Since 2009 vs UF and FSU tells the story

[Jaromir Jagr]

Gnome is 'a hitter'.......

Who 'would've thought'................ UM now ranked top-50, back in 1994 it was #250 . Makes sense. No chance he picks up stats at the ripe old age of 45...

Except that I have destroyed you in stats this entire time.

Funny how many things you ignore in these posts while claiming to be a stats guy.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Gnome just said that Dartmouth and Davidson BOTH performed better than UM since 2008, so that tells me the level of intelligence that we are enduring on this site.... Despite that......

Hold on. Where did anyone say that they performed better since 2008? I know you're a simpleton, but again, don't lie. It just makes you look worse.

$44,000 in UM tuition versus $10,000 in-state. Assume .468 in scholarship funding.

Assume 3-years on campus for a "blue chip" player. You are asking him to pay $54,264 EXTRA to play at UM over three years.

Assuming 4-years, you pay an extra $72,452.

If player is part of Bright Lights (or whatever it is called in Florida) the difference now becomes $176,000. Most southern schools have this Hope/Bright Lights program as well.

No one needs the tuition numbers recited to them....again. It just means that our staff has to work harder. Quit relying on local kids to live at home. Go get the stud pitcher out of Connecticut who has a 1380 SAT and whose dad is a doctor. Find the outfielder in Ohio who can rake and whose grandad has everything covered for college. It takes work. If we're going to throw our hands up and complain about the disadvantage, then quit paying our coaches what we're paying them. Just accept that we're going to be Wake Forest.

Any word on what our RPI was on selection day in 2002?

Any thoughts on any of this? Or do you simply accept defeat?

 

[CrescentCityCane]

It's an issue but not a program killer. Blake James, et al., need to get out and fundraise(which is his primary resp) like Vandy did and create a slush fund to get the kids in with $$ beyond the 11.7 alloted by ncaa. That would also mean that we could expand our recruiting base beyond 4-5 high schools located in SoFla which I know would be difficult for many in the fan base to accept.

 

[CrescentCityCane]

Stretching Scholarship Dollars Key To College Success | BaseballAmerica.com

 

[Notsince1985]

Gnome is 'a hitter'.......

Who 'would've thought'................ UM now ranked top-50, back in 1994 it was #250 . Makes sense. No chance he picks up stats at the ripe old age of 45...

Just a question. What does that even mean? (I'm not taking sides in this).

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

It's an issue but not a program killer. Blake James, et al., need to get out and fundraise(which is his primary resp) like Vandy did and create a slush fund to get the kids in with $$ beyond the 11.7 alloted by ncaa. That would also mean that we could expand our recruiting base beyond 4-5 high schools located in SoFla which I know would be difficult for many in the fan base to accept.

That would be illegal. You can fundraise to pay for those 11.7 scholarships (which the University does), but you can't raise more money above the 11.7 and only offer it to baseball players. Vanderbilt and Stanford have programs in which all students, not just the athletes, have access to grants.

 

[CrescentCityCane]

Meeting the financial need of all students that gain admission is one of Frenk's top priorities as that's one of the only levers left that UM still has available to continue to rise in the USNWR rankings so the beisbol program should benefit in the long run. It would be nice to get some of the type of kids that Vandy seems to pull in every year that are drafted well within the "danger zone" but still end up on campus as the financial aid package is attractive enough entice them in.

 

[tcgrad1014]

This whole conversation is meaningless, Morris returns next year and it IS his last year. So be it, he is Elite and not to be questioned, his accomplishments and wins speak for themselves. The U has been fortunate to have such an accomplished coach. Having a randomly bad season is baseball and bound to happen even to the best .

This isn't about Morris anymore. He's a lame duck. It's about DiMare. Specifically, his track record is unproven at best, and it will be extremely hard to fire him.

Exactly, what is DiMare capable of? How will the program change? These are the only questions that matter at this point. While I shed no tears for a coach getting the opportunity to take over one of the most storied programs in college baseball and make a nice living doing it, the pressure he's going to be under will be immense.

I'm not sure what pressure DiMare will be under, and that's part of my concern. This reeks of a Randy Shannon hire....made much worse by the importance of DiMare money to the athletic department. Naming him the coach in waiting was a blunder. If DiMare truly cares about the program, he will leave with Morris after next year and let the program reset (JD as well).

 

[Canedude08]

It's comical how much vitriol is coming out because some of us are merely suggesting that the program has gone stale over the last decade. I put out an article on my blog noting how I don't think promoting a career assistant after next season is a good move, especially when you have far better candidates out there, and people lost their ****. I've given Morris the benefit of the doubt many times, but when it is obvious that you aren't hitting the recruiting trail like you once did, and you can't beat in-state rivals to save your life it is time to wonder why.

 

[Canedude08]

Meeting the financial need of all students that gain admission is one of Frenk's top priorities as that's one of the only levers left that UM still has available to continue to rise in the USNWR rankings so the beisbol program should benefit in the long run. It would be nice to get some of the type of kids that Vandy seems to pull in every year that are drafted well within the "danger zone" but still end up on campus as the financial aid package is attractive enough entice them in.

Well, when you know that your entire financial need is covered, it's a lot easier to justify college, instead of knowing that you will be going into debt to play. You may be better off playing for pay, and then coming back for a degree later in that case. Or, if you want, going into an online program, while playing pro ball. If Miami can find some huge donors that can help make full financial need commitments possible, that will help the program.

 

[Canedude08]

This whole conversation is meaningless, Morris returns next year and it IS his last year. So be it, he is Elite and not to be questioned, his accomplishments and wins speak for themselves. The U has been fortunate to have such an accomplished coach. Having a randomly bad season is baseball and bound to happen even to the best .

This isn't about Morris anymore. He's a lame duck. It's about DiMare. Specifically, his track record is unproven at best, and it will be extremely hard to fire him.

Exactly, what is DiMare capable of? How will the program change? These are the only questions that matter at this point. While I shed no tears for a coach getting the opportunity to take over one of the most storied programs in college baseball and make a nice living doing it, the pressure he's going to be under will be immense.

I'm not sure what pressure DiMare will be under, and that's part of my concern. This reeks of a Randy Shannon hire....made much worse by the importance of DiMare money to the athletic department. Naming him the coach in waiting was a blunder. If DiMare truly cares about the program, he will leave with Morris after next year and let the program reset (JD as well).

If DiMare fails, which is a distinct possibility, he won't get fired, merely because no one will want to offend his family. That's a lousy position to be in, he will be that guy at a company who doesn't have to report to anyone, merely because his family owns it. The only difference is that the DiMare family doesn't own the Miami baseball program, and it is stupid to allow them to buy the HC position.

 

[mirednmediocrity2]

This whole conversation is meaningless, Morris returns next year and it IS his last year. So be it, he is Elite and not to be questioned, his accomplishments and wins speak for themselves. The U has been fortunate to have such an accomplished coach. Having a randomly bad season is baseball and bound to happen even to the best .

This isn't about Morris anymore. He's a lame duck. It's about DiMare. Specifically, his track record is unproven at best, and it will be extremely hard to fire him.

Exactly, what is DiMare capable of? How will the program change? These are the only questions that matter at this point. While I shed no tears for a coach getting the opportunity to take over one of the most storied programs in college baseball and make a nice living doing it, the pressure he's going to be under will be immense.

I'm not sure what pressure DiMare will be under, and that's part of my concern. This reeks of a Randy Shannon hire....made much worse by the importance of DiMare money to the athletic department. Naming him the coach in waiting was a blunder. If DiMare truly cares about the program, he will leave with Morris after next year and let the program reset (JD as well).

If DiMare fails, which is a distinct possibility, he won't get fired, merely because no one will want to offend his family. That's a lousy position to be in, he will be that guy at a company who doesn't have to report to anyone, merely because his family owns it. The only difference is that the DiMare family doesn't own the Miami baseball program, and it is stupid to allow them to buy the HC position.

Exactly why I think Miami baseball is in for a long dry spell.

 

[Tiny Dancer]

Miami baseball 1994-2004 vs. Miami baseball 2005-2017 (or 1994-2008 vs. 2009-2017). There's no comparison. What's happened the last 10-15 years is not and should not be acceptable for what Fraser built starting in the early 70s and Morris solidified in the 90s and early 00s. I'm not sure why anyone is defending him at this point. He had a great run. It's over. Move on. Simple.

I love when people who don't follow the program chime in.

When we were winning 50 games and going to Omaha in back-to-back seasons the same people were saying that Morris was washed up.

They don't have a standard. They just whine year after year and wait for a moment when they can claim to be right. But as we've all seen, if what you value is being "right" then you can always win. It's just a matter of time.

 

[Tiny Dancer]

Davidson has 2 more wins this year against a higher seeded post-season opponent than Miami (FL) has had in the last 9 years combined.

And?

You'd rather be Davidson now?

I love how tcgrad comes up with these posts. I'm sure he thinks he's hitting a home run when in reality he's just embarrassing himself by using fluke, one-off sample sizes.

Davidson was a bad team that got lucky one weekend.

But he never loses a chance to make a really bad argument using grade school logic.

 

[Tiny Dancer]

Miami (FL) is 0-9 in the last 9 years in the post-season against opponents with equal or higher seeding. If the claim is that this futility is "randomness," it's like flipping a coin and landing on tails 9 times in a row. Possible, sure, but extremely unlikely.

Dictionary definition of cherry-pickin.

And a complete whitewashing (or misunderstanding) of how the college baseball postseason is structured.

 

[Tiny Dancer]

Morris beats VCU and Boston College to get to Omaha = "Morris is a phenomenal, dominating coach"

Miami was a national seed and was going to be hosting and favored against anybody they played.

On the contrary, two of your "names" that made it to Omaha this year (FSU and Texas A&M) were not.

Those teams were lucky.

You don't seem to know the definition of lucky either.

 

[Tiny Dancer]

Completely ignoring roster management is random?

You seemingly thought the roster management was terrible in 2014, 2015 and 2016 too.

Seems like you just keep saying it until a season arises where you can claim to be "right" about it.

 

[Tiny Dancer]

It's about DiMare. Specifically, his track record is unproven at best

Gino DiMare has been the lead assistant and recruiting coordinator for 15 years (2000-2008, 2012-17).

We have 7 trips to Omaha, 4 Coastal Division Titles, 3 ACC Regular Season titles and an ACC Tournament title.

We also hit .300 or better as a team in 10 of those 15 seasons.

You're the worst, tcgrad. Just brutal at this.

 

[Tiny Dancer]

I don't ignore 2015 and 2016. Those years were part of the 0-9 against equal or higher seeded teams in the postseason.

So if they had won a national championship in one of those seasons but managed to avoid a #1 seed the entire time you'd still be whining about this?

That says a lot about you.

 

[Tiny Dancer]

Hold on. Where did anyone say that they performed better since 2008? I know you're a simpleton, but again, don't lie. It just makes you look worse.

He's assuming that you're smarting than you actually are.

Big mistake.

Bringing up Davidson in this thread proves how out of touch you are.