Stephen Morris's 2 Touchdowns..... Crazy

[The Franchise]

We'll if as you said he always hits his players in stride this would assume by any logical standard that the qb was extremely accurate. A sub 60% says otherwise. Elite college qbs are well above this number. This would be akin to someone saying a gun always hits the bullseye but misses the target completely 40% of the time. Or as lee Trevino always said 90% of putts that don't make it to the hole don't go in. As for Morris v Winston being the biggest most important difference in the game, yes I absolutely believe that. An elite qb makes a huge difference. What do u think fuss defensive gameplay was last night. I will give u a hint, his initials were SM and it was along the lines of make him beat you. Conversely, what was miamis dc gameplan. Don't let Winston beat us. Do you see the difference and how that strategy on both sides impacts more than just the play of those two players. I'm not one of these people looking to bash Morris but it is what it.is

Jameis Winston on Miami and Morris on FSU.... FSU still wins the game by double digits.

WHY? b/c they have a defense that gets them the ball back and stops teams on 3rd downs.

Winston threw 2 interceptions as well w/ only 1 Passing TD to Devonta Freeman on that bubble screen.... if he did that for us, Miami would only have 1 TD on the scoreboard and everybody would be talking about how much Winston sucks on this site.

Part of the reason fsu's D got off the field was because Morris couldn't hit some open receivers and doesn't process information quickly enough to find open secondary receivers. Squintston does all that stuff that Morris doesn't do, and that's why he's elite, and that's why fsu went from a good program the last few years to an elite level this year.

 

[L A M P]

That long TD pass to Coley (which put us right back in the game) was elite........ Oh wait.

 

[ScubaCane]

Morris is frustrating to watch, he can look like John Elway on one throw and like Jacory Harris on the next. On his 2nd pick, he tried to force the ball into Walford when he had Crawford wide open out of the backfield, which would have gone for 20 yds.

 

[decleated]

Losing Dorsett was a huge loss for the Canes, Morris and him had their timing down perfect this year..

This seems to be a new movement. But I think it's fable. Coley was open for a long TD, and Morris just underthrew him. That's got nothing to do with Dorsett being injured.

I disagree..
Morris knows how fast Dorsett can run routes they had last year and summer to get things corrected with their timing..
There is always that one WR that QB's are comfortable with and Dorsett was that guy for Morris..
The injury to Morris is clearly affecting his throwing ability, but losing Dorsett sucks..

 

[Coach Macho]

We don't give Morris very many easy throws. You watch FSU's offense and their OC gives Winston a ton of easy reads and throws. There wasn't a single throw that Winston made that Morris couldn't have. Morris completion percentage would be higher too if we incorporated more intermediate throws. We refuse to nickel and dime people though, we rather go vertical and down the hashes.

 

[Angry Ibis]

Bottom line - Morris is inconsistent. When he is on, he makes elite throws. When he is off he makes questionable decisions, poor throws and his ankle mind ***** him. Losing receivers to injuries always hurts but Dorsett's injury did not under throw Coley, lack touch or force the INT to Walford. That is on Morris. Dorsett and Scott were both hurt in the first half when he made elite throws.

Morris is a wildcard. Aces we win out until Charlotte and come in on a roll. Jokers and Duke plays FSU and we ***** and moan.

He can lead this team to a BCS Bowl. All he needs to do is play and use the weapons he has - his own and those around him.

I'm riding with him.

 

[Angry Ibis]

We don't give Morris very many easy throws. You watch FSU's offense and their OC gives Winston a ton of easy reads and throws. There wasn't a single throw that Winston made that Morris couldn't have. Morris completion percentage would be higher too if we incorporated more intermediate throws. We refuse to nickel and dime people though, we rather go vertical and down the hashes.

I think the question everyone has is: Do we refuse to nickel and dime or does he refuse to take what is given? Probably a little bit of both.

 

[hoops156]

No one is questioning Morris arm strength, he can throw the ball on a rope..
Consistency is the issue with Morris along with his pocket presence..
Morris is not the smartest QB out there and makes dumb decisions when he is pressured..
I great O-Line is what he needs to cover up those issues, right now his weaknesses are being expose..

What's the difference between his 2 interceptions and Jameis Winston's?

Why is 1 QB considered a good QB but can throw interceptions while S. Morris doesnt have that luxury?

because winston has completed 70% of his passes on the year to go along with 24 TDs against 6 INTs despite playing a lackluster game against us, whereas morris is throwing 60% for 12 TDs and 10 INTs. oh and winston is a freshman in his 8th career game whereas morris is a senior with over 20 starts under his belt. look, i'm a huge morris critic and i acknowledge that those touchdown passes, along with those 3rd-and-longs that he converted were incredible throws. the touchdown at the end of the first half is a throw that some nfl quarterbacks can't make. the problem is that he isn't consistent. after going 3 and out, our defense was on the field for a long 80+ yard drive and he gives it right back to fsu on the next offense snap. game was over after that.

the main problem is Winston is going to get the ball a **** of a lot more then Morris... defense effects the offense. FSU's defense get's off the field on 3rd downs all season, Miami's defense doesnt get off the field all season.

Which means more possessions for Winston and less possessions for Morris..... also to act like the ankle injury which has to do w/ his Achilles, has nothing to do w/ Morris's numbers this year is ridiculous.

Jameis Winston wouldnt look the same on 1 leg either.

Is he an Elite QB, NO, but Morris is a good qb though.

look man u keep saying winston is gonna get the ball more than morris. I'm pretty sure miami is losing the TOP battle in most games this year and the D hasn't really been terrible all year. we have too many three and outs and against FSU we couldn't have that many. miami ranks 119 in TOP at the site I'm looking at now and thats not bc of the D all the time. the three n outs don't help. we had basically 2 possessions that third quarter bc we can't move the chains consistently. we needed to score that opening drive no matter what.

 

[FreePawn]

Both plays the guy who gets the pass is his first option and he stares him down from the snap of the ball. That is Morris problem, not physical ability. He doesn´t have the mental skills to be anything more than above average college QB with an arm any NFL QB would envy.

 

[FreePawn]

Squintston

 

[Coach Macho]

We don't give Morris very many easy throws. You watch FSU's offense and their OC gives Winston a ton of easy reads and throws. There wasn't a single throw that Winston made that Morris couldn't have. Morris completion percentage would be higher too if we incorporated more intermediate throws. We refuse to nickel and dime people though, we rather go vertical and down the hashes.

I think the question everyone has is: Do we refuse to nickel and dime or does he refuse to take what is given? Probably a little bit of both.

We don't run many nickel-and-dime routes though.

Watch that first offensive series by FSU. Watch how they picked on our LB's. They run a simple 6 or 7 yard curl route right next to the LB's. Winston zips it in there, the WR turns around and the next thing you know he's rolling forward for a first down.

We run routes that require Morris to make an elite throw. FSU's OC makes things easy for Winston by attacking certain defenders. (i.e. a LB or Safety)

EXAMPLES:

*On the long catch where Bush drilled the WR as he caught it. We were in Cover-2 so what does FSU do? They send a route to the flats, force the Corner to step up and then they run another WR on a corner route right behind the CB. Simple read. If the CB steps up to flats, throw behind him to the corner route. If the CB sinks on the corner route, throw to the flats. That's called "high lowing" a Cornerback. FSU did this to us a couple times.

*FSU ran WR's on simple curl routes right next to our LB's. Our LB's are sitting there starring at the QB and Winston simply zips the ball into the bubble in our zone. (where the WR is told to camp out)


We don't do this on offense. Many of our throws are outside the hashes and vertical. (i.e. more difficult throws)

 

[hoops156]

Did you know that Morris and Winston both average 26 attempts per game?
Did you know that Winston had 1 more attempt then Morris in this game?
One QB completed 72% of his passes while the other completed 57% of his passes..
It's easy to blame the defense but what killed those drives for the offense?
How was our 3rd conversions compared to the Noles?

The 3rd down conversions compared to the Noles were lopsided b/c of the 2 defenses.

Miami was actually good on 3rd down conversions against FSU... 4-12 (33%)the entire game but it was closer to 50% until the game got out of hand. UM alsp converted 1-3 on 4th downs. Only one of the 4th down attempts was when Miami was still in the game.

FSU went 11-15 on 3rd down conversions against UM.... if Miami's defense could have got that number down to just 7-15 (which is still high), thats 4 extra possessions this offense couldve had to put points on the board.

hasn't FSU been really good on third downs ALL SEASON? u should look closer into why that is. morris is what he was when he came in. he can make all the throws but isn't consistent

 

[Canesfan1899]

We don't give Morris very many easy throws. You watch FSU's offense and their OC gives Winston a ton of easy reads and throws. There wasn't a single throw that Winston made that Morris couldn't have. Morris completion percentage would be higher too if we incorporated more intermediate throws. We refuse to nickel and dime people though, we rather go vertical and down the hashes.

I think the question everyone has is: Do we refuse to nickel and dime or does he refuse to take what is given? Probably a little bit of both.

We don't run many nickel-and-dime routes though.

Watch that first offensive series by FSU. Watch how they picked on our LB's. They run a simple 6 or 7 yard curl route right next to the LB's. Winston zips it in there, the WR turns around and the next thing you know he's rolling forward for a first down.

We run routes that require Morris to make an elite throw. FSU's OC makes things easy for Winston by attacking certain defenders. (i.e. a LB or Safety)

EXAMPLES:

*On the long catch where Bush drilled the WR as he caught it. We were in Cover-2 so what does FSU do? They send a route to the flats, force the Corner to step up and then they run another WR on a corner route right behind the CB. Simple read. If the CB steps up to flats, throw behind him to the corner route. If the CB sinks on the corner route, throw to the flats. That's called "high lowing" a Cornerback. FSU did this to us a couple times.

*FSU ran WR's on simple curl routes right next to our LB's. Our LB's are sitting there starring at the QB and Winston simply zips the ball into the bubble in our zone. (where the WR is told to camp out)


We don't do this on offense. Many of our throws are outside the hashes and vertical. (i.e. more difficult throws)

I agree that our play calling is not helping Morris out at all, but in fairness he never checks the ball down anyway.

 

[hoops156]

Morris is frustrating to watch, he can look like John Elway on one throw and like Jacory Harris on the next. On his 2nd pick, he tried to force the ball into Walford when he had Crawford wide open out of the backfield, which would have gone for 20 yds.

the moment he threw that i screamed bad throw before it even got to walford. idk what the **** he was thinking to even throw that pass. I'm pretty sure half that dam stadium heard me too. this game defines morris's career. some elite throws mixed in w some what the **** was that.

 

[mapcane]

This guy's schtick is really old and stupid.

 

[OBLIVION]

2 throws out of 28.......sounds like a Morris thread.

The 2nd greatest QB in the past 20 years is being talked about.

Sitting back and enjoying this thread, because this only happens every 20 years or so.

 

[decleated]

It's time to move on, we take of business and we get another crack at these fools..

 

[JHallCanes]

That first TD pass is what makes so many of his other throws so frustrating. That thing was picture perfect.

 

[Picksix]

S. Morris always hits guys in stride, the 1st interception looked like he didnt get a lot on the throw, very unusual for him which led me to thinking that his ankle was bothering him again.

Which he was limping seriously after the scramble earlier in the game.

Ah yes, if his play goes downhill then we can always blame the "injury". If he's injured then get his *** out of the game.

 

[zone3cane]

We don't give Morris very many easy throws. You watch FSU's offense and their OC gives Winston a ton of easy reads and throws. There wasn't a single throw that Winston made that Morris couldn't have. Morris completion percentage would be higher too if we incorporated more intermediate throws. We refuse to nickel and dime people though, we rather go vertical and down the hashes.

I think the question everyone has is: Do we refuse to nickel and dime or does he refuse to take what is given? Probably a little bit of both.

We don't run many nickel-and-dime routes though.

Watch that first offensive series by FSU. Watch how they picked on our LB's. They run a simple 6 or 7 yard curl route right next to the LB's. Winston zips it in there, the WR turns around and the next thing you know he's rolling forward for a first down.

We run routes that require Morris to make an elite throw. FSU's OC makes things easy for Winston by attacking certain defenders. (i.e. a LB or Safety)

EXAMPLES:

*On the long catch where Bush drilled the WR as he caught it. We were in Cover-2 so what does FSU do? They send a route to the flats, force the Corner to step up and then they run another WR on a corner route right behind the CB. Simple read. If the CB steps up to flats, throw behind him to the corner route. If the CB sinks on the corner route, throw to the flats. That's called "high lowing" a Cornerback. FSU did this to us a couple times.

*FSU ran WR's on simple curl routes right next to our LB's. Our LB's are sitting there starring at the QB and Winston simply zips the ball into the bubble in our zone. (where the WR is told to camp out)


We don't do this on offense. Many of our throws are outside the hashes and vertical. (i.e. more difficult throws)

I agree that our play calling is not helping Morris out at all, but in fairness he never checks the ball down anyway.

that's not true.... you all keep saying he never checks the ball down, how do you know?

He was "checking the ball" to Clive Walford all game.