Shannon Bares Responsibility

[The Franchise]

Remember, this ****sucker was essentially a professional liar that bilked ridiculous sums of money from otherwise sophisticated investors. It does not seem far fetched that Shannon would have been completely oblivious to the player benefits, particularly given how small the amounts were for individual players.

I don't know why people keep throwing this out there. Shapiro bilking people out of money is one thing. He lied to them to get the cash. OK, I get that. But, how does that bear on the UM players benefits? Are people really suggesting that Shapiro fooled the players and coaches into accepting illegal benefits?

It's like a guy who steals TVs by talking people out of them. Then, he turns around and gives one of our players a "free" TV. How does the guy give you a TV without you knowing you're not supposed to accept it? There is no slickness involved in him giving you the TV, no matter how slick he was in stealing them.

I think what the poster was saying was that Shapiro was very good at being a weasel and covering up his malfeasance and that his skill at concealing his malfeasance might have kept his alleged NCAA violations out of Shannvo's sight.

Then someone should have introduced Shannon to his coaches and players. It's not believable that Shannon smelled a rat, but didn't ASK his coaches and players what their involvement with Shapiro was. Warning the coaches and players sounds fine. But, what did he base those warnings on? Was it just "a feeling"? If so, are we supposed to believe he never sat any of the coaches and players down and talked to them about any of this?

The funniest part (if there is a funny part) of this is that we are getting a plea of ignorance from people on behalf of Shannon, and most people accept it without question. That says volumes about how Shannon is perceived by most people.

How do you know he didn't sit his players and corches down and tell them to stay away from ****zero? He very well might have done that, but he can't be expected to follow the players out to clubs every night to monitor if that little maggot paid for some drinks.

 

[Ibis Wingz]

It's scary when Kelvin Quit is one of the most productive guys he recruited in his last couple classes. Shannvo was an absolute scourge on UM football, an don't let anyone tell you otherwise. He made Coker look like Vince Lombardi.

Cannot be repeated enough. Then you have idiots like Nights who insist that organizational skills, relationship skills, press skills don't matter - just X's and O's - as if the cart goes before the horse.

God I hope people have been awaken to what a disaster bad HC hires do to a program. Golden at his on the field worst (and I consider 2012 to be the worst team he will ever field at Miami), will leave the next coach a stronger, better conditioned team, organized recruiting relationships, a well spaced (classwise) talent pool and a program purged of mental cancer.

I have no idea who this Nights guy is, and based on what you just said, I don't want to know.

An unmitigated disaster like Shannvo can cripple a program for many years no matter how good the following corch is. This dude destroyed every possible element of UM's program from recruiting to strength and conditioning to overall culture. That **** goes way deeper than X's and O's. His stench of incompetence permeated every fiber of our program.

Truthfully, we should get credit for self-imposing for the act of hiring and retaining Shannvo. This guy did far more damage to the program than any sanctions meted out by the NCAA could ever do to the program.

At this point, the NCAA should give us some additional scholarships, as we have been under de facto probation for two years during this investigation and we self-imposed the worst form of probation for 4 years by hiring that incompetent bum Shannvo.

Agreed. Every day that goes by without the NOA is another day of probation and easy negative recruiting against us. Is there a limit on the amount of time an investigation can linger, or is it open ended purgatory?

As far as Shannvo is concerned, it cannot be overstated what an abomination that was. Some people said we couldn't afford to fire him. We said we couldn't afford to keep him.

 

[drifters1234]

Remember, this ****sucker was essentially a professional liar that bilked ridiculous sums of money from otherwise sophisticated investors. It does not seem far fetched that Shannon would have been completely oblivious to the player benefits, particularly given how small the amounts were for individual players.

I don't know why people keep throwing this out there. Shapiro bilking people out of money is one thing. He lied to them to get the cash. OK, I get that. But, how does that bear on the UM players benefits? Are people really suggesting that Shapiro fooled the players and coaches into accepting illegal benefits?

It's like a guy who steals TVs by talking people out of them. Then, he turns around and gives one of our players a "free" TV. How does the guy give you a TV without you knowing you're not supposed to accept it? There is no slickness involved in him giving you the TV, no matter how slick he was in stealing them.

Because the ability to lie effectively equates with the ability to withhold information from people. Therefore, it is not surprising at all that shapiro could have been around the program a lot and fooled that AD, the head coach, and others about the illegal benefits he was allegedly providing to certain players.

Are you suggesting that he informed Shannon that he was taking players to strip clubs and on his boat? That has not been reported anywhere, and I'm confident it did not happen.

 

[The Franchise]

Cannot be repeated enough. Then you have idiots like Nights who insist that organizational skills, relationship skills, press skills don't matter - just X's and O's - as if the cart goes before the horse.

God I hope people have been awaken to what a disaster bad HC hires do to a program. Golden at his on the field worst (and I consider 2012 to be the worst team he will ever field at Miami), will leave the next coach a stronger, better conditioned team, organized recruiting relationships, a well spaced (classwise) talent pool and a program purged of mental cancer.

I have no idea who this Nights guy is, and based on what you just said, I don't want to know.

An unmitigated disaster like Shannvo can cripple a program for many years no matter how good the following corch is. This dude destroyed every possible element of UM's program from recruiting to strength and conditioning to overall culture. That **** goes way deeper than X's and O's. His stench of incompetence permeated every fiber of our program.

Truthfully, we should get credit for self-imposing for the act of hiring and retaining Shannvo. This guy did far more damage to the program than any sanctions meted out by the NCAA could ever do to the program.

At this point, the NCAA should give us some additional scholarships, as we have been under de facto probation for two years during this investigation and we self-imposed the worst form of probation for 4 years by hiring that incompetent bum Shannvo.

Agreed. Every day that goes by without the NOA is another day of probation and easy negative recruiting against us. Is there a limit on the amount of time an investigation can linger, or is it open ended purgatory?

As far as Shannvo is concerned, it cannot be overstated what an abomination that was. Some people said we couldn't afford to fire him. We said we couldn't afford to keep him.

Bottom line: Anyone who continued to support that program destroyer for as long as many did was not a UM fan; instead, they were fans of their own warped agendas.

 

[Dingaan1828]

Remember, this ****sucker was essentially a professional liar that bilked ridiculous sums of money from otherwise sophisticated investors. It does not seem far fetched that Shannon would have been completely oblivious to the player benefits, particularly given how small the amounts were for individual players.

I don't know why people keep throwing this out there. Shapiro bilking people out of money is one thing. He lied to them to get the cash. OK, I get that. But, how does that bear on the UM players benefits? Are people really suggesting that Shapiro fooled the players and coaches into accepting illegal benefits?

It's like a guy who steals TVs by talking people out of them. Then, he turns around and gives one of our players a "free" TV. How does the guy give you a TV without you knowing you're not supposed to accept it? There is no slickness involved in him giving you the TV, no matter how slick he was in stealing them.

Because the ability to lie effectively necessarily equates with the ability to withhold information from people. Therefore, it is not surprising at all that shapiro could have been around the program a lot and fooled that AD, the head coach, and others about the illegal benefits he was allegedly providing to certain players.

Are you suggesting that he informed Shannon that he was taking players to strip clubs and on his boat? That has not been reported anywhere, and I'm confident it did not happen.

Not at all. You don't get that info from Shapiro. You get it from the players and coaches who are receiving those benefits. My point is that while Shapiro bilked investors, he didn't have to bilk anyone at UM. He was providing things to coaches and players.

 

[Dingaan1828]

Remember, this ****sucker was essentially a professional liar that bilked ridiculous sums of money from otherwise sophisticated investors. It does not seem far fetched that Shannon would have been completely oblivious to the player benefits, particularly given how small the amounts were for individual players.

I don't know why people keep throwing this out there. Shapiro bilking people out of money is one thing. He lied to them to get the cash. OK, I get that. But, how does that bear on the UM players benefits? Are people really suggesting that Shapiro fooled the players and coaches into accepting illegal benefits?

It's like a guy who steals TVs by talking people out of them. Then, he turns around and gives one of our players a "free" TV. How does the guy give you a TV without you knowing you're not supposed to accept it? There is no slickness involved in him giving you the TV, no matter how slick he was in stealing them.

I think what the poster was saying was that Shapiro was very good at being a weasel and covering up his malfeasance and that his skill at concealing his malfeasance might have kept his alleged NCAA violations out of Shannvo's sight.

Then someone should have introduced Shannon to his coaches and players. It's not believable that Shannon smelled a rat, but didn't ASK his coaches and players what their involvement with Shapiro was. Warning the coaches and players sounds fine. But, what did he base those warnings on? Was it just "a feeling"? If so, are we supposed to believe he never sat any of the coaches and players down and talked to them about any of this?

The funniest part (if there is a funny part) of this is that we are getting a plea of ignorance from people on behalf of Shannon, and most people accept it without question. That says volumes about how Shannon is perceived by most people.

How do you know he didn't sit his players and corches down and tell them to stay away from ****zero? He very well might have done that, but he can't be expected to follow the players out to clubs every night to monitor if that little maggot paid for some drinks.

I never said that. By all reports, he did warn the coaches and players to stay away from Shapiro. My questions relate to what he based those warnings on. If he had strong suspicions of something being wrong, you would warn them. But, I would expect him personally to talk to each and every coach and player to determine what sort of involvement each one of them had with Shapiro up until that time. That's in addition to warning them to stay away from him. It is inconceivable to me that if he had those discussions with the coaches and players, that they all effectively kept their interactions with Shapiro a secret from Shannon. Others may believe it. I'm just saying I don't.

 

[drifters1234]

Remember, this ****sucker was essentially a professional liar that bilked ridiculous sums of money from otherwise sophisticated investors. It does not seem far fetched that Shannon would have been completely oblivious to the player benefits, particularly given how small the amounts were for individual players.

I don't know why people keep throwing this out there. Shapiro bilking people out of money is one thing. He lied to them to get the cash. OK, I get that. But, how does that bear on the UM players benefits? Are people really suggesting that Shapiro fooled the players and coaches into accepting illegal benefits?

It's like a guy who steals TVs by talking people out of them. Then, he turns around and gives one of our players a "free" TV. How does the guy give you a TV without you knowing you're not supposed to accept it? There is no slickness involved in him giving you the TV, no matter how slick he was in stealing them.

Because the ability to lie effectively necessarily equates with the ability to withhold information from people. Therefore, it is not surprising at all that shapiro could have been around the program a lot and fooled that AD, the head coach, and others about the illegal benefits he was allegedly providing to certain players.

Are you suggesting that he informed Shannon that he was taking players to strip clubs and on his boat? That has not been reported anywhere, and I'm confident it did not happen.

Not at all. You don't get that info from Shapiro. You get it from the players and coaches who are receiving those benefits. My point is that while Shapiro bilked investors, he didn't have to bilk anyone at UM. He was providing things to coaches and players.

But there is no evidence or any reporting that Shannon was aware of the alleged improper benefits. you are assuming he knew something, just because he was the head coach. by that logic, every single player and assistant coach would also be implicated, whether they received benefits or not. i don't buy it. and that's too strong of an inference to make w/o corroboration.

again, the benefits were not new cars, expensive clothes, and apartments that would be highly visible to those who were not involved. they were isolated outings (at least for the football players) at a strip club, bowling alley, or on a boat. these are exactly the kinds of benefits that would be easily hidden.

 

[The Franchise]

I don't know why people keep throwing this out there. Shapiro bilking people out of money is one thing. He lied to them to get the cash. OK, I get that. But, how does that bear on the UM players benefits? Are people really suggesting that Shapiro fooled the players and coaches into accepting illegal benefits?

It's like a guy who steals TVs by talking people out of them. Then, he turns around and gives one of our players a "free" TV. How does the guy give you a TV without you knowing you're not supposed to accept it? There is no slickness involved in him giving you the TV, no matter how slick he was in stealing them.

I think what the poster was saying was that Shapiro was very good at being a weasel and covering up his malfeasance and that his skill at concealing his malfeasance might have kept his alleged NCAA violations out of Shannvo's sight.

Then someone should have introduced Shannon to his coaches and players. It's not believable that Shannon smelled a rat, but didn't ASK his coaches and players what their involvement with Shapiro was. Warning the coaches and players sounds fine. But, what did he base those warnings on? Was it just "a feeling"? If so, are we supposed to believe he never sat any of the coaches and players down and talked to them about any of this?

The funniest part (if there is a funny part) of this is that we are getting a plea of ignorance from people on behalf of Shannon, and most people accept it without question. That says volumes about how Shannon is perceived by most people.

How do you know he didn't sit his players and corches down and tell them to stay away from ****zero? He very well might have done that, but he can't be expected to follow the players out to clubs every night to monitor if that little maggot paid for some drinks.

I never said that. By all reports, he did warn the coaches and players to stay away from Shapiro. My questions relate to what he based those warnings on. If he had strong suspicions of something being wrong, you would warn them. But, I would expect him personally to talk to each and every coach and player to determine what sort of involvement each one of them had with Shapiro up until that time. That's in addition to warning them to stay away from him. It is inconceivable to me that if he had those discussions with the coaches and players, that they all effectively kept their interactions with Shapiro a secret from Shannon. Others may believe it. I'm just saying I don't.

I think we differ here in that you are assuming Shannvo based his mistrust and apprehension of ****zero off of witnessing actual improprieties whereas I think it's perfectly reasonable that he just had a bad feeling about the guy based on his own intuition and didn't trust his motives based on the way he handled himself. I can absolutely buy that Shannvo just didn't like or trust the guy based on his own intuition and not on any specific evidence o malfeasance.

 

[mirvin88]

Randy told everyone to stay away from the guy cause he had a bad feeling about him
University performed a background check on him

If the NCAA hammers us for LOIC I will go postal




















/we skate

 

[Dingaan1828]

But there is no evidence or any reporting that Shannon was aware of the alleged improper benefits. you are assuming he knew something, just because he was the head coach. by that logic, every single player and assistant coach would also be implicated, whether they received benefits or not. i don't buy it. and that's too strong of an inference to make w/o corroboration.

again, the benefits were not new cars, expensive clothes, and apartments that would be highly visible to those who were not involved. they were isolated outings (at least for the football players) at a strip club, bowling alley, or on a boat. these are exactly the kinds of benefits that would be easily hidden.

No. What I am assuming is that he suspected something. Hence, the warning to his coaches and players. I do think that a few pointed questions by Shannon would have revealed what was going on.

 

[nadiamufdi]

I think Shannon didn't like shacunto because he kept trying to get him fired

 

[The Franchise]

I think Shannon didn't like shacunto because he kept trying to get him fired

I think you're right about that.

 

[AshAmayasDad]

LOL whats up fellas

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

Um, not to defend Randy Shannon or strip away any culpability he may have had in all this, but didn't he actually tell everyone to stay away from that slimeball? Again, perhaps that's not enough, but it's not as if he advocated for the guy, either

You think if Jimmy Johnson told his assistants to stay away from someone they'd just go on dealing with the guy anyway? A limp wristed warning is not the same as actually asserting your authority over your subordinates.

^ This. I'm glad our fans our finally rejecting the "Shannon tried to run Shapiro away from the program" myth. Idle threats mean nothing to the NCAA when your recruiting coordinator is taking interest free loans from the rogue booster you supposedly warned everyone to stay away from.

 

[The Franchise]

Um, not to defend Randy Shannon or strip away any culpability he may have had in all this, but didn't he actually tell everyone to stay away from that slimeball? Again, perhaps that's not enough, but it's not as if he advocated for the guy, either

You think if Jimmy Johnson told his assistants to stay away from someone they'd just go on dealing with the guy anyway? A limp wristed warning is not the same as actually asserting your authority over your subordinates.

^ This. I'm glad our fans our finally rejecting the "Shannon tried to run Shapiro away from the program" myth. Idle threats mean nothing to the NCAA when your recruiting coordinator is taking interest free loans from the rogue booster you supposedly warned everyone to stay away from.

So because Hurtt had dealings with sh1tzero that means Shannvo didn't tell the players and corches to stay away from him? Does not compute. You're stacking too many inferences on top of each other. Shannvo was a paranoid dude. He didn't like sh1tzero for whatever reasons. He tells the corches and players to stay away from the guy because he thinks the guy is bad news. Hurtt, other corches and players disregard that warning and interact with sh1tzero away from campus. How do guys then make the leap that Shannvo must not have told the corches and players to stay away from him?

My mom told me not to drink booze as an underaged kid. She explained thoroughly why I shouldn't. I didn't listen. Does that mean that my mom didn't tell me not to do it? Short of locking me in a room for my entire life there was nothing she was going to say to stop that activity.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

Um, not to defend Randy Shannon or strip away any culpability he may have had in all this, but didn't he actually tell everyone to stay away from that slimeball? Again, perhaps that's not enough, but it's not as if he advocated for the guy, either

You think if Jimmy Johnson told his assistants to stay away from someone they'd just go on dealing with the guy anyway? A limp wristed warning is not the same as actually asserting your authority over your subordinates.

^ This. I'm glad our fans our finally rejecting the "Shannon tried to run Shapiro away from the program" myth. Idle threats mean nothing to the NCAA when your recruiting coordinator is taking interest free loans from the rogue booster you supposedly warned everyone to stay away from.

So because Hurtt had dealings with sh1tzero that means Shannvo didn't tell the players and corches to stay away from him? Does not compute. You're stacking too many inferences on top of each other. Shannvo was a paranoid dude. He didn't like sh1tzero for whatever reasons. He tells the corches and players to stay away from the guy because he thinks the guy is bad news. Hurtt, other corches and players disregard that warning and interact with sh1tzero away from campus. How do guys then make the leap that Shannvo must not have told the corches and players to stay away from him?

My mom told me not to drink booze as an underaged kid. She explained thoroughly why I shouldn't. I didn't listen. Does that mean that my mom didn't tell me not to do it? Short of locking me in a room for my entire life there was nothing she was going to say to stop that activity.

Actions speak louder than words. If Shannon told players and coaches to stay away from Shapiro they clearly didn't listen. Instead of worrying about what players and their parents were saying about him on message boards maybe Shannon should have paid a little more attention to what his subordinates and players were doing in real life, at least with regards to Shapiro.

 

[The Franchise]

Um, not to defend Randy Shannon or strip away any culpability he may have had in all this, but didn't he actually tell everyone to stay away from that slimeball? Again, perhaps that's not enough, but it's not as if he advocated for the guy, either

You think if Jimmy Johnson told his assistants to stay away from someone they'd just go on dealing with the guy anyway? A limp wristed warning is not the same as actually asserting your authority over your subordinates.

^ This. I'm glad our fans our finally rejecting the "Shannon tried to run Shapiro away from the program" myth. Idle threats mean nothing to the NCAA when your recruiting coordinator is taking interest free loans from the rogue booster you supposedly warned everyone to stay away from.

So because Hurtt had dealings with sh1tzero that means Shannvo didn't tell the players and corches to stay away from him? Does not compute. You're stacking too many inferences on top of each other. Shannvo was a paranoid dude. He didn't like sh1tzero for whatever reasons. He tells the corches and players to stay away from the guy because he thinks the guy is bad news. Hurtt, other corches and players disregard that warning and interact with sh1tzero away from campus. How do guys then make the leap that Shannvo must not have told the corches and players to stay away from him?

My mom told me not to drink booze as an underaged kid. She explained thoroughly why I shouldn't. I didn't listen. Does that mean that my mom didn't tell me not to do it? Short of locking me in a room for my entire life there was nothing she was going to say to stop that activity.

Actions speak louder than words. If Shannon told players and coaches to stay away from Shapiro they clearly didn't listen. Instead of worrying about what players and their parents were saying about him on message boards maybe Shannon should have paid a little more attention to what his subordinates and players were doing in real life, at least with regards to Shapiro.

I don't understand why any Canes fan would want to implicate Shannvo in this mess. That does nothing but hurt UM. To each his own though.