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Kamelion4291 said:
And yet averaged less ADOT than Tua last year who everybody says is a dinker.

See, this is how averages work. You don't get to cherry pick only his 20+ yards throws, especially when it's not a high frequency.
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Ha. According to you, you don't get to "cherry pick" stats, but you just used a stat without adding the context of Herbert's throws to Ekeler (and the other RBs) and Keenan Allen.

So, let's be absolutely clear here:

1. This all starts with the basic argument that Herbert played within a more conservative (that means relative) run-oriented approach at Oregon and, most importantly, many of us hope the offense is expanded for TVD. That's it. It could have been left right there.
2. A slew of posters, however, either outright deny that fact (and the many stats that back it up) or claim it's for a number of different reasons (lack of WRs, etc.). Weird. Not really sure why.
3. I've provided multiple angles supporting how Herbert was "unleashed" - relatively speaking - in his rookie year. There are countless articles, opinions, and stats to support that view.
4. You come in and attempt to undermine that Herbert was relatively unleashed as an air-it-out guy because his offense also threw short of the sticks (which we all can agree on).
5. I provide to you his downfield stats.
6. You claim that's cherry picking, even though we're specifically discussing the downfield aspect of his game being unleashed.

Here's yet another article ranking Herbert (Tua, of course, is nowhere to be found on the list) among the top 10 deep throwers in 2020 (the season we're discussing relative to his more conservative usage at Oregon) and with some solid metrics to support:

Herbert blew the doors off the league in Year One, winning the Offensive Rookie of the Year award and tying Baker Mayfield's rookie record for deep touchdown passes with 11. The first-round pick out of Oregon more than held his own when the pass rush was closing in on him, too. Herbert racked up 415 passing yards and five touchdowns on deep passes when under pressure, both most in the NFL. He didn't need the comfort of the Ducks' shotgun-only offense to do so, either, throwing five touchdowns on deep passes from under center (tied with Kirk Cousins for the league lead).

Despite being a rookie who was often under pressure, Herbert delivered with a CPOE of +9.1. There's occasionally a beautiful moment when a pro quarterback fires a rope through a crowded secondary for an unlikely completion. It's even more breathtaking when it comes from a rookie who was thrown into the fire unexpectedly in Week 2. Herbert is just getting started.

www.nfl.com

Next Gen Stats' top 10 deep passers of 2020: Aaron Rodgers lands at No. 4

Nick Shook ranks the top 10 deep passers of the 2020 season using Next Gen Stats. Reigning MVP Aaron Rodgers is included in the rankings, of course, but the top of the list is sure to surprise.
www.nfl.com www.nfl.com

Again, I really have no idea why people are arguing with the point that Herbert was used differently his rookie year than he was at Oregon. It's not a complicated point. And, we all support Mario in taking in that experience and opening it up for TVD.

Think we can let this one settle, no?
 
RightSaidFred said:
One of Nuñez family members posts on the Flo chat and gave everyone bad info

But Flo always said the only name he had heard from Miami was Rad, he was transparent about that, and that was because that was the buzz at the former player meeting in November…the one that was all hyped up and had Earl Little there and the dudes with the event app, whatever it’s called again
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Rad was always the plan A, I posted that after Blake was fired. What got people in trouble was the silence , then the leaks started.

That’s why I steered clear of it all until the Nunez bs. That’s when I staring digging , I posted a thread that said “they were pushing for a power five AD and the Nunez stuff was bs”.

“Apparently “ Flo mocked that info in a video ( from what I was told), taking shots at me that it wasn’t a power five guy and that was fake info. Then the next day it’s leaked publicly about Rad.

That’s how I got mixed into all of this. A lot of folks PM’d me that he was taking shots at me. I just let it be, I’m not getting involved in insider beef lol. It was never that serious.
 
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RightSaidFred said:
One of Nuñez family members posts on the Flo chat and gave everyone bad info

But Flo always said the only name he had heard from Miami was Rad, he was transparent about that, and that was because that was the buzz at the former player meeting in November…the one that was all hyped up and had Earl Little there and the dudes with the event app, whatever it’s called again
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People love to misquote Miami Flo. Someone in this thread is saying that Miami Flo said we have more than Moss and Coleman committing to us on 1/8.

He did not say that. He only stated that we were being considered by more players that will announce at that game. SMH
 
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Cribby said:
Rad was always the plan A, I posted that after Blake was fired. What got people in trouble was the silence , then the leaks started.

That’s why I steered clear of it all until the Nunez bs. That’s when I staring digging , I posted a thread that said said “they were pushing for a power five AD and the Nunez stuff was bs”.

“Apparently “ Flo mocked that info in a video ( from what I was told). Once again “
“Apparently” taking shots at me that it wasn’t a power five guy and that’s at was fake info. Then the next day it’s leaked publicly about Rad. That’s how I got mixed all into this. A lot of folks PM’d me that he was taking shots at me. I just let it be, I’m not getting involved in insider beef lol. It was never that serious.
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He later apologized and said the shots where not directed at you and that CanesInsight wasn’t the website he was referencing
 
MiamiChris said:
He later apologized and said the shots where not directed at you and that CanesInsight wasn’t the website he was referencing
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Yeah I got that.

I don’t know what to believe. The timing was real odd since I was the one crapping on the Nunez rumors and saying it was bad info. I also said it was a power five Ad not Nunez. So I get people thinking it was me , i was the only one saying that at the time. But like I said I just let it slide.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
But...again...he's NOT "out of the game for awhile". He is, right now, an analyst for Boston College. For two years.

I have no idea what you, or anyone else, thinks has "completely changed" in college football. Is everyone running a 2-QB system now? Are RBs allowed to wear roller skates? Chud is a very smart guy, he knows what is happening with RPO and other approaches.

And, quite frankly, I don't care about whether people are "upset". I only care about what Mario wants to do with his hires. Last time I checked, NYSOM wasn't setting up CIS polls to determine who Mario should hire.
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@nystateofmind and I can fix that if you’d like.
 
Genghis Cane said:
Someone else, preferably.

Haven’t liked what I’ve been reading about Feld on this board and in other places.

I don’t think Feeley is awful, but we definitely need a culture shift. In that regard, making a change in the strength and conditioning department is essential.
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I must’ve missed the negative stuff written about field. What are some of the issues? Oregon had a lot of injuries which the entire goal of strength coaches should be injury prevention
 
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OldhamA said:
Flo has been wrong too many times recently for me to trust his word anymore.

He's also one of those "I know who the coordinators are, but can't tell you teehee" commentators, so he's annoyed me.
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he has a VIP board that charges $8 a month now...apparently he posted the whole staff in the VIP board.
 
LuCane said:
Ha. According to you, you don't get to "cherry pick" stats, but you just used a stat without adding the context of Herbert's throws to Ekeler (and the other RBs) and Keenan Allen.

So, let's be absolutely clear here:

1. This all starts with the basic argument that Herbert played within a more conservative (that means relative) run-oriented approach at Oregon and, most importantly, many of us hope the offense is expanded for TVD. That's it. It could have been left right there.
2. A slew of posters, however, either outright deny that fact (and the many stats that back it up) or claim it's for a number of different reasons (lack of WRs, etc.). Weird. Not really sure why.
3. I've provided multiple angles supporting how Herbert was "unleashed" - relatively speaking - in his rookie year. There are countless articles, opinions, and stats to support that view.
4. You come in and attempt to undermine that Herbert was relatively unleashed as an air-it-out guy because his offense also threw short of the sticks (which we all can agree on).
5. I provide to you his downfield stats.
6. You claim that's cherry picking, even though we're specifically discussing the downfield aspect of his game being unleashed.

Here's yet another article ranking Herbert (Tua, of course, is nowhere to be found on the list) among the top 10 deep throwers in 2020 (the season we're discussing relative to his more conservative usage at Oregon) and with some solid metrics to support:

Herbert blew the doors off the league in Year One, winning the Offensive Rookie of the Year award and tying Baker Mayfield's rookie record for deep touchdown passes with 11. The first-round pick out of Oregon more than held his own when the pass rush was closing in on him, too. Herbert racked up 415 passing yards and five touchdowns on deep passes when under pressure, both most in the NFL. He didn't need the comfort of the Ducks' shotgun-only offense to do so, either, throwing five touchdowns on deep passes from under center (tied with Kirk Cousins for the league lead).

Despite being a rookie who was often under pressure, Herbert delivered with a CPOE of +9.1. There's occasionally a beautiful moment when a pro quarterback fires a rope through a crowded secondary for an unlikely completion. It's even more breathtaking when it comes from a rookie who was thrown into the fire unexpectedly in Week 2. Herbert is just getting started.

www.nfl.com

Next Gen Stats' top 10 deep passers of 2020: Aaron Rodgers lands at No. 4

Nick Shook ranks the top 10 deep passers of the 2020 season using Next Gen Stats. Reigning MVP Aaron Rodgers is included in the rankings, of course, but the top of the list is sure to surprise.
www.nfl.com www.nfl.com

Again, I really have no idea why people are arguing with the point that Herbert was used differently his rookie year than he was at Oregon. It's not a complicated point. And, we all support Mario in taking in that experience and opening it up for TVD.

Think we can let this one settle, no?
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www.latimes.com

Chargers offense is coming up short because of failure to throw long

Chargers made a huge impact last season throwing long, but defenses have sat back to eliminate big plays this season.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com

It's fine though. We'll let this one go. I'd argue Mario saved Herbert from himself in some cases and the same can be said about him in the NFL. People get caught up in the beautiful long throws in highlight reels with him, and brush everything else under the rug.

We'll just agree to disagree.
 
LuCane said:
The stats and data have been provided in prior posts. This is why I continue to return to this topic. It's odd for people to continue to deny this. To gain what?

A season ago, Herbert rode his rocket right arm into NFL lore, throwing for 4,336 yards and 31 touchdowns en route to being named the NFL’s Offensive Rookie of the Year. In addition to how well Herbert handled pressure in the pocket — according to charting data from Pro Football Focus Herbert posted the second-best Adjusted Completion Percentage (ACP) in the NFL when pressured last year — Herbert also excelled in the downfield passing game.

On throws of 20+ air yards last season, Herbert completed 26 of 67 such attempts for 953 yards and 12 touchdowns, against just three interceptions, according to charting data from PFF.

touchdownwire.usatoday.com

How Joe Lombardi and Justin Herbert have shaped the Chargers' passing game

Recently there was some angst about the Chargers’ passing game. The past few weeks from Justin Herbert might have eased those fears.
touchdownwire.usatoday.com touchdownwire.usatoday.com

The article above is just one of many supporting how Herbert's talents were catered to during his rookie season.
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A new board dynamic is unfolding: Mario deniers

Everyone, specifically @LuCane per his other post, is excited to get going with Mario.

Yet we’re still have this battle brewing so we can draw lines!

Amazing.

We all ride with Mario and our new money!

Let’s ******* go!
 
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Kamelion4291 said:
www.latimes.com

Chargers offense is coming up short because of failure to throw long

Chargers made a huge impact last season throwing long, but defenses have sat back to eliminate big plays this season.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com

It's fine though. We'll let this one go. I'd argue Mario saved Herbert from himself in some cases and the same can be said about him in the NFL. People get caught up in the beautiful long throws in highlight reels with him, and brush everything else under the rug.

We'll just agree to disagree.
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Bud, this is an article covering the year outside of what we're discussing (the difference between Oregon and the 2020 rookie year). In an earlier post, I've conceded they're struggling with the same during the 2021 season.

No problem, agree to disagree on Herbert. Hope we agree that Mario should push the ball with TVD, though.
 
Angry Ibis said:
A new board dynamic is unfolding: Mario deniers

Everyone, specifically @LuCane per his other post, is excited to get going with Mario.

Yet we’re still have this battle brewing so we can draw lines!

Amazing.

We all ride with Mario and our new money!

Let’s ******* go!
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It's really odd. But, I'm all for the strange need for some message board people to separate things into FOR vs AGAINST. Just so long as they click on all the Ads or pay the $25.
 
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LuCane said:
Bud, this is an article covering the year outside of what we're discussing (the difference between Oregon and the 2020 rookie year). In an earlier post, I've conceded they're struggling with the same during the 2021 season.

No problem, agree to disagree on Herbert. Hope we agree that Mario should push the ball with TVD, though.
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Absolutely and unless he's an idiot (I don't think he is), he is going to want to exploit the QB advantage we will have just about every Saturday. I mean, this is why most teams run so much in college because you can't trust the QB not to make the back-breaking mistake so even with the QB advantage, you're still going to want to have at minimum a 50-50 split. What's weird is that some people think that means it's 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense.
 
BeastMode said:
I must’ve missed the negative stuff written about field. What are some of the issues? Oregon had a lot of injuries which the entire goal of strength coaches should be injury prevention
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That’s the main thing. Others are critical of the conditioning of his team’s in the 4th quarter.

From an outsider’s perspective, he strikes me as a “rah rah” guy. I’m sure he will be a superb motivator, but we need more than that.
 
Cribby said:
Rad was always the plan A, I posted that after Blake was fired. What got people in trouble was the silence , then the leaks started.

That’s why I steered clear of it all until the Nunez bs. That’s when I staring digging , I posted a thread that said said “they were pushing for a power five AD and the Nunez stuff was bs”.

“Apparently “ Flo mocked that info in a video ( from what I was told), taking shots at me that it wasn’t a power five guy and that was fake info. Then the next day it’s leaked publicly about Rad.

That’s how I got mixed into all of this. A lot of folks PM’d me that he was taking shots at me. I just let it be, I’m not getting involved in insider beef lol. It was never that serious.
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For what it’s worth, IMO you’re the best of the best when it comes to info. You’ve never really been wrong, as I can remember. Flo is pretty good too, though. You’re gold and he’s silver.

I remember that podcast you’re referring to…lol he called you “crabby” acting like he didn’t know who you were. Weak **** but he backed down from that quickly so whatever.

He’s a good guy with some good info and he gives money to NIL deals for cane players so I try to support that
 
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