Sun Life Stadium

Ultimately, the big picture is that a private university like the U, who does not have boosters like T Boone Pickens, is not going to spend $300million for 6 or 7 days of use per year. It would be a waste of money that could be used for other purposes.A state school can afford to waste tax payer money on such projects not a private school that would have to justify the need when there are other alternatives.

It is great for football fans to get riled up over the lack of a home stadium but that is not going to fly as appropriate use of funds to the non-football types.Great discussion but moot!
 
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On-campus or near campus--not happening. I personally really like this renovation plan. It looks like the low corners might experience a slightly obstructed view, but that could just be the rendering and not reality. This type of stadium plays to the city's strengths, open air (but with shade), smaller capacity, louder atmosphere, etc...Guys, this is the type of venue that I think could really give us the home field advantage we have been dying for. Not to mention, the stadium at first glance seems to be unique. If they can somehow capture that Miami vibe...they will hit a home run (**** the Marlins no pun intended).

no way they decrease capacity in a pro stadium. u need 75k for an NFL team

Take a peak at NFL stadium capacities around the country and get back to me. The FACTS say you are completely mis-informed.
 
On-campus or near campus--not happening. I personally really like this renovation plan. It looks like the low corners might experience a slightly obstructed view, but that could just be the rendering and not reality. This type of stadium plays to the city's strengths, open air (but with shade), smaller capacity, louder atmosphere, etc...Guys, this is the type of venue that I think could really give us the home field advantage we have been dying for. Not to mention, the stadium at first glance seems to be unique. If they can somehow capture that Miami vibe...they will hit a home run (**** the Marlins no pun intended).

no way they decrease capacity in a pro stadium. u need 75k for an NFL team

Take a peak at NFL stadium capacities around the country and get back to me. The FACTS say you are completely mis-informed.

That might be true but they aren't going to drastically decrease capacity for Sun Life, considering they want to be able to get Super Bowls in the future.
 
On-campus or near campus--not happening. I personally really like this renovation plan. It looks like the low corners might experience a slightly obstructed view, but that could just be the rendering and not reality. This type of stadium plays to the city's strengths, open air (but with shade), smaller capacity, louder atmosphere, etc...Guys, this is the type of venue that I think could really give us the home field advantage we have been dying for. Not to mention, the stadium at first glance seems to be unique. If they can somehow capture that Miami vibe...they will hit a home run (**** the Marlins no pun intended).

no way they decrease capacity in a pro stadium. u need 75k for an NFL team

Take a peak at NFL stadium capacities around the country and get back to me. The FACTS say you are completely mis-informed.

That might be true but they aren't going to drastically decrease capacity for Sun Life, considering they want to be able to get Super Bowls in the future.

Exactly. This whole thing is being driven by the threat of losing SB's and the NFL is not going to cut the seats.

It's why Dallas is now going to be in the regular rotation, IMO.
 
On-campus or near campus--not happening. I personally really like this renovation plan. It looks like the low corners might experience a slightly obstructed view, but that could just be the rendering and not reality. This type of stadium plays to the city's strengths, open air (but with shade), smaller capacity, louder atmosphere, etc...Guys, this is the type of venue that I think could really give us the home field advantage we have been dying for. Not to mention, the stadium at first glance seems to be unique. If they can somehow capture that Miami vibe...they will hit a home run (**** the Marlins no pun intended).

no way they decrease capacity in a pro stadium. u need 75k for an NFL team

Take a peak at NFL stadium capacities around the country and get back to me. The FACTS say you are completely mis-informed.

also consider they want to draw the BCS title game in the future, as well.
 
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Hey Consigliere...

Good points. SLS is still 25 miles from campus. It will always be the home of the Fins. The people of Dade County will NEVER fund $400M in renovations after what the Marlins pulled.

The answer is simple. UM should enter a public-private deal to build a 50K seat stadium at Tropical Park, just 3.5 miles from campus. The site has freeway(2) access and enough land for the stadium, parking and a retail development. UM will have to pay for the construction of the stadium, which would anchor a retail environment with stores, theaters, clubs and restaurants that might be called "Hurricane Harbor."

Baylor is a small private university that is about the same size as UM. They just broke ground on their new stadium (50K seats) adjacent to the campus. Check it out!

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Hey Consigliere...

Good points. SLS is still 25 miles from campus. It will always be the home of the Fins. The people of Dade County will NEVER fund $400M in renovations after what the Marlins pulled.

The answer is simple. UM should enter a public-private deal to build a 50K seat stadium at Tropical Park, just 3.5 miles from campus. The site has freeway(2) access and enough land for the stadium, parking and a retail development. UM will have to pay for the construction of the stadium, which would anchor a retail environment with stores, theaters, clubs and restaurants that might be called "Hurricane Harbor."

Baylor is a small private university that is about the same size as UM. They just broke ground on their new stadium (50K seats) adjacent to the campus. Check it out!

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Tex,

Baylor and Tulane had the drive to get it done and we have none. That is the major difference, Baylor and Tulane believed in the need to get a place of their own and we don't. I am sick of all the we can'ts from our fans too. We can, but it requires a bunch of time and effort. It requires focus and it will require capital. I have no doubt that if this was something important to the school, we would actively pursue it (fundraising, zoning commissions, architect and engineer schematics etc.) I just don't think it is important to the school.

Please note I am not asking for a stadium for the 2013 season or the 2014, 2015, 2016 or 2017 but how about a 5-6 year plan to get us ready for 2018. How about (if we can't build at the lands we own by the Zoo) we trade land (plus other consideration) for the lands at tropical park?

I love the idea of Tropical Park, I think it makes perfect sense.

http://www.sportsnola.com/sports/tu...nounces-fundraising-campaign-for-stadium.html
 
Hey gang...

The projected cost of the Sun Life Stadium renovations is $400,000,000. We can build a new well designed 50,000 seat stadium for $300M at Tropical Park. Check this stadium out. It's Baylor's new 45,000 seat stadium that's under construction. We could design our with the roof shaped like the "U".

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Hey gang...

The projected cost of the Sun Life Stadium renovations is $400,000,000. We can build a new well designed 50,000 seat stadium for $300M at Tropical Park. Check this stadium out. It's Baylor's new 45,000 seat stadium that's under construction. We could design our with the roof shaped like the "U".

:cigar:

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I have no intricate knowledge whatsoever about the political scene or the movers/shakers in south Florida...............but why can't we do this? What are the actual reasons?..
 
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Son Life is our home for the next 25 year guys. Ross also says he is going to put back the infield dirt this year as a cost-cut measure. Less expensive to irrigate dirt than grass. The renovation will help matter but we are going to keep loosing the facilities war with other big-scale schools like FIU. Might as well move the team to Doral. Go Cane!
 
Hey gang...

The projected cost of the Sun Life Stadium renovations is $400,000,000. We can build a new well designed 50,000 seat stadium for $300M at Tropical Park. Check this stadium out. It's Baylor's new 45,000 seat stadium that's under construction. We could design our with the roof shaped like the "U".

:cigar:

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I have no intricate knowledge whatsoever about the political scene or the movers/shakers in south Florida...............but why can't we do this? What are the actual reasons?..

I cannot give you a 100% sound affirmative answer, my guess is that there is no serious drive from the admin/board of trustees to get this done. It probably requires a bunch of hardwork to do too, not impossible just hard work.
 
Hey cane world...

I agree that a stadium's cost for just seven days is probably not justified on the surface. However, the revenue generated during those seven days is enough to pay down a year's debt. Then you have to consider alumni giving. There is a direct correlation between alumni giving and a school's athletic program. A stadium that provides a great game day experience on or near campus drives millions of dollars in alumni contributions every year.

There's more to having your own stadium than seven days of games. Baylor is a fiscally well managed school. They are a private school with an enrollment around 11,000. Did they become "dumb" all of a sudden?

:cigar:
 
If the Canes deserve a place of their own, then they will build a place. It ain't happening.

If they move the seats closer and have most everyone in the lower bowl, I think the game day experience will be improved. If the team can win and get 50k per game, the stadium won't be an issue.

Stupid, stupid, stupid. Think long term.

Why can Tulane and Baylor do it? We have more TOTAL students then both of those schools, we have more tradition and we deserve it.

The problem is there is no plan, we know we have to build the stadium but there is no serious drive to do so. All this BS about fixing SLS is irrelevant to me because we still will be playing in Miami Gardens in a place that is not ours. SLS is now is terrible, putting a bandaide on it won't help much.

A plan needs to be developed, a plan with a lot of fund raising and and perhaps a debt sale. There is a lot of land in Miami and we own a lot too, nobody intelligent is saying an ON CAMPUS STADIUM...but how about a near campus stadium.

Baylor is out in the middle of nowhere, and Tulane is on the most depressed economy in the country. So don't compare them to UM, which is in the middle of one of the most expensive real estate markets in the country
 
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great images but one thing. we signed a lease with SLS and also we dont have to pay for any of the SLS renovation or any of the upkeep. Blake James has said they see no need to move from SLS at this point in time. honestly, if we start winning the stadium thing will take care itself in terms of support for building a new one or bettering the atmosphere at SLS (atmosphere will improve when there are butts in the seats). at this point,the county has no reason to build a stadium to be used 6 times a year and when you draw only 30k people. when the stadium was full, the SLS atmosphere was fantastic and it was loud. all it takes is people to show up on a consistent basis.
 
If the Canes deserve a place of their own, then they will build a place. It ain't happening.

If they move the seats closer and have most everyone in the lower bowl, I think the game day experience will be improved. If the team can win and get 50k per game, the stadium won't be an issue.

Stupid, stupid, stupid. Think long term.

Why can Tulane and Baylor do it? We have more TOTAL students then both of those schools, we have more tradition and we deserve it.

The problem is there is no plan, we know we have to build the stadium but there is no serious drive to do so. All this BS about fixing SLS is irrelevant to me because we still will be playing in Miami Gardens in a place that is not ours. SLS is now is terrible, putting a bandaide on it won't help much.

A plan needs to be developed, a plan with a lot of fund raising and and perhaps a debt sale. There is a lot of land in Miami and we own a lot too, nobody intelligent is saying an ON CAMPUS STADIUM...but how about a near campus stadium.

Baylor is out in the middle of nowhere, and Tulane is on the most depressed economy in the country. So don't compare them to UM, which is in the middle of one of the most expensive real estate markets in the country

New Orleans has cheap real estate, do you have a broker I would like to buy some. Also what does "most depressed economy" mean?

No disrespect but this is inaccurate about Tulane. As for Baylor, they had a plan and stuck to it. I already stated that Miami already owns land off campus by the Metro Zoo, so now that land isn't an issue it seems we just need the right people to get it started.

The issue is your post, it seems that we have 1000s of people that won't get behind this because they have these beliefs...

1. Zoning,

2. It is expensive,

3. Parking,

4. Insert fake reason here (etc.)

Yes, these things are a big deal and require a lot of work but they can all be overcome...the question is do we want it?
 
Hey cane world...

I agree that a stadium's cost for just seven days is probably not justified on the surface. However, the revenue generated during those seven days is enough to pay down a year's debt. Then you have to consider alumni giving. There is a direct correlation between alumni giving and a school's athletic program. A stadium that provides a great game day experience on or near campus drives millions of dollars in alumni contributions every year.

There's more to having your own stadium than seven days of games. Baylor is a fiscally well managed school. They are a private school with an enrollment around 11,000. Did they become "dumb" all of a sudden?

:cigar:

Our president was able to raise a billion dollars, yes a billion dollars. "Momentum: The Campaign for the University of Miami, which concluded at the end of 2007 and raised more than $1.4 billion for endowed chairs and professorships, scholarships, facilities, academic and medical programs, and other initiatives."

Here is Momentum 2..."The goal of the campaign is to raise $1.6 billion, which will further establish UM as one of the nation’s most renowned centers of higher education, research, innovation and outreach."

How about we take $200 Million and spend it on a stadium, along with some debt sale.

We may only use the stadium (the Canes) 6-7 times a year but that doesn't mean we can't rent it out or generate revenue from other events as well (Concerts, HS Football, Bowl Games).
 
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1- Tulane built a rinky dink $55M stadium that seats 30,000. It doesn't even have an upper deck. Please don't make me explain why this isn't a viable comparison in any way, shape or form.

2- Baylor Stadium will actually only hold 45,000 people. It will cost $250M... before overages. So imagine what a 60k stadium would cost. They are getting $35M from public funds which we won't get. It included $120M in private donations that UM boosters would never, ever put up. It also includes $100M in bonds (ie: debt) that Baylor intends to issue.

I hope this illustrates why what Tulane and Baylor are doing has no relation to what we need or can get done. Unless you want to donate $100M to the project, I don't think its fair to point fingers.
 
1- Tulane built a rinky dink $55M stadium that seats 30,000. It doesn't even have an upper deck. Please don't make me explain why this isn't a viable comparison in any way, shape or form.

2- Baylor Stadium will actually only hold 45,000 people. It will cost $250M... before overages. So imagine what a 60k stadium would cost. They are getting $35M from public funds which we won't get. It included $120M in private donations that UM boosters would never, ever put up. It also includes $100M in bonds (ie: debt) that Baylor intends to issue.

I hope this illustrates why what Tulane and Baylor are doing has no relation to what we need or can get done. Unless you want to donate $100M to the project, I don't think its fair to point fingers.

[Before we start, none of these are reasons why we can't do it]

That is fine on Tulane, my point is a program with no tradition (F*ck JP Losman) with 8300 undergrad found it worthy to build their own stadium. I don't care if our new stadium is only 45K, we have a lot of trouble getting 45K as it is. So build a 45K stadium in the shape of the U with optional extra seating for some big game (fill in the U). If we can raise 1.4 billion and now we attempt to raise 1.6 billion (see above) then we can put together enough money to get this done.

Tulane and Baylor are both proof of small private schools who had the drive to go out and build a stadium. This is the point. I can point fingers all I want, I am pointing them at the AD, Board of Trustees etc. that it is not a priority of them to get us a stadium.

We can raise another 1.6 billion, sure. Why can't we start (at least start) a serious fundraising campaign for our football team? We already own the land.
 
1- Tulane built a rinky dink $55M stadium that seats 30,000. It doesn't even have an upper deck. Please don't make me explain why this isn't a viable comparison in any way, shape or form.

2- Baylor Stadium will actually only hold 45,000 people. It will cost $250M... before overages. So imagine what a 60k stadium would cost. They are getting $35M from public funds which we won't get. It included $120M in private donations that UM boosters would never, ever put up. It also includes $100M in bonds (ie: debt) that Baylor intends to issue.

I hope this illustrates why what Tulane and Baylor are doing has no relation to what we need or can get done. Unless you want to donate $100M to the project, I don't think its fair to point fingers.

[Before we start, none of these are reasons why we can't do it]

That is fine on Tulane, my point is a program with no tradition (F*ck JP Losman) with 8300 undergrad found it worthy to build their own stadium. I don't care if our new stadium is only 45K, we have a lot of trouble getting 45K as it is. So build a 45K stadium in the shape of the U with optional extra seating for some big game (fill in the U). If we can raise 1.4 billion and now we attempt to raise 1.6 billion (see above) then we can put together enough money to get this done.

Tulane and Baylor are both proof of small private schools who had the drive to go out and build a stadium. This is the point. I can point fingers all I want, I am pointing them at the AD, Board of Trustees etc. that it is not a priority of them to get us a stadium.

We can raise another 1.6 billion, sure. Why can't we start (at least start) a serious fundraising campaign for our football team? We already own the land.

I love your enthusiasm, but you didn't address any of my points. What Tulane being able to build a $55M stadium has to do with Miami needing a $300M stadium, I have no idea.

And I am glad you are ok with a 45k stadium, but again, in Miami and with overruns, we're talking $300M or more.. just for that. 60k is probably $400M.

Furthermore, Tulane and Baylor both have much more generous alumni than Miami when it comes to sports.

Our ability to raise 1.6B is impressive. Most of it goes to the med school. Those donors are using their earmarked money to save lives and further education, not built a temple to Miami football. Ask the guy who gave $50M to the Bascomb eye institute for $2M for football and you will get laughed at.

I want this too, but its not realistic.

As for the finances, no. Miami cannot afford to play in a 45k stadium IMHO (revenue). But putting that aside, the debt we'd have to carry on the $150M we would have to raise (IF WE COULD GET THE GOV'T TO KICK IN $50M... AND IF WE COULD RAISE $100M- NEITHER OF WHICH ARE REMOTELY POSSIBLE) would kill the athletic department, crippling their annual budget.

I wish too, man. I do, badly. I miss the OB and despise SLS.

EDIT: And what is this last you say we own?
 
1- Tulane built a rinky dink $55M stadium that seats 30,000. It doesn't even have an upper deck. Please don't make me explain why this isn't a viable comparison in any way, shape or form.

2- Baylor Stadium will actually only hold 45,000 people. It will cost $250M... before overages. So imagine what a 60k stadium would cost. They are getting $35M from public funds which we won't get. It included $120M in private donations that UM boosters would never, ever put up. It also includes $100M in bonds (ie: debt) that Baylor intends to issue.

I hope this illustrates why what Tulane and Baylor are doing has no relation to what we need or can get done. Unless you want to donate $100M to the project, I don't think its fair to point fingers.

[Before we start, none of these are reasons why we can't do it]

That is fine on Tulane, my point is a program with no tradition (F*ck JP Losman) with 8300 undergrad found it worthy to build their own stadium. I don't care if our new stadium is only 45K, we have a lot of trouble getting 45K as it is. So build a 45K stadium in the shape of the U with optional extra seating for some big game (fill in the U). If we can raise 1.4 billion and now we attempt to raise 1.6 billion (see above) then we can put together enough money to get this done.

Tulane and Baylor are both proof of small private schools who had the drive to go out and build a stadium. This is the point. I can point fingers all I want, I am pointing them at the AD, Board of Trustees etc. that it is not a priority of them to get us a stadium.

We can raise another 1.6 billion, sure. Why can't we start (at least start) a serious fundraising campaign for our football team? We already own the land.

I love your enthusiasm, but you didn't address any of my points. What Tulane being able to build a $55M stadium has to do with Miami needing a $300M stadium, I have no idea.

And I am glad you are ok with a 45k stadium, but again, in Miami and with overruns, we're talking $300M or more.. just for that. 60k is probably $400M.

Furthermore, Tulane and Baylor both have much more generous alumni than Miami when it comes to sports.

Our ability to raise 1.6B is impressive. Most of it goes to the med school. Those donors are using their earmarked money to save lives and further education, not built a temple to Miami football. Ask the guy who gave $50M to the Bascomb eye institute for $2M for football and you will get laughed at.

I want this too, but its not realistic.

As for the finances, no. Miami cannot afford to play in a 45k stadium IMHO (revenue). But putting that aside, the debt we'd have to carry on the $150M we would have to raise (IF WE COULD GET THE GOV'T TO KICK IN $50M... AND IF WE COULD RAISE $100M- NEITHER OF WHICH ARE REMOTELY POSSIBLE) would kill the athletic department, crippling their annual budget.

I wish too, man. I do, badly. I miss the OB and despise SLS.

EDIT: And what is this last you say we own?

I did address everything. Tulane and Baylor found it much more of a desire then us to build a stadium. Regardless of costs for a second, Baylor and Tulane said we're building a stadium and they built a stadium. How about a 7 year plan? How about we put down a plan?

As for the 45K, Miami can afford to play in a 45K stadium. I don't see why not. We rent and put 45K in the seats (split the revenue). We buy and put 45K in the seats (keep the revenue). Why can't we afford it when we only get under 50K in the stadium on average. There are noon games when we're in the low 30s. I can't get into the debt (bond sale) because it is a conversation that can get very long and drawn out, but I know we could do it ...so agree to disagree here. I know we could do better in our own stadium (revenue wise) too. As for the overages, sure there will be overages but you have to spend to make.

I am 100% sure we could do it (here is the key) if we wanted to do it. But we don't want to do it.

We own a bunch of land (all flat and unused) by the Metro Zoo. I have said this before, we wanted to build some campus there but we never did.

I know we both want the stadium.
 
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