Shannon Bares Responsibility

[The Franchise]

Um, not to defend Randy Shannon or strip away any culpability he may have had in all this, but didn't he actually tell everyone to stay away from that slimeball? Again, perhaps that's not enough, but it's not as if he advocated for the guy, either

This is the problem, if Shannon knew about Shapiro's activities and did not advise Hocutt, he will be deemed complicit by the NCAA. If Shannon did advise Hocutt, which many believe he did, and Hocutt did nothing, this is a big problem. Either way UM lacked institutional control. Hocutt had an obligation to thoroughly investigate Shapiro and his activities with the players and it doesn't appear he did. It looks like he chose not to investigate Shapiro cause he didn't want to offend a booster who was giving money to UM. IMO this will be where the NCAA finds cause to hammer us.

IMO, I don't think Shannon knew much about his team. If Shannon didn't know, he couldn't report up because he didn't have anything to report up (he didn't know).

Hocutt and Shalala didn't hear anything from Shannon, because he didn't know and nothing was reported up. Also, Nevin took almost a billion dollars from investors and was able to out do the FBI/DOJ/SEC for some time (relevant because many were duped by this conman criminal aka the smoking gun).

Honestly, what could have been known was likely only known by the end user (the kid who took benefits from Shapiro or the coach that did the same)...this is my hope that because only the end user took stuff and no one else had knowledge that the NCAA punishes the end users here. Some end users have been punished (the kids serving suspensions in the 2011 season and paying back benefits conferred), more end users will be punished (like Bruce Pearl) because raping the program doesn't punish the wrongdoers. Remember now (to the board) we served 2 bowl bans, almost all the players are gone (minus Dyron Dye) and there are no coaches left who were mentioned in the original report...in fact Hocutt is gone.

IMO, we will get a punishment but as the Franchise says the NCAA will hit the coaches harder who were involved.

Excellent post. Hill didn't suddenly decide he didn't like corching at ufag. There are former corches spending huge sums of their own money on legal rep, and they are not doing that for no reason.

Shanntard had a hunch that ****zero was a creep. He didn't like the guy, but I highly doubt it was because he knew anything specific. Most likely, he didn't like him because he was a jock sniffer and knew in his gut that those sorts always want something at the end of the day.

If Shanntard knew any specific misdeeds, then he most likely wouldn't be corching at TCU, as I'm pretty sure TCU made sure he was hireable when they brought him in.

 

[BigPoppaCane]

Moves this **** to the WEZ and let's get it poppin

***** IM READY

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Shannon didn't have the balls to take it further than it is claimed that he did.
For starters, his star 08 class was knee deep in the Shapiro free for all and exposing this via the proper protocol to the higher ups would have resulted in some suspensions. Shannon was basically in to deep with the 08 class and nothing was going to get him out of it.
So he may have superficially told his players and coaches to stay away but when push came to shove Shannon got pushed.

And I'll end with this, there is no doubt in my mind that had Shannon been successful here; ACC champions, BCS bowls, he would have ended up being fired over the Shapiro incident. So yes, he was part of the problem.

 

[The Franchise]

Shannvo couldn't have fugged up this program any more if he actually tried. He will go down as one of the biggest disasters ever associated with UM football. His incompetence and failure was cataclysmic.

 

[nadiamufdi]

Shannvo couldn't have fugged up this program any more if he actually tried. He will go down as one of the biggest disasters ever associated with UM football. His incompetence and failure was cataclysmic.

We were heading down a scary path with Delmar Taylor and the raping wrestler from Illinois at DT, Kevin Nelson, who cant start at Bethune as a 23 year old, at LB, Tallman and his 9 fingers dominating at DE, and Devontae Davis holding down the secondary

 

[The Franchise]

Shannvo couldn't have fugged up this program any more if he actually tried. He will go down as one of the biggest disasters ever associated with UM football. His incompetence and failure was cataclysmic.

We were heading down a scary path with Delmar Taylor and the raping wrestler from Illinois at DT, Kevin Nelson, who cant start at Bethune as a 23 year old, at LB, Tallman and his 9 fingers dominating at DE, and Devontae Davis holding down the secondary

It's scary when Kelvin Quit is one of the most productive guys he recruited in his last couple classes. Shannvo was an absolute scourge on UM football, an don't let anyone tell you otherwise. He made Coker look like Vince Lombardi.

 

[cowboycane]

This thread title = Worst Porno ever made

 

[Dandycane]

Shannvo couldn't have fugged up this program any more if he actually tried. He will go down as one of the biggest disasters ever associated with UM football. His incompetence and failure was cataclysmic.

We were heading down a scary path with Delmar Taylor and the raping wrestler from Illinois at DT, Kevin Nelson, who cant start at Bethune as a 23 year old, at LB, Tallman and his 9 fingers dominating at DE, and Devontae Davis holding down the secondary

It's scary when Kelvin Quit is one of the most productive guys he recruited in his last couple classes. Shannvo was an absolute scourge on UM football, an don't let anyone tell you otherwise. He made Coker look like Vince Lombardi.

Cannot be repeated enough. Then you have idiots like Nights who insist that organizational skills, relationship skills, press skills don't matter - just X's and O's - as if the cart goes before the horse.

God I hope people have been awaken to what a disaster bad HC hires do to a program. Golden at his on the field worst (and I consider 2012 to be the worst team he will ever field at Miami), will leave the next coach a stronger, better conditioned team, organized recruiting relationships, a well spaced (classwise) talent pool and a program purged of mental cancer.

 

[The Franchise]

Shannvo couldn't have fugged up this program any more if he actually tried. He will go down as one of the biggest disasters ever associated with UM football. His incompetence and failure was cataclysmic.

We were heading down a scary path with Delmar Taylor and the raping wrestler from Illinois at DT, Kevin Nelson, who cant start at Bethune as a 23 year old, at LB, Tallman and his 9 fingers dominating at DE, and Devontae Davis holding down the secondary

It's scary when Kelvin Quit is one of the most productive guys he recruited in his last couple classes. Shannvo was an absolute scourge on UM football, an don't let anyone tell you otherwise. He made Coker look like Vince Lombardi.

Cannot be repeated enough. Then you have idiots like Nights who insist that organizational skills, relationship skills, press skills don't matter - just X's and O's - as if the cart goes before the horse.

God I hope people have been awaken to what a disaster bad HC hires do to a program. Golden at his on the field worst (and I consider 2012 to be the worst team he will ever field at Miami), will leave the next coach a stronger, better conditioned team, organized recruiting relationships, a well spaced (classwise) talent pool and a program purged of mental cancer.

I have no idea who this Nights guy is, and based on what you just said, I don't want to know.

An unmitigated disaster like Shannvo can cripple a program for many years no matter how good the following corch is. This dude destroyed every possible element of UM's program from recruiting to strength and conditioning to overall culture. That **** goes way deeper than X's and O's. His stench of incompetence permeated every fiber of our program.

 

[drifters1234]

Shannon didn't have the balls to take it further than it is claimed that he did.
For starters, his star 08 class was knee deep in the Shapiro free for all and exposing this via the proper protocol to the higher ups would have resulted in some suspensions. Shannon was basically in to deep with the 08 class and nothing was going to get him out of it.
So he may have superficially told his players and coaches to stay away but when push came to shove Shannon got pushed.

And I'll end with this, there is no doubt in my mind that had Shannon been successful here; ACC champions, BCS bowls, he would have ended up being fired over the Shapiro incident. So yes, he was part of the problem.

I'm the furthest thing from a Shannon defender bc he absolutely sucked as the head coach. But your entire post appears to be comprised of your own suppositions and speculation. Do you have any factual basis whatsoever for these apparent bull**** assertions that randy only "superficially" told the players to steer clear of the sleezeball and he would have been fired over the "Shapiro incident"?

Remember, this ********** was essentially a professional liar that bilked ridiculous sums of money from otherwise sophisticated investors. It does not seem far fetched that Shannon would have been completely oblivious to the player benefits, particularly given how small the amounts were for individual players.

 

[Dwinstitles]

Shannvo couldn't have fugged up this program any more if he actually tried. He will go down as one of the biggest disasters ever associated with UM football. His incompetence and failure was cataclysmic.

We were heading down a scary path with Delmar Taylor and the raping wrestler from Illinois at DT, Kevin Nelson, who cant start at Bethune as a 23 year old, at LB, Tallman and his 9 fingers dominating at DE, and Devontae Davis holding down the secondary

It's scary when Kelvin Quit is one of the most productive guys he recruited in his last couple classes. Shannvo was an absolute scourge on UM football, an don't let anyone tell you otherwise. He made Coker look like Vince Lombardi.

Cannot be repeated enough. Then you have idiots like Nights who insist that organizational skills, relationship skills, press skills don't matter - just X's and O's - as if the cart goes before the horse.

God I hope people have been awaken to what a disaster bad HC hires do to a program. Golden at his on the field worst (and I consider 2012 to be the worst team he will ever field at Miami), will leave the next coach a stronger, better conditioned team, organized recruiting relationships, a well spaced (classwise) talent pool and a program purged of mental cancer.

I have no idea who this Nights guy is, and based on what you just said, I don't want to know.

An unmitigated disaster like Shannvo can cripple a program for many years no matter how good the following corch is. This dude destroyed every possible element of UM's program from recruiting to strength and conditioning to overall culture. That **** goes way deeper than X's and O's. His stench of incompetence permeated every fiber of our program.

**** im surprised he hasnt entered this Shannon thread his internet is probably down because theres no way he wont take the Shannon bait he loves that guy.

I literally browsed 3 pages without reading just to see if he said something to make me laugh.

 

[Ibis Wingz]

Shannvo couldn't have fugged up this program any more if he actually tried. He will go down as one of the biggest disasters ever associated with UM football. His incompetence and failure was cataclysmic.

We were heading down a scary path with Delmar Taylor and the raping wrestler from Illinois at DT, Kevin Nelson, who cant start at Bethune as a 23 year old, at LB, Tallman and his 9 fingers dominating at DE, and Devontae Davis holding down the secondary

It's scary when Kelvin Quit is one of the most productive guys he recruited in his last couple classes. Shannvo was an absolute scourge on UM football, an don't let anyone tell you otherwise. He made Coker look like Vince Lombardi.

Cannot be repeated enough. Then you have idiots like Nights who insist that organizational skills, relationship skills, press skills don't matter - just X's and O's - as if the cart goes before the horse.

God I hope people have been awaken to what a disaster bad HC hires do to a program. Golden at his on the field worst (and I consider 2012 to be the worst team he will ever field at Miami), will leave the next coach a stronger, better conditioned team, organized recruiting relationships, a well spaced (classwise) talent pool and a program purged of mental cancer.

I have no idea who this Nights guy is, and based on what you just said, I don't want to know.

An unmitigated disaster like Shannvo can cripple a program for many years no matter how good the following corch is. This dude destroyed every possible element of UM's program from recruiting to strength and conditioning to overall culture. That **** goes way deeper than X's and O's. His stench of incompetence permeated every fiber of our program.

Truthfully, we should get credit for self-imposing for the act of hiring and retaining Shannvo. This guy did far more damage to the program than any sanctions meted out by the NCAA could ever do to the program.

 

[Dingaan1828]

Remember, this ********** was essentially a professional liar that bilked ridiculous sums of money from otherwise sophisticated investors. It does not seem far fetched that Shannon would have been completely oblivious to the player benefits, particularly given how small the amounts were for individual players.

I don't know why people keep throwing this out there. Shapiro bilking people out of money is one thing. He lied to them to get the cash. OK, I get that. But, how does that bear on the UM players benefits? Are people really suggesting that Shapiro fooled the players and coaches into accepting illegal benefits?

It's like a guy who steals TVs by talking people out of them. Then, he turns around and gives one of our players a "free" TV. How does the guy give you a TV without you knowing you're not supposed to accept it? There is no slickness involved in him giving you the TV, no matter how slick he was in stealing them.

 

[canelovernolehater]

Shannon thought something was wrong with Shapiro. He warned his players and coaches to stay away. He reported his suspensions to his supervisors. His supervisors in the Athletic Department hired a Licensed P.I. to investigate Shapiro. Investigator couldn't find anything.

Those are the facts!

What we had was two rogue coaches -Hurtt and hill - and a bunch of kids who say nothing wrong with bowling and free meals.

 

[Ibis Wingz]

Remember, this ****sucker was essentially a professional liar that bilked ridiculous sums of money from otherwise sophisticated investors. It does not seem far fetched that Shannon would have been completely oblivious to the player benefits, particularly given how small the amounts were for individual players.

I don't know why people keep throwing this out there. Shapiro bilking people out of money is one thing. He lied to them to get the cash. OK, I get that. But, how does that bear on the UM players benefits? Are people really suggesting that Shapiro fooled the players and coaches into accepting illegal benefits?

It's like a guy who steals TVs by talking people out of them. Then, he turns around and gives one of our players a "free" TV. How does the guy give you a TV without you knowing you're not supposed to accept it? There is no slickness involved in him giving you the TV, no matter how slick he was in stealing them.

I think what the poster was saying was that Shapiro was very good at being a weasel and covering up his malfeasance and that his skill at concealing his malfeasance might have kept his alleged NCAA violations out of Shannvo's sight.

 

[The Franchise]

Remember, this ****sucker was essentially a professional liar that bilked ridiculous sums of money from otherwise sophisticated investors. It does not seem far fetched that Shannon would have been completely oblivious to the player benefits, particularly given how small the amounts were for individual players.

I don't know why people keep throwing this out there. Shapiro bilking people out of money is one thing. He lied to them to get the cash. OK, I get that. But, how does that bear on the UM players benefits? Are people really suggesting that Shapiro fooled the players and coaches into accepting illegal benefits?

It's like a guy who steals TVs by talking people out of them. Then, he turns around and gives one of our players a "free" TV. How does the guy give you a TV without you knowing you're not supposed to accept it? There is no slickness involved in him giving you the TV, no matter how slick he was in stealing them.

Do you trust a guy who bilked people out of millions, is a CONVICTED LIAR, and has a stated vendetta against UM to give truthful testimony against UM? I don't.

As for the part about him fooling people, it goes directly to the element of institutional control, not to the players accepting a few drinks, which they were already punished for.

 

[The Franchise]

We were heading down a scary path with Delmar Taylor and the raping wrestler from Illinois at DT, Kevin Nelson, who cant start at Bethune as a 23 year old, at LB, Tallman and his 9 fingers dominating at DE, and Devontae Davis holding down the secondary

It's scary when Kelvin Quit is one of the most productive guys he recruited in his last couple classes. Shannvo was an absolute scourge on UM football, an don't let anyone tell you otherwise. He made Coker look like Vince Lombardi.

Cannot be repeated enough. Then you have idiots like Nights who insist that organizational skills, relationship skills, press skills don't matter - just X's and O's - as if the cart goes before the horse.

God I hope people have been awaken to what a disaster bad HC hires do to a program. Golden at his on the field worst (and I consider 2012 to be the worst team he will ever field at Miami), will leave the next coach a stronger, better conditioned team, organized recruiting relationships, a well spaced (classwise) talent pool and a program purged of mental cancer.

I have no idea who this Nights guy is, and based on what you just said, I don't want to know.

An unmitigated disaster like Shannvo can cripple a program for many years no matter how good the following corch is. This dude destroyed every possible element of UM's program from recruiting to strength and conditioning to overall culture. That **** goes way deeper than X's and O's. His stench of incompetence permeated every fiber of our program.

Truthfully, we should get credit for self-imposing for the act of hiring and retaining Shannvo. This guy did far more damage to the program than any sanctions meted out by the NCAA could ever do to the program.

At this point, the NCAA should give us some additional scholarships, as we have been under de facto probation for two years during this investigation and we self-imposed the worst form of probation for 4 years by hiring that incompetent bum Shannvo.

 

[Dingaan1828]

Remember, this ****sucker was essentially a professional liar that bilked ridiculous sums of money from otherwise sophisticated investors. It does not seem far fetched that Shannon would have been completely oblivious to the player benefits, particularly given how small the amounts were for individual players.

I don't know why people keep throwing this out there. Shapiro bilking people out of money is one thing. He lied to them to get the cash. OK, I get that. But, how does that bear on the UM players benefits? Are people really suggesting that Shapiro fooled the players and coaches into accepting illegal benefits?

It's like a guy who steals TVs by talking people out of them. Then, he turns around and gives one of our players a "free" TV. How does the guy give you a TV without you knowing you're not supposed to accept it? There is no slickness involved in him giving you the TV, no matter how slick he was in stealing them.

I think what the poster was saying was that Shapiro was very good at being a weasel and covering up his malfeasance and that his skill at concealing his malfeasance might have kept his alleged NCAA violations out of Shannvo's sight.

Then someone should have introduced Shannon to his coaches and players. It's not believable that Shannon smelled a rat, but didn't ASK his coaches and players what their involvement with Shapiro was. Warning the coaches and players sounds fine. But, what did he base those warnings on? Was it just "a feeling"? If so, are we supposed to believe he never sat any of the coaches and players down and talked to them about any of this?

The funniest part (if there is a funny part) of this is that we are getting a plea of ignorance from people on behalf of Shannon, and most people accept it without question. That says volumes about how Shannon is perceived by most people.

 

[Ibis Wingz]

Remember, this ****sucker was essentially a professional liar that bilked ridiculous sums of money from otherwise sophisticated investors. It does not seem far fetched that Shannon would have been completely oblivious to the player benefits, particularly given how small the amounts were for individual players.

I don't know why people keep throwing this out there. Shapiro bilking people out of money is one thing. He lied to them to get the cash. OK, I get that. But, how does that bear on the UM players benefits? Are people really suggesting that Shapiro fooled the players and coaches into accepting illegal benefits?

It's like a guy who steals TVs by talking people out of them. Then, he turns around and gives one of our players a "free" TV. How does the guy give you a TV without you knowing you're not supposed to accept it? There is no slickness involved in him giving you the TV, no matter how slick he was in stealing them.

I think what the poster was saying was that Shapiro was very good at being a weasel and covering up his malfeasance and that his skill at concealing his malfeasance might have kept his alleged NCAA violations out of Shannvo's sight.

Then someone should have introduced Shannon to his coaches and players. It's not believable that Shannon smelled a rat, but didn't ASK his coaches and players what their involvement with Shapiro was. Warning the coaches and players sounds fine. But, what did he base those warnings on? Was it just "a feeling"? If so, are we supposed to believe he never sat any of the coaches and players down and talked to them about any of this?

The funniest part (if there is a funny part) of this is that we are getting a plea of ignorance from people on behalf of Shannon, and most people accept it without question. That says volumes about how Shannon is perceived by most people.

I do not agree with what the poster wrote, I was merely trying to interpret it.

 

[Dingaan1828]

I do not agree with what the poster wrote, I was merely trying to interpret it.

I know. It's all good. We're just discussing.