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Number1CanesFan said:
If that we're to happen it would be after the 2022 season. The new AD is not going to disrupt the program a few weeks from Spring Ball. That would be a disaster and who would he hire now. It's late in the 4th quarter a d there's very few coaches on the open market.

The thing thst kills me is thet people act like I don't like Candle. I do. I just don't think the move makes sense for him.
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The move doesn’t make sense to you, but it could make sense to him
 
JD08 said:
Would it though? This would give them perfect cover to name the DC as the HC on a one year trial and see if he's worth a longer contract. It would also give them time to find the perfect candidate and cover for an underwhelming season.

It makes more sense for Candle than a lot of other G5 coaches. In any case, we should know before long.
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Yep! Also easier to look for a job and take a job while you have a job if you feel you need to make a move or if you feel somebody might make a move on you in the near future. Keep the power or the decision in your court.
 
Zbrod95 said:
Mother of god…
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Costy21 said:
29* right now in Toledo and cloudy
62* right now in Coral Gables and sunny

Have the Soffer’s bring Mrs. Candle and the kids to Turnberry for the week lol this will be over by dinner
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Sh*t man. I walked outside this morning and it was 48* and bright sunny without any clouds. I thought to myself, those poor fools up North, took a sip of my coffee and continued on my stroll around the backyard.
 
Do you see future P5 Head Coaching gig in there? Note the zero bowl wins. (Source: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/toledo/index.html)
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This is what his record looks like visually with a two year trend line just for sh*ts and giggles. (Not e the shortened season drags the trend down unfairly. Flat to trending down likely more accurate. Was just looking at absolute values,)
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This is the Toledo Bowl Game Trophy Case under Candle:
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The world is probability and options. He could turn it around at Toledo and win the MAC and nab a P5 Head Coaching gig. But the lifecycle of Head Coaching gigs is fickle. He may think his opportunity (2017) isn't going to come around again soon.

So a bit of back of the napkin Bayesian thinking (and many variables aside), he is assessing probability of his getting a head coaching gig given his future returns as HC at Toledo vs the probability of HC opportunities as OC for Top 10 national program.

No idea what his future at Toledo looks like or his future success as OC at Notre Dame, Miami, other programs. But I imagine that is the conversation he is having with his agent and his family.
 
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Wow my head hurts catching up on this thread. Don’t people read before making irrational posts?? Several mentioned why it would make sense for Candle to make the move. An article was shared yesterday from the local paper about why he is on hot seat.

As mentioned before, Enos left MAC for P5 OC and Pete Lembo left MAC for P5 position coach. It’s not unheard of.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
I'm not going to respond anymore to all the irrational comments.

It's clear thst people are incapable of of thought and dialog without it being all about Miami. It isn't. Apply what I said to any other school.

If Candle was quiting his job to the OC at FSU, you'd say he's a fool.

He's going to be a P5 head coach if he wins in his league. The MAC is the farm for P5 coaches.

So, it would only make sense to leave if you don't believe you can win or you have issues with the administration.
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You talk about everyone needing to take their Miami glasses off but it sounds like you might need to take the ole Number1CanesFan glasses off.

Unless the reports that he's considering it are false, including from at least one very well regarded poster on this board, then he's currently considering making exactly the move you think is such a bad idea for him to make.

It doesn't really matter that you personally wouldn't make that move and you don't think he should.

People on here aren't in some delusional Miami fan hysteria and making things up. They're just responding to what has been reported and confirmed by a reputable member of this board.
 
brock said:
If they aren’t recent follows it doesn’t matter at all
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I agree, not sure if there’s a way to check that. Also interesting that only Cristobal is following Schumann and only TVD is following Mason (TVD did get an offer from Vandy out of HS). But Belk has DVD, Cristobal, McClendon, and Kevin Smith all following him. Could be coincidence.
 
Gi0logy said:
He already won the MAC and was 2017 MAC coach of the year. Still at Toledo.

But you're right, ya never know until it's announced and yes it is definitely unconventional.

But as we've seen over the last 12 months...the college game has DRASTICALLY changed. With transfer portal, with NIL, with programs throwing stupid money for coordinators and position coaches, and elite HCs leaving stable programs to join another program (Riley to USC and BK to LSU). It could just be an ideal scenario for Candle knowing that all of these things have impacted the college landscape and he knows he'll never be apart of it while at Toledo.
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Number1CanesFan said:
If that we're to happen it would be after the 2022 season. The new AD is not going to disrupt the program a few weeks from Spring Ball. That would be a disaster and who would he hire now. It's late in the 4th quarter a d there's very few coaches on the open market.

The thing thst kills me is thet people act like I don't like Candle. I do. I just don't think the move makes sense for him.
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There's nothing wrong with thinking that move doesn't make sense for him. It's the leap from that to being 100% certain there is no rationality to the move or to anyone's thought process that can see how the move makes sense. You're trying to project your feeling of what is logical/possible to the whole board as if your feelings on it are the sole answer and authority on the subject.
 
ThomasM said:
I'm not looking for an epic pull because the guy is a HC. That feels too much like Manny pulling an assistant from Alabama's staff. You know, "Where's Dan?" and all.

This guy might be a great hire, but I refuse to get excited just because he's a HC with what appears to be a downward trajectory. All I want to know is will his O work at Miami? The whole, "Mario pulled in a current HC to be his OC" does nothing for me. Bring me the best offensive mind out there, regardless of their current position. Is this guy the best, or is he simply the one with the highest current position?

Like others have said, his new AD might be wanting to go a different direction. Why? Because the results have been slipping at Toledo.
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What do you mean by "downward trajectory"? His team's overall record on the field? Because it **** sure isn't about putting points on the board and racking up yards, which is what he's being asked to do here.

2021: 435.5 ypg; 33.8 ppg
2020: 494 ypg; 35.0 ppg
2019: 434 ypg; 27.25 ppg
2018: 443.8 ypg; 40.4 ppg
2017: 483.9 ypg; 36.4 ppg
2016: 517.8 ypg; 38.0 ppg
2015: 460.9 ypg; 35.0 ppg
2014: 490.5 ypg; 36.6 ppg
2013: 447.3 ypg; 33.0 ppg
2012: 445.2 ypg; 31.5 ppg

And this is with Toledo's personnel...if you're not excited by this type of potential, idk what else you want.
 
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ThomasM said:
I'm not looking for an epic pull because the guy is a HC. That feels too much like Manny pulling an assistant from Alabama's staff. You know, "Where's Dan?" and all.

This guy might be a great hire, but I refuse to get excited just because he's a HC with what appears to be a downward trajectory. All I want to know is will his O work at Miami? The whole, "Mario pulled in a current HC to be his OC" does nothing for me. Bring me the best offensive mind out there, regardless of their current position. Is this guy the best, or is he simply the one with the highest current position?

Like others have said, his new AD might be wanting to go a different direction. Why? Because the results have been slipping at Toledo.
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I like people that actually hunker down against a near consensus opinion on the board.

I also don’t usually put anything on the board that’s not covering both sides positive and negative of a coaching candidate. I don’t want receipts of me crowning someone like Enos and then it actually play out the way it did. I rarely do that

Jason Candle is one I would 100% stick my neck out and say he’s gonna produce a top 25 scoring offense in football next year if he’s our OC. 20-25 range is probably the floor.

For reference… if the DC is Doug Belk or Derek Mason (for example) - im not making that statement. Not confident enough
 
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For those who don't like it and think there are better offensive minds for 1.5-2 million dollars think of it this way. How many of those other candidates can you had the keys too and know he can run the entire offense like a HC? We are potentially hiring a HC for offense not just an OC. Plus the man has south Florida recruiting chops.
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
What do you mean by "downward trajectory"? His team's overall record on the field? Because it **** sure isn't about putting points on the board and racking up yards, which is what he's being asked to do here.

2021: 435.5 ypg; 33.8 ppg
2020: 494 ypg; 35.0 ppg
2019: 434 ypg; 27.25 ppg
2018: 443.8 ypg; 40.4 ppg
2017: 483.9 ypg; 36.4 ppg
2016: 517.8 ypg; 38.0 ppg

And this is with Toledo's personnel...if you're not excited by this type of potential, idk what else you want.
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People really don't realize at that level that's its cyclical. You recruit talent and develop it. Up years and down years. You don't load up like an SEC team and retool every year. Great point you just made. Man doing big things at his current level offensively. Boys took Notre Dame to the wire in SOUTH BEND!
 
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