if I'm missing something.
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The media sensation the story was will make the punishment more than it should be. Perception is reality and no way the NCAA goes soft on a program the whole country thinks should get harshly punished. It won't be death penalty or even close but we will get hit and it will sting but not much more than that.
 
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LuCane said:
Too good to be true.

I'd ******* go buy actual rollerblades and skate my way around the entire cot**** city.
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I would skate around my kitchen.

However, the coaches (Golden) seems to be confident and optimistic that the sanctions will be minor. So, who knows?
 
This is from the Oregon case, and they were working toward Summar Disposition which would avoid a Notice of Allegations. Not crazy that UM is taking the same path.

So how does the process work from here? According to past history and sources familiar with these investigations, here's a window into what could be ahead:

The NCAA defines summary disposition, in part, as "a cooperative process between the school, involved individuals and the NCAA enforcement staff."

"The school during the investigation at any point, can express an interest in following the summary disposition process," said NCAA spokesperson Stacey Osburn, who is forbidden from addressing specific details in any investigation.

"But it really rests on whether or not they agree on all of the findings. If they don't, they should have an opportunity to go before the Committee on Infractions and address the committee as to why they don't agree.

"That's why there could be potential sharing back and forth of documents -- it could be the enforcement staff is working with the school to this point."
 
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3FW said:
This is from the Oregon case, and they were working toward Summar Disposition which would avoid a Notice of Allegations. Not crazy that UM is taking the same path.

So how does the process work from here? According to past history and sources familiar with these investigations, here's a window into what could be ahead:

The NCAA defines summary disposition, in part, as "a cooperative process between the school, involved individuals and the NCAA enforcement staff."

"The school during the investigation at any point, can express an interest in following the summary disposition process," said NCAA spokesperson Stacey Osburn, who is forbidden from addressing specific details in any investigation.

"But it really rests on whether or not they agree on all of the findings. If they don't, they should have an opportunity to go before the Committee on Infractions and address the committee as to why they don't agree.

"That's why there could be potential sharing back and forth of documents -- it could be the enforcement staff is working with the school to this point."
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Thanks for the info.
 
NVA CANE said:
Caneofthe718 said:
Well the OP is BS but I still don't understand why everyone thinks we'll get hammered. No players snitched, circumstantial evidence, Randy banning contact, main source of allegations is a convicted Ponzi schemer... what is there not to like for us as fans? Please correct me if I'm missing something.
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The media sensation the story was will make the punishment more than it should be. Perception is reality and no way the NCAA goes soft on a program the whole country thinks should get harshly punished. It won't be death penalty or even close but we will get hit and it will sting but not much more than that.
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I really dont believe the NCAA will punish harsh if it turns out there really wasnt anything with real teeth to it, but I do believe they are cognizant of the public's perception of this case and, if we get off easy, will go out of their way to outline that:

- the allegations are not all true
- many of the allegations are not actually NCAA violations (strip clubs, etc)
- the University cooperated willingly throughout and while that does not necessarily mean they should be punished less, it does mean you can't compare the punishment to other schools' punishments (basically ghosting anyone that is going to compare this to USC or similar situations)
 
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I've said since the start of the year when all of the good press for us cooperating with the investigation broke that we only got 1-2 more years of a bowl ban and would lose 9-15 total schollies over three seasons. From reading this thread is seems like that is "skating", and I'd agree...but I really think it's realistic.

Had we went into the investigation with the "fvck you we ain't talkin" attitude, then we would probably get hammered as some folks would have you believe. Due to how cooperative we've been, I just don't see much worse than what I laid out above.

IMO--the best it gets is 1 more year bowl ban/9 schollies over 3 years, and that's it. Worst case--2 more bowl bans, 15 schollies over 3 years, possible game forfeitures (which how bad would that really hurt?), the university having to pay some kind of fine, and any kids remaining on the team that they can tie to improper benefits get suspended until they repay the monetary value of those benefits.

Either way--I'll take it. Neither one is the "death penalty" like had been thrown around early when Robintard's article came out, and it doesn't cripple us. Really, it puts us in the spot USC was in, if not better shape than what they were when their sanctions hit.
 
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******* anything to just get this **** behind us so we can move forward with recruiting and winning games.
 
How do you know no players snitched?

Perhaps you are sure, but I have seen nothing definitive that no players snitched. Have you?

All I saw was Ty Moss with front page headlines bragging it up, and that was without even being pressed. He was yacking.

Do you know the NCAA found NOBODY willing to talk? Or are you speculating?

Just asking.

Caneofthe718 said:
Well the OP is BS but I still don't understand why everyone thinks we'll get hammered. No players snitched, circumstantial evidence, Randy banning contact, main source of allegations is a convicted Ponzi schemer... what is there not to like for us as fans? Please correct me if I'm missing something.
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BALDYCHUTES said:
How do you know no players snitched?

Perhaps you are sure, but I have seen nothing definitive that no players snitched. Have you?

All I saw was Ty Moss with front page headlines bragging it up, and that was without even being pressed. He was yacking.

Do you know the NCAA found NOBODY willing to talk? Or are you speculating?

Just asking.

Caneofthe718 said:
Well the OP is BS but I still don't understand why everyone thinks we'll get hammered. No players snitched, circumstantial evidence, Randy banning contact, main source of allegations is a convicted Ponzi schemer... what is there not to like for us as fans? Please correct me if I'm missing something.
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The NCAA has renewed efforts to try to get former UM players to corroborate Nevin Shapiro’s claims and has asked UM for help in contacting them. Predictably, the former UM players have been ignoring the NCAA’s calls


http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2012/07/chad-ochocinco-unfiltered-he-expects-monster-year-marlins-trade-umncaa-heat-news.html#storylink=cpy
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Miami had corrobarated more violations than the NCAA could.

For all the heat Shalala gets, she knows what she's doing. Compared to the bonehead moves Southern California and Ohio State made during their investigations, Miami administrators have kept their mouths shut and by all accounts is cooperating with the NCAA. Golden certainly talks about the investigation as a joint one, implying Miami is just as involved as the NCAA is. USC couldn't do that even if they wanted to - they basically had a one man compliance department.

I'd bet Miami has doled out big time money for lawyers. Not to mention she has experience with bureaucracies and is politically connected, that that she will get Miami out of harsh penalties because she knows Bill Clinton, but you can bet she wouldn't put her or her university's reputation on the line to skirt potential athletic sanctions.
 
Also, question:

Miami being a private university, is the possibility (it definitely will not, but hypothetically) of Miami soldiering up and suing the NCAA a possible trump card for UM? A lot of the allegations are based on flimsy or impossible to verify details... I don't think the NCAA could actually justify essentially destroying a football program to the detriment of the entire University of Miami (a very good school and a contributor to top of the line medicinal research) based on the hearsay of a jilted ex con and his stripper girlfriend.

I feel like that would get waxed in court if Miami had the legal grounds to challenge something like that in court.
 
canecountry3 said:
Also, question:

Miami being a private university, is the possibility (it definitely will not, but hypothetically) of Miami soldiering up and suing the NCAA a possible trump card for UM? A lot of the allegations are based on flimsy or impossible to verify details... I don't think the NCAA could actually justify essentially destroying a football program to the detriment of the entire University of Miami (a very good school and a contributor to top of the line medicinal research) based on the hearsay of a jilted ex con and his stripper girlfriend.

I feel like that would get waxed in court if Miami had the legal grounds to challenge something like that in court.
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USC is a private school, some people forget that.
 
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