Shalala still pushing for a settlement

[JefeGringo]

It aint speculation, I remember it well.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

It aint speculation, I remember it well.

Link, then.

Everything I can find says that she was still in her position of director of HHS till January 20th. If she was in place at UM and was instrumental in hiring Coker 2 weeks later, there should be something online about it.

Again, I know that there was discussion about Alvarez when Coker was fired...it was a hot rumor due to the fact that she'd hired him at Whisky and still had much contact with him. But there was never any talk of Alvarez when Butch left, as far as I know.

 

[bomb]

I know she officially took over June of 2001, but I am fairly certain she was already on campus in the interim and had very much a say in who was hired. In fact, I remember Shalala was the one who contacted Coker after Dee informed her that he was his choice. So yeah, she did, in fact, try to bring Alvarez in. She hired him at Wisconsin.

Sounds like an awful lot of speculation to me.

"Speculation" might be generous. She was still in her Washington post until January 20th, 2001 and wasn't hired at miami until June.

As everyone on the hoops board pointed about, Gringo has an anti-shalala agenda because she worked under Clinton a decade ago.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

I know she officially took over June of 2001, but I am fairly certain she was already on campus in the interim and had very much a say in who was hired. In fact, I remember Shalala was the one who contacted Coker after Dee informed her that he was his choice. So yeah, she did, in fact, try to bring Alvarez in. She hired him at Wisconsin.

Sounds like an awful lot of speculation to me.

"Speculation" might be generous. She was still in her Washington post until January 20th, 2001 and wasn't hired at miami until June.

As everyone on the hoops board pointed about, Gringo has an anti-shalala agenda because she worked under Clinton a decade ago.

Sounds about right.

 

[hoops156]

wasnt the coker hire wanted by the players on the team? i thought i read or heard somewhere that they pushed for coker to be promoted

 

[Houtxcane]

I defer to Medly on this one - we avoid this fiasco altogether if our leadership doesn't hire Coker and Shannon. She might be a couple levels up the food chain but she was ultimately of the organization. It's like giving Jamie Dimon a free pass when one of his traders loses billions of dollars on high risk trades. The busk stops at the very top.

You are assuming football is the prime mission of UM of which Shalala is the CEO. It is for you and I on this board, but not so much with the overall mission of the school. So far she has done well in managing this crisis. Let's see what happens next.

 

[ACKCANE]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2001-02-04/sports/0102040136_1_coker-head-coach-dee

 

[Ispyin]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2001-02-04/sports/0102040136_1_coker-head-coach-dee

Its a big difference in her meeting with the recommendation of her AD when she hasnt even started the job, vs full involvement with hiring Randy. One appears to me to be more of a endorsing a conclusion from her staff as courtesy, the other she clearly was full blown in. I would say her record stands at 1 (golden, i hope), 1 (shannon) and 1 (tie- Coker)

But I still LMFAO at those who think she intentionally is bringing program down. Mistakes made? Yes? Does she want to win? Some of you have absolutely no idea of how off you are in her degree of support. Maybe you should all find Tad Foote somewhere...

 

[hoops156]

I defer to Medly on this one - we avoid this fiasco altogether if our leadership doesn't hire Coker and Shannon. She might be a couple levels up the food chain but she was ultimately of the organization. It's like giving Jamie Dimon a free pass when one of his traders loses billions of dollars on high risk trades. The busk stops at the very top.

You are assuming football is the prime mission of UM of which Shalala is the CEO. It is for you and I on this board, but not so much with the overall mission of the school. So far she has done well in managing this crisis. Let's see what happens next.

lol some fans dont care about the school as a whole and just one part of it (football). i agree w u, she has done a great job in her time as president and whoever says she doesnt support athletics is ridiculous bc she does. the school is a much better place now academically w her here and most alums love the fact that we graduated out from a top 40-50 institution.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2001-02-04/sports/0102040136_1_coker-head-coach-dee

Good read. Thanks for the info. Appears jefe was correct re: Coker meeting with Shalala before being hired...however, I'd stop short of placing the full blame on her for his hire.

 

[bomb]

wasnt the coker hire wanted by the players on the team? i thought i read or heard somewhere that they pushed for coker to be promoted

This is exactly correct. They all went to Dee and begged.

 

[bomb]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2001-02-04/sports/0102040136_1_coker-head-coach-dee

Good read. Thanks for the info. Appears jefe was correct re: Coker meeting with Shalala before being hired...however, I'd stop short of placing the full blame on her for his hire.

Yeah but Jeff said she tried to hire Alvarez and "she was already on campus in the interim and had very much a say in who was hired."

Hardly. She wasn't on campus, and only took a meeting in DC with the final person that Dee decided to hire. She didn't interview the different candidates or make any decisions.

Regardless, this isn't about Jeff. We took a few big swings at big names and struck out. Coker was pushed hard by the players and we were in a jam. It is what it is.

 

[dycane]

I defer to Medly on this one - we avoid this fiasco altogether if our leadership doesn't hire Coker and Shannon. She might be a couple levels up the food chain but she was ultimately of the organization. It's like giving Jamie Dimon a free pass when one of his traders loses billions of dollars on high risk trades. The busk stops at the very top.

Genius. Just curious, but what is the basis for your assertion that but/for the hiring of Coker and Shannon we would be in the clear? Can't wait to hear this one. I won't even get into the Dimon analogy. It hurts my brain.

Still waiting buddy...

 

[nebcane]

Dycane - you don't think being led by two grossly incompetent head coaches coaches over a ten year period didn't contribute to the NCAA firestorm which took place? You don't think some of this could have been prevented with competant leadership in the Athletic Department? Is having competent leadership under her not a responsibility of the president? What happened to the U Football is not a one time event - it's a string of judgement errors which took place over a ten year period. Judgement errors at all levels of the organization.

Any President/CEO is ultimately in charge of the performance of the entire entity they run. Right or wrong, directly or indirectly, Senior Leadership of any organization is going to be scrutinized when **** hits the fan. Is she a doing a great job cleaning up the mess - yes. Is she successful as president in other more important aspects of her job - yes. However, I don't think she gets a free pass on NCAA debacle. Too much crap went down for too long to be getting a free pass for that.

 

[JHallCanes]

Unfortunately it already has effected another class.

But there's still time to save 2014 but its going to take a lot of hard work and some sort of resolution.

 

[MedleyCane]

Dycane - you don't think being led by two grossly incompetent head coaches coaches over a ten year period didn't contribute to the NCAA firestorm which took place? You don't think some of this could have been prevented with competant leadership in the Athletic Department? Is having competent leadership under her not a responsibility of the president? What happened to the U Football is not a one time event - it's a string of judgement errors which took place over a ten year period. Judgement errors at all levels of the organization.

Any President/CEO is ultimately in charge of the performance of the entire entity they run. Right or wrong, directly or indirectly, Senior Leadership of any organization is going to be scrutinized when **** hits the fan. Is she a doing a great job cleaning up the mess - yes. Is she successful as president in other more important aspects of her job - yes. However, I don't think she gets a free pass on NCAA debacle. Too much crap went down for too long to be getting a free pass for that.

Well stated.
And it's not only the football program that was a mess.
Look at how bad hoops sank during Perry Clark and Haith, and also look at the NCAA issues associated with that program.
Also consider how bad the baseball has degraded over time, under her watch, and the off-field issues associated with that program.
In summary, UM athletics has been incompetently managed.
That is on her watch.

 

[dycane]

Dycane - you don't think being led by two grossly incompetent head coaches coaches over a ten year period didn't contribute to the NCAA firestorm which took place? You don't think some of this could have been prevented with competant leadership in the Athletic Department? Is having competent leadership under her not a responsibility of the president? What happened to the U Football is not a one time event - it's a string of judgement errors which took place over a ten year period. Judgement errors at all levels of the organization.

Any President/CEO is ultimately in charge of the performance of the entire entity they run. Right or wrong, directly or indirectly, Senior Leadership of any organization is going to be scrutinized when **** hits the fan. Is she a doing a great job cleaning up the mess - yes. Is she successful as president in other more important aspects of her job - yes. However, I don't think she gets a free pass on NCAA debacle. Too much crap went down for too long to be getting a free pass for that.

No. One has nothing to do with the other. This mess was caused by Nevin Shapiro, a sociopathic confidence man with an insatiable desire to feel cool by surrounding himself with impressionable, poor student athletes and a cadre of super-***** whores. In fact, Shannon, in part, will be one of our saving graces. He's not under investigation for a reason -- by all accounts he despised Shapiro and made it abundantly clear that the players were to stay away from him. This is the primary reason Shapiro hated him.

Additionally, Donna was responsible for assimilating one of the best compliance departments in the country. It may sound ironical, but it's true. The real reason we're in this mess is because we're Miami. The Yahoo report was a sensationalized piece of garbage, but it fed the bigots and haters. It reignited the lingering perception that we are Thug U and that the City of Miami is nothing but a menagerie of animals. It put the NCAA in a position where it had to go after Miami, and it gave those inside the NCAA the license to hang Miami out to dry.

You act as if we had two coaches enabling boosters to drop bags of cash across Overtown. Our previous two coaches failed on the field. No doubt. But they didn't bring in a bunch of illiterate, low character players. They didn't ask boosters to pay for kids. They didn't support breaking rules. And they certainly didn't allow Shapiro to run a scam on a bunch of impressionable kids, just like he did with many sophisticated parties to the tune of a billion dollars.

Your generalizations and broad strokes fail at the gate.

 

[JHallCanes]

Dycane - you don't think being led by two grossly incompetent head coaches coaches over a ten year period didn't contribute to the NCAA firestorm which took place? You don't think some of this could have been prevented with competant leadership in the Athletic Department? Is having competent leadership under her not a responsibility of the president? What happened to the U Football is not a one time event - it's a string of judgement errors which took place over a ten year period. Judgement errors at all levels of the organization.

Any President/CEO is ultimately in charge of the performance of the entire entity they run. Right or wrong, directly or indirectly, Senior Leadership of any organization is going to be scrutinized when **** hits the fan. Is she a doing a great job cleaning up the mess - yes. Is she successful as president in other more important aspects of her job - yes. However, I don't think she gets a free pass on NCAA debacle. Too much crap went down for too long to be getting a free pass for that.

Well stated.
And it's not only the football program that was a mess.
Look at how bad hoops sank during Perry Clark and Haith, and also look at the NCAA issues associated with that program.
Also consider how bad the baseball has degraded over time, under her watch, and the off-field issues associated with that program.
In summary, UM athletics has been incompetently managed.
That is on her watch.

Am I retarded that I thought Randy actually may have helped us out a little bit? I know **** got out of hand and he was no CEO but I thought his "program in a bubble" mentality actually made things a little less painful, though it was probably too late for anyone.

 

[Picksix]

I know she officially took over June of 2001, but I am fairly certain she was already on campus in the interim and had very much a say in who was hired. In fact, I remember Shalala was the one who contacted Coker after Dee informed her that he was his choice. So yeah, she did, in fact, try to bring Alvarez in. She hired him at Wisconsin.

Sounds like an awful lot of speculation to me.

"Speculation" might be generous. She was still in her Washington post until January 20th, 2001 and wasn't hired at miami until June.

As everyone on the hoops board pointed about, Gringo has an anti-shalala agenda because she worked under Clinton a decade ago.

Shalala had nothing to do with the Coker hiring. Paul Dee had total control over that hire and the Coker contract extension. Shalala was handed that cluster fock. Then her hands were tied hiring Randy because Coker had his contract extension and was one the highest paid HC's in the nation.

Let's also keep in mind that Golden and Laranaga were hired under Shalala's watch so she can't hate the program as much as the bashers claim. It's nothing but Conservatives who hate her because she's a lib.

 

[SmokeyRone]

Donna gets it.

If Donna got it we wouldn't be in this position in the first place.

Completely disagree. She's been incredible for UM sports. If we had had a Pres who wasn't supportive, involved and pro-active, you have no idea where we'd be right now. We might be done.

LOL! Sghe hired Coker, Shannon, Haith, Perry, and some dumb womans soccer or basketball coach. Political bias at work here.
She killed all three major sports at UM in short order. By 2010, we were fourth in the State, at best, in football, basketball and baseball.