Spring Thoughts (Defense)

[Savannahcane]

To keep DJ and Garvin in the fold I wouldn't be surprised to see them in speed rush packages (3rd and long). Kick DJ and Chad inside and Joe and Garvin outside.

 

[scrantoncane]

Just a random thought from watching the scrimmage:

I'm pretty sure we play with field and boundary safeties. I noticed Redwine playing to the short side most of the time during the scrimmage. Considering we're a single high team, I can see us being able to play match coverage (man to the boundary; zone to the field). This means we would be rolling our safety coverage to the boundary and allowing Redwine to match up in man coverage with a slot receiver. If we roll safety coverage to the field under that same configuration, it probably means we're blitzing or playing some form of a checked coverage according to the formation displayed by the offense. Either way, it would allow Redwine to play matched up in the slot or in center field. In both situations I think he is being utilized according to his strengths.

The point of what I'm saying is that it's an interesting decision to move a cover guy like Redwine to boundary safety. There's no right answer on what body types and skill sets you're supposed to play at safety as long as your base coverages and assignments play to their strengths. Some teams like to put their bigger bodied player there and play him like an extra linebacker while primarily asking him to play underneath coverages or narrow deep quarter or half zones. Diaz and Banda have obviously put thought into this and I think it's a good fit.

Good stuff right there


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[scrantoncane]

Like D Money mentioned in his OP, Demetrius Jackson is low-key elite at disrupting QB passing lanes and batting down balls. He may not always get to the QB, but he ends up being a major disruption on passing downs as a result.

I remember him doing it a lot in his HS highlight tape, and he's definitely carried it over to the next level.

The play that sticks out for me is 4th down early in last year's FSU game, Dalvin Cook is wide open in the flats for what would likely be a TD, but D Jax gets in the passing lane and swats away what would otherwise be an easy completion for Francois (at the 2:30 mark in the video below)

[video=youtube_share;8oyGsRfFb84]https://youtu.be/8oyGsRfFb84?t=148[/video]

Man the defense played their *** off in that game, we really blew a great opportunity to finally beat those ******** again

I just watched that whole clip. What a heartbreaking loss.

Our DL absolutely owned the point of attack. They couldn't block us. What impressed the most was it was a different name being called every time. Patchan, Bethel, DJ...at one point, Al Michaels said "that's two backups combining for the sack." (I think it was Willis and Joe Jackson). Big time motors on all our DL.

And Corn at 9:15! [emoji102]




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[scrantoncane]

If you have good DTs, you win ball games. Extremely excited to watch that group this season.

Wonderful news on M. Young. I was in the camp that thought we were thin at CB, and I didn't love what I saw from Young last year. While I still think we are thin, Young locking down one of the CB spots is great news.

And for all the hype we give him, I still feel that Shaq is UNDERrated. What a luxury to have a MLB with that kind of head on his shoulders. A true captain of the defense. Love that kid.


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You and I debated this a bit last season and, until it shows up on gameday, it's actually still unsettled. I don't remember the reasons you gave for not liking what you saw, but always respect your opinion. What was it about his game you didn't like?

He just doesn't pass the eyeball test. Underdeveloped, skinny. I remember him being dragged a few times.

Someone else mentioned he had a nose for the ball, but I didn't see that. He didn't jump off the screen as a playmaker, which is why I am so happy to hear he played like one this spring.

I probably took that 4 games losing streak out on Young and Redwine a little too much. We couldn't stop anyone though. That is when I soured on both of them.


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[252cane]

I think the DE position is deeper than the DT position, but it's nitpicking.

Probably right in terms of pure numbers. If Patchan and DJ can contribute, that's seven guys.

What I like about DT is the quality of the top four. Those are four starters.

I think you find a lot of the same at DE, if not better than the scenario at DT. The top 4 DTs are not perfectly complementary. You have only one true 1Tech in the group. Moten will play there and be fine, but he's not optimal and there's a dropoff between what Norton provides as a 1Tech and what Moten can give us in that role. Mcintosh can probably give us some there as well. Is it absolutely vital in our scheme? Well, not as much as other schemes. It's still nice to have someone who can command, sustain and even beat a C/G double team against the run. Willis is a 3Tech. Behind them, you have Pat Bethel as someone growing into a 3Tech.

On the other hand, at DE you have a bunch of interchangeable parts. Is there zero dropoff between the Chad Thomas/Joe Jackson tandem and the rest? Probably not. However, if one or both go down, I have virtually no concerns about Trent Harris making plays. He's proven he will. I have no concerns about Demetrius Jackson playing on either side of the line. I have no concerns about a true Frosh like Garvin offering an edge rush. DJ Johnson is not even on campus and some argue he'll be better than Garvin, though on the other side of the line. You toss in Scott Patchan potentially being healthy and you have an entire ****nal of skill sets to mix and match. It's an unbelievable depth chart.

I give the DEs the nod and not because of numbers. I think they're arguably the deepest group in the country.

DE is based off numbers right now. Djack hasnt really did much, patchan hasnt ever really played, garvin is a true freshmen and the same for dj.

According to you, Demetrius Jackson hasn't done much. However, he started 6 games for us last year, adeptly played both sides of the line when we needed it most, had 6.5 TFLs, 2.5 sacks and 4 PBUs. The other backup, Trent Harris, has 18 career starts, had 9.5 TFLs last year, 3 sacks, a FF and 2 PBUs.
Behind them, we have Garvin, DJ Johnson and the oft-injured Patchan.

At DT, Anthony Moten had 6 total tackles, .5 TFLs (3 TFLs and 23 total tackles in his entire career despite getting 4 starts while in Golden's system).
The other backup DT, Gerald Willis, gave us 19 total tackles, 5.5 TFLs, 1.5 sacks, and 2 PBUs.
Behind them, we have Bethel, Martin and Fines.

What about that tells you DE has more depth because of mere quantity?

I didnt say anything about harris. Jackson hasnt really did anything. 3 of those tfls came vs famu and both of his sacks came vs famu. He started six games and played in 11. so where was he at in those games? The last 5 games he had 1 tackle.

 

[Canesfan1899]

Like D Money mentioned in his OP, Demetrius Jackson is low-key elite at disrupting QB passing lanes and batting down balls. He may not always get to the QB, but he ends up being a major disruption on passing downs as a result.

I remember him doing it a lot in his HS highlight tape, and he's definitely carried it over to the next level.

The play that sticks out for me is 4th down early in last year's FSU game, Dalvin Cook is wide open in the flats for what would likely be a TD, but D Jax gets in the passing lane and swats away what would otherwise be an easy completion for Francois (at the 2:30 mark in the video below)

[video=youtube_share;8oyGsRfFb84]https://youtu.be/8oyGsRfFb84?t=148[/video]

Man the defense played their *** off in that game, we really blew a great opportunity to finally beat those ******** again

I just watched that whole clip. What a heartbreaking loss.

Our DL absolutely owned the point of attack. They couldn't block us. What impressed the most was it was a different name being called every time. Patchan, Bethel, DJ...at one point, Al Michaels said "that's two backups combining for the sack." (I think it was Willis and Joe Jackson). Big time motors on all our DL.

And Corn at 9:15! [emoji102]




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More higlights in that clip than in the entire Golden era.

 

[bdm13]

I think the DE position is deeper than the DT position, but it's nitpicking.

Probably right in terms of pure numbers. If Patchan and DJ can contribute, that's seven guys.

What I like about DT is the quality of the top four. Those are four starters.

I think you find a lot of the same at DE, if not better than the scenario at DT. The top 4 DTs are not perfectly complementary. You have only one true 1Tech in the group. Moten will play there and be fine, but he's not optimal and there's a dropoff between what Norton provides as a 1Tech and what Moten can give us in that role. Mcintosh can probably give us some there as well. Is it absolutely vital in our scheme? Well, not as much as other schemes. It's still nice to have someone who can command, sustain and even beat a C/G double team against the run. Willis is a 3Tech. Behind them, you have Pat Bethel as someone growing into a 3Tech.

On the other hand, at DE you have a bunch of interchangeable parts. Is there zero dropoff between the Chad Thomas/Joe Jackson tandem and the rest? Probably not. However, if one or both go down, I have virtually no concerns about Trent Harris making plays. He's proven he will. I have no concerns about Demetrius Jackson playing on either side of the line. I have no concerns about a true Frosh like Garvin offering an edge rush. DJ Johnson is not even on campus and some argue he'll be better than Garvin, though on the other side of the line. You toss in Scott Patchan potentially being healthy and you have an entire ****nal of skill sets to mix and match. It's an unbelievable depth chart.

I give the DEs the nod and not because of numbers. I think they're arguably the deepest group in the country.

DE is based off numbers right now. Djack hasnt really did much, patchan hasnt ever really played, garvin is a true freshmen and the same for dj.

According to you, Demetrius Jackson hasn't done much. However, he started 6 games for us last year, adeptly played both sides of the line when we needed it most, had 6.5 TFLs, 2.5 sacks and 4 PBUs. The other backup, Trent Harris, has 18 career starts, had 9.5 TFLs last year, 3 sacks, a FF and 2 PBUs.
Behind them, we have Garvin, DJ Johnson and the oft-injured Patchan.

At DT, Anthony Moten had 6 total tackles, .5 TFLs (3 TFLs and 23 total tackles in his entire career despite getting 4 starts while in Golden's system).
The other backup DT, Gerald Willis, gave us 19 total tackles, 5.5 TFLs, 1.5 sacks, and 2 PBUs.
Behind them, we have Bethel, Martin and Fines.

What about that tells you DE has more depth because of mere quantity?

Yeah, I agree. I really liked the production I saw out of DJack last year. Plus you have to love his anchor and knack for stopping the run. I think we'll be seeing more of him this coming season, as we have enough talent to rotate all four spots along the D line with a 1a and 1b lineup. This year could be really fun!

 

[252cane]

Probably right in terms of pure numbers. If Patchan and DJ can contribute, that's seven guys.

What I like about DT is the quality of the top four. Those are four starters.

I think you find a lot of the same at DE, if not better than the scenario at DT. The top 4 DTs are not perfectly complementary. You have only one true 1Tech in the group. Moten will play there and be fine, but he's not optimal and there's a dropoff between what Norton provides as a 1Tech and what Moten can give us in that role. Mcintosh can probably give us some there as well. Is it absolutely vital in our scheme? Well, not as much as other schemes. It's still nice to have someone who can command, sustain and even beat a C/G double team against the run. Willis is a 3Tech. Behind them, you have Pat Bethel as someone growing into a 3Tech.

On the other hand, at DE you have a bunch of interchangeable parts. Is there zero dropoff between the Chad Thomas/Joe Jackson tandem and the rest? Probably not. However, if one or both go down, I have virtually no concerns about Trent Harris making plays. He's proven he will. I have no concerns about Demetrius Jackson playing on either side of the line. I have no concerns about a true Frosh like Garvin offering an edge rush. DJ Johnson is not even on campus and some argue he'll be better than Garvin, though on the other side of the line. You toss in Scott Patchan potentially being healthy and you have an entire ****nal of skill sets to mix and match. It's an unbelievable depth chart.

I give the DEs the nod and not because of numbers. I think they're arguably the deepest group in the country.

DE is based off numbers right now. Djack hasnt really did much, patchan hasnt ever really played, garvin is a true freshmen and the same for dj.

According to you, Demetrius Jackson hasn't done much. However, he started 6 games for us last year, adeptly played both sides of the line when we needed it most, had 6.5 TFLs, 2.5 sacks and 4 PBUs. The other backup, Trent Harris, has 18 career starts, had 9.5 TFLs last year, 3 sacks, a FF and 2 PBUs.
Behind them, we have Garvin, DJ Johnson and the oft-injured Patchan.

At DT, Anthony Moten had 6 total tackles, .5 TFLs (3 TFLs and 23 total tackles in his entire career despite getting 4 starts while in Golden's system).
The other backup DT, Gerald Willis, gave us 19 total tackles, 5.5 TFLs, 1.5 sacks, and 2 PBUs.
Behind them, we have Bethel, Martin and Fines.

What about that tells you DE has more depth because of mere quantity?

Yeah, I agree. I really liked the production I saw out of DJack last year. Plus you have to love his anchor and knack for stopping the run. I think we'll be seeing more of him this coming season, as we have enough talent to rotate all four spots along the D line with a 1a and 1b lineup. This year could be really fun!

All his stats came basically vs famu.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

Love the writeup. Disagree entirely that this LB corps is already better than the 2002 group, but they could be on their way.

Yeah, "most talented" would be more accurate.

As for 2003, Vilma and DJ can obviously play with anybody but Darrell McClover (while solid) was a level down. These guys are three studs, which reminds me of the Bermuda Triangle.

Still want to wait to see how these guys play as sophomores and juniors before saying that. I was thinking of the 2002 team at the end of the season we had DJ, Vilma and Rocky McIntosh starting. If you think they're already more talented than that group then we should be in for a ride this season.

 

[brock]

I think you find a lot of the same at DE, if not better than the scenario at DT. The top 4 DTs are not perfectly complementary. You have only one true 1Tech in the group. Moten will play there and be fine, but he's not optimal and there's a dropoff between what Norton provides as a 1Tech and what Moten can give us in that role. Mcintosh can probably give us some there as well. Is it absolutely vital in our scheme? Well, not as much as other schemes. It's still nice to have someone who can command, sustain and even beat a C/G double team against the run. Willis is a 3Tech. Behind them, you have Pat Bethel as someone growing into a 3Tech.

On the other hand, at DE you have a bunch of interchangeable parts. Is there zero dropoff between the Chad Thomas/Joe Jackson tandem and the rest? Probably not. However, if one or both go down, I have virtually no concerns about Trent Harris making plays. He's proven he will. I have no concerns about Demetrius Jackson playing on either side of the line. I have no concerns about a true Frosh like Garvin offering an edge rush. DJ Johnson is not even on campus and some argue he'll be better than Garvin, though on the other side of the line. You toss in Scott Patchan potentially being healthy and you have an entire ****nal of skill sets to mix and match. It's an unbelievable depth chart.

I give the DEs the nod and not because of numbers. I think they're arguably the deepest group in the country.

DE is based off numbers right now. Djack hasnt really did much, patchan hasnt ever really played, garvin is a true freshmen and the same for dj.

According to you, Demetrius Jackson hasn't done much. However, he started 6 games for us last year, adeptly played both sides of the line when we needed it most, had 6.5 TFLs, 2.5 sacks and 4 PBUs. The other backup, Trent Harris, has 18 career starts, had 9.5 TFLs last year, 3 sacks, a FF and 2 PBUs.
Behind them, we have Garvin, DJ Johnson and the oft-injured Patchan.

At DT, Anthony Moten had 6 total tackles, .5 TFLs (3 TFLs and 23 total tackles in his entire career despite getting 4 starts while in Golden's system).
The other backup DT, Gerald Willis, gave us 19 total tackles, 5.5 TFLs, 1.5 sacks, and 2 PBUs.
Behind them, we have Bethel, Martin and Fines.

What about that tells you DE has more depth because of mere quantity?

Yeah, I agree. I really liked the production I saw out of DJack last year. Plus you have to love his anchor and knack for stopping the run. I think we'll be seeing more of him this coming season, as we have enough talent to rotate all four spots along the D line with a 1a and 1b lineup. This year could be really fun!

All his stats came basically vs famu.

Yeah mostly. When dj gets here he would be the 5th or 6th talented de imo
Jackson
Thomas
Dj
Garvin
Patchan* when healthy plays like a starter
Djack or Trent harris

 

[305to404CANE]

Like D Money mentioned in his OP, Demetrius Jackson is low-key elite at disrupting QB passing lanes and batting down balls. He may not always get to the QB, but he ends up being a major disruption on passing downs as a result.

I remember him doing it a lot in his HS highlight tape, and he's definitely carried it over to the next level.

The play that sticks out for me is 4th down early in last year's FSU game, Dalvin Cook is wide open in the flats for what would likely be a TD, but D Jax gets in the passing lane and swats away what would otherwise be an easy completion for Francois (at the 2:30 mark in the video below)

[video=youtube_share;8oyGsRfFb84]https://youtu.be/8oyGsRfFb84?t=148[/video]

F@ckin Kaaya Smh! He doesn't throw that pic in the endzone, we would have been up by three scores. With the way the defense was playing smh. Watching these highlights just brought back to the sunken place I was after that game. I was one of those peoples, where I wouldn't mind if Kaaya goes or stay, cause he dam sure didn't have that killer instinct to put teams away when it counted.

F#ckin Kaaya.

 

[jkaz1]

Deion Sanders and Duane Starks didn't pass the "eyeball test" either.

But they passed the "game of football" test quite well....

I think Young will be very successful here. We'll see....

If you have good DTs, you win ball games. Extremely excited to watch that group this season.

Wonderful news on M. Young. I was in the camp that thought we were thin at CB, and I didn't love what I saw from Young last year. While I still think we are thin, Young locking down one of the CB spots is great news.

And for all the hype we give him, I still feel that Shaq is UNDERrated. What a luxury to have a MLB with that kind of head on his shoulders. A true captain of the defense. Love that kid.


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You and I debated this a bit last season and, until it shows up on gameday, it's actually still unsettled. I don't remember the reasons you gave for not liking what you saw, but always respect your opinion. What was it about his game you didn't like?

He just doesn't pass the eyeball test. Underdeveloped, skinny. I remember him being dragged a few times.

Someone else mentioned he had a nose for the ball, but I didn't see that. He didn't jump off the screen as a playmaker, which is why I am so happy to hear he played like one this spring.

I probably took that 4 games losing streak out on Young and Redwine a little too much. We couldn't stop anyone though. That is when I soured on both of them.


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Here's my guess at the Defense:

SDE - Chad Thomas/ Demetrius Jackson/ D.J. Johnson/ Scott Patchan

DT - RJ McIntosh/ Gerald Willis/ Pat Bethel/ Jon Ford/Martin
DT - Kendrick Norton/ Anthony Moten/ Tyreic Martin/ Ryan Fines

WDE - Joe Jackson/ Jonathan Garvin/ Trent Harris/ Patchan

WLB - Michael Pinckney/ Darrion Owens/ De'andre Wilder/ Terry McCray

MLB - Shaquille Quarterman/ Mike Smith/ Bradley Jennings Jr

SLB - Zach McCloud/ Charles Perry/ Jamie Gordinier/ Waynmon Steed(RS)

(Once Steed comes back healthy, he can actually play both W/S LB spots, he's that good, but I think he's best at Will)

LCB - Malek Young (will play the Elder role in Diaz's Defense, with better Ball skills)
RCB - Dee Delaney
NCB - Trajan Bandy
CB4 - Jhavonte Dean (will backup Delaney)
CB5 - Michael Jackson (will backup Young)
CB6 - Ryan Mayes/ Tyler Murphy
CB7 - Terrance Henley (ST's only)

FS - Sheldrick Redwine/ Amari Carter/ Derrick Smith
SS - Jaquan Johnson/ Robert Knowles/ Romeo Finley

Trent Harris aka tool box will be second string and play a lot. He is always in the right position and plays the run really really well.

 

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Like D Money mentioned in his OP, Demetrius Jackson is low-key elite at disrupting QB passing lanes and batting down balls. He may not always get to the QB, but he ends up being a major disruption on passing downs as a result.

I remember him doing it a lot in his HS highlight tape, and he's definitely carried it over to the next level.

The play that sticks out for me is 4th down early in last year's FSU game, Dalvin Cook is wide open in the flats for what would likely be a TD, but D Jax gets in the passing lane and swats away what would otherwise be an easy completion for Francois (at the 2:30 mark in the video below)

[video=youtube_share;8oyGsRfFb84]https://youtu.be/8oyGsRfFb84?t=148[/video]

F@ckin Kaaya Smh! He doesn't throw that pic in the endzone, we would have been up by three scores. With the way the defense was playing smh. Watching these highlights just brought back to the sunken place I was after that game. I was one of those peoples, where I wouldn't mind if Kaaya goes or stay, cause he dam sure didn't have that killer instinct to put teams away when it counted.

F#ckin Kaaya.

He didn't lose us the game...how about that blown coverage where Cook caught the ball out of the backfield and scored untouched pretty much. That gave them all the momentum at that point.

 

[tsimonitis]

War Daddies is my favorite description of DTs

 

[305to404CANE]

Like D Money mentioned in his OP, Demetrius Jackson is low-key elite at disrupting QB passing lanes and batting down balls. He may not always get to the QB, but he ends up being a major disruption on passing downs as a result.

I remember him doing it a lot in his HS highlight tape, and he's definitely carried it over to the next level.

The play that sticks out for me is 4th down early in last year's FSU game, Dalvin Cook is wide open in the flats for what would likely be a TD, but D Jax gets in the passing lane and swats away what would otherwise be an easy completion for Francois (at the 2:30 mark in the video below)

[video=youtube_share;8oyGsRfFb84]https://youtu.be/8oyGsRfFb84?t=148[/video]

F@ckin Kaaya Smh! He doesn't throw that pic in the endzone, we would have been up by three scores. With the way the defense was playing smh. Watching these highlights just brought back to the sunken place I was after that game. I was one of those peoples, where I wouldn't mind if Kaaya goes or stay, cause he dam sure didn't have that killer instinct to put teams away when it counted.

F#ckin Kaaya.

He didn't lose us the game...how about that blown coverage where Cook caught the ball out of the backfield and scored untouched pretty much. That gave them all the momentum at that point.

Man, we go up by 3 scores, the whole make up of the game changes. The scored the very next series to put things in perspective! I knew that pic hurt then, and never watched the highlights of the defense until just now, and yea that pic super suck. We go up 20-3, and we lost the game 20-19. The pic was on the 18 yard line, on 2nd and 15, smh

Kaaya was 19-32, 214 with a 50 QBR,So f#ck yea he lost that dam game for us! The defense was playing lights out. One of the best defense performances I've seen from the Canes in a long dam time.

 

[TallyCane]

need the secondary to stay healthy.

 

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Like D Money mentioned in his OP, Demetrius Jackson is low-key elite at disrupting QB passing lanes and batting down balls. He may not always get to the QB, but he ends up being a major disruption on passing downs as a result.

I remember him doing it a lot in his HS highlight tape, and he's definitely carried it over to the next level.

The play that sticks out for me is 4th down early in last year's FSU game, Dalvin Cook is wide open in the flats for what would likely be a TD, but D Jax gets in the passing lane and swats away what would otherwise be an easy completion for Francois (at the 2:30 mark in the video below)

[video=youtube_share;8oyGsRfFb84]https://youtu.be/8oyGsRfFb84?t=148[/video]

F@ckin Kaaya Smh! He doesn't throw that pic in the endzone, we would have been up by three scores. With the way the defense was playing smh. Watching these highlights just brought back to the sunken place I was after that game. I was one of those peoples, where I wouldn't mind if Kaaya goes or stay, cause he dam sure didn't have that killer instinct to put teams away when it counted.

F#ckin Kaaya.

He didn't lose us the game...how about that blown coverage where Cook caught the ball out of the backfield and scored untouched pretty much. That gave them all the momentum at that point.

Man, we go up by 3 scores, the whole make up of the game changes. The scored the very next series to put things in perspective! I knew that pic hurt then, and never watched the highlights of the defense until just now, and yea that pic super suck. We go up 20-0, and we lost the game 20-19. The pic was on the 18 yard line, on 2nd and 15, smh

Kaaya was 19-32, 214 with a 50 QBR,So f#ck yea he lost that dam game for us! The defense was playing lights out. One of the best defense performances I've seen from the Canes in a long dam time.

So who threw those TD passes to even give us a lead? Who says we even score if he doesn't throw that pick. What if we missed a FG? You can't play that game

 

[D_G87]

Any thought of moving Trent to LB with the depth at DE or has that ship sailed?

 

[gcane44]

Any thought of moving Trent to LB with the depth at DE or has that ship sailed?

He's better suited for DE