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DemCanes10 said:
Love all Coach fans overreaction to our LBs and haven't seen one stitch of our LBs in Hetherman's system in full contact and the LBs he actually coaches.

I see patience isn't a strength to some of our fans....I mean like 15 practice patience
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Patience? You mean like patience from last year when everyone was even more concerned with the back 7?

We saw our LBs last year. None of them looked good enough to trust that they’d be the guy in a simplified scheme.

You’d be a buffoon not to try to upgrade everywhere possible. Especially at one of the biggest question marks on the team.
 

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AlexCane said:
@DMoney last year’s roster to me was a 7 win team that was bolstered by superlative QB play. Is this a more well-rounded roster, even with some holes at a few units?
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We have like 40 guys participating in pro day today. That’s not a 7 win roster. We had a negative seven win secondary, minus OJ, who was a true freshman. The rest of the roster was very good, overall.
 
DMoney said:
He's not as fast. Stronger blocker.

I was talking with Ahmonn Richards on Saturday, and I liked his comp-- Deejay Dallas on steroids. Bigger and a better receiver, but they have similar running styles.
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I'll take that all day. Deejay was here in such a weird time in the programs history but he came to play in every single game.
 
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252cane said:
Why? He said last season lofton was the best rb on the team
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To be fair, Martinez wasn’t on the team yet, and both Fletcher and Ajay Allen were recovering from injury. I don’t think Lyle had matriculated, either. So it was Lofton vs CJ and CWH.

Lofton being better than a healthy Fletcher and Lyle is definitely and eyebrow raiser. I doubt both those guys got worse, which suggests Lofton has taken it to the next level. GTAA legendary stuff. We’ll see.
 
cway313 said:
Anything reported from practice or the staff
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Last year this time, you were hearing that:

- Cam Ward was dominating
- Restrepo was poised for a monster year
- Horton was about to make a leap
- Arroyo looked fully healthy and like a future high pick
- Markel Bell would play early
- The secondary was the biggest weakness on the team by far

The team mostly played like it practiced. The biggest disappointments were the DL falling off, Guidry’s defense failing to communicate, and Kiko Mauigoa taking a step back. I didn’t expect that. But it wasn’t because of practice. It was because those areas looked good in games in 2023.

There will always be things you find out in games. Jaden Harris wasn’t freezing up on Greentree, for example. But last year’s spring gave you a pretty clear outline of the team. The people denying that are just emotional and dealing with their own disappointment by making bad jokes.
 
kyle_schick said:
Its a tough pill to swallow but the staff has recruited overrated, low-IQ defenders. Their entire highschool film is just blitzing upfield past little kids.

Staff just brought in like 6 DBs from the portal bc the 12 on the roster can't play at an FCS level.
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I don’t think it’s as dire as DB, which was naturally bad and made much worse by player mental errors that the staff somehow magnified. But I do agree with you entirely that you can’t lose a season hoping for the best out of the current LBs. If one or two step up awesome. But bring in someone proven and make that whole room deeper with more competition.
 
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DMoney said:
Last year this time, you were hearing that:

- Cam Ward was dominating
- Restrepo was poised for a monster year
- Horton was about to make a leap
- Arroyo looked fully healthy and like a future high pick
- Markel Bell would play early
- The secondary was the biggest weakness on the team by far

The team mostly played like it practiced. The biggest disappointments were the DL falling off, Guidry’s defense failing to communicate and Kiko Mauigoa taking step back. I didn’t expect that. But it wasn’t because of practice. It was because those areas looked good in games in 2023.

There will always be things you find out in games. Jaden Harris wasn’t freezing up on Greentree, for example. But last year’s spring gave you a pretty clear outline of the team. The people denying that are just emotional and dealing with their own disappointment by making bad jokes.
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The last 2 years the team has looked exactly like I expected. These practice reports are meant to generate hope. I'm not knocking anything you provide to the fanbase. This is definitely a curtailed version of those reports, but overall I don't expect any negativity to come from those that have a firsthand view. The hyperboles are unnecessary and create unfair expectations. If Lofton isn't All-ACC it will create more fodder.

The real points of contention are the lack of development amongst HS prospects. The failure to simultaneously recruit QB through the portal and HS. The continuous nature to settle at positions like RB. We aren't going to hear about the actual problems that will hold us back from contention through these reports from you or anyone else with access.
 
Coach Macho said:
Because LB is hard enough FOR KIDS WHO ACTUALLY PLAY LINEBACKER.

Linebacker is the least likely position where you can just throw someone in.

Way too many intangibles involved.
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Year 4 and the LB room has more questions than answers. For all the snaps Wes has played being labeled "solid" at this stage is underwhelming
 
DMoney said:
Last year this time, you were hearing that:

- Cam Ward was dominating
- Restrepo was poised for a monster year
- Horton was about to make a leap
- Arroyo looked fully healthy and like a future high pick
- Markel Bell would play early
- The secondary was the biggest weakness on the team by far

The team mostly played like it practiced. The biggest disappointments were the DL falling off, Guidry’s defense failing to communicate and Kiko Mauigoa taking step back. I didn’t expect that. But it wasn’t because of practice. It was because those areas looked good in games in 2023.

There will always be things you find out in games. Jaden Harris wasn’t freezing up on Greentree, for example. But last year’s spring gave you a pretty clear outline of the team. The people denying that are just emotional and dealing with their own disappointment by making bad jokes.
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And in 2022 all we heard was the receivers were god awful, couldn't separate, and couldn't catch a cold. And we saw what happened.

Spring and overall practices don't tell the whole story, obviously. But they do tell you something. People have eyes and ears, they know what things should look like and what they shouldn't. Nobody is going to watch a spring practice and have a definitive outlook on a season 6 months from now, but there are certainly breadcrumbs, whether good or bad.
 
cway313 said:
The last 2 years the team has looked exactly like I expected. These practice reports are meant to generate hope. I'm not knocking anything you provide to the fanbase. This is definitely a curtailed version of those reports, but overall I don't expect any negativity to come from those that have a firsthand view. The hyperboles are unnecessary and create unfair expectations. If Lofton isn't All-ACC it will create more fodder.

The real points of contention are the lack of development amongst HS prospects. The failure to simultaneously recruit QB through the portal and HS. The continuous nature to settle at positions like RB. We aren't going to hear about the actual problems that will hold us back from contention through these reports from you or anyone else with access.
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These reports are meant to give you info- direct from me unless I specify it’s from a source- within the parameters of what I can report without hurting the team or unnecessarily bashing kids.

The LB and QB tidbits aren’t there to pump sunshine. I’m giving you the general state of the team while trying to not to overreact to the daily ups and downs of limited contact practice.
 
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DMoney said:
These reports are meant to give you info- direct from me unless I specify it’s from a source- within the parameters of what I can report without hurting the team or unnecessarily bashing kids.

The LB and QB tidbits aren’t there to pump sunshine. I’m giving you the general state of the team while trying to not to overreact to the daily ups and downs of limited contact practice.
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I didn't say you were lying. I wouldn't be here everyday if I didn't think you provided insight. I also have the ability to see where their are omissions. I have played and seen enough football to draw my own conclusions from what is posted.
 
Memnon said:
Then there's something seriously wrong with our LB evaluation process.

LB's like Sammy Brown, Drayk Bowen, Anthony Hill Jr, Harold Perkins, Suntarine Perkins, Red Murdock, Isaac Smith, Whit Weeks, Jaden Yates, Keaton Thomas, Kyle Louis, Austin Romaine, Josiah Trotter, were are all 1st or 2nd year LB's who stepped in & played well right away.

We have a LB room that's 9 deep that only occupies 2 spots given that we don't play a traditional 4-3 or a 3-4 & we're still in need of a Portal LB??

All while playing in a more simplified Defense...

The math ain't adding up somewhere.
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JamesQuall said:
Patience? You mean like patience from last year when everyone was even more concerned with the back 7?

We saw our LBs last year. None of them looked good enough to trust that they’d be the guy in a simplified scheme.

You’d be a buffoon not to try to upgrade everywhere possible. Especially at one of the biggest question marks on the team.
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And it still doesn’t refute what I’m saying.

You have no evidence on what “OUR NEW DC WHO HAPPENS TO BE OUR LB COACH” can do with just 5-6 practices without pads.
 
DemCanes10 said:
And it still doesn’t refute what I’m saying.

You have no evidence on what “OUR NEW DC WHO HAPPENS TO BE OUR LB COACH” can do with just 5-6 practices without pads.
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You can polish turds as much as you want but they’re still turds. Shiny and polished but I still won’t eat it.
 
We gotta stop hiring FSU people to come coach here

Nicholson turned out to be terrible. We recruited basically every top LB in the country for two years and didn’t land any of them. Thankfully Wiley blew up and we managed to get him because that kid could save the room

The LB play torpedoed under him

No more FSU people please
 
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