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orange&green84 said:
I don't think anyone has said we have gotten zero production out of Rosier last year. But he was clearly the weak link on offense and it showed itself later on in the season once teams had more film on Rosier - that's the argument.
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I can agree with that somewhat - I definitely think his accuracy and lack of ability to read the field were exposed. I agree he was the weak link on our offense, especially after three of the strongest "links" went down with injury in Richards, Walton, and Herndon.
 
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It's not MY opinion, numbnuts. It's Rick's. You know, the guy making millions for his opinion on the matter. Now start at 3:10 Where he's asked what he thinks about the QBs. He details a laundry list of criteria by which he grades the QBs, of which accuracy is one, and then goes on to state that Malik is ahead of everybody, there's no question about it, and he's the only guy who can run our total system at this moment.
 
Loose Cannon said:
It's not MY opinion, numbnuts. It's Rick's. You know, the guy making millions for his opinion on the matter. Now start at 3:10 Where he's asked what he thinks about the QBs. He details a laundry list of criteria by which he grades the QBs, of which accuracy is one, and then goes on to state that Malik is ahead of everybody, there's no question about it, and he's the only guy who can run our total system at this moment.
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My opinion...that's rich. I gave you the only person's opinion that matters on the subject, and you ignore it. Everything else besides the portion of that interview that I transcribed for you has been irrelevant ramblings of people whose opinion does not matter one bit.
 
RepTheGables said:
You're such a predictable homer and superfan at every turn.

Why even have a message board if we can't discuss the relative merits of the QBs on the roster? The "that's our QB/coach/etc." language is what got us the intellectual dishonesty re: Golden in 2014 and 2015.
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Huh?

Did you forget to take your Midol this morning, or are you in a bad mood because your bf slapped you around?

Where did I say anyone can’t discuss anything on here? Am I stopping anybody? Or are you scared?

But guess what? If I think something is beating a dead horse, I’ll say it, because it’s a message board.

And you know what’s intellectually dishonest? Taking Rosier and comparing him to Golden. What the fūck is that? How are they even comparable? Are you retarded?

And fūcking yes! If Rosier is the guy behind center he’s our quarterback.

I would prefer someone else stepped up and took the job, but if they don’t, that’s on them.

What are you planning to do fūckface, cheer against him?

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Go Canes!! said:
There is no comparing Kaaya and Rosier. Anyone throwing up the coastal championship and wins vs Top 25 has lost their ability to accurately remember the differences in teams each played with and most importantly, individual performances in the games they played.

There is a laundry list of examples where games should and could have been won during Kaaya's tenure where factors beyond his control cost us wins.

He wasn't all world, he had his deficiencies, but the whole "Well Malik beat FSU" position when discussing the two QBs is preposterous.
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Right. The games we lost with Kaaya were due to situations beyond his control. The game we won in 2017 were in spite of Rosier.
 
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I still can't get over tards here claiming Rosier played like crap vs. DUKE. A 162 rating in a blowout win vs a Top 25 D.

WOW
 
ghost2 said:
https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/malik-rosier-through-5-games.123921/

Some of my thoughts on Malik 5 games in - lest we think he was just plain terrible all year long. At one point he was on the freaking Maxwell watch list. He's got some major shortcomings, and they were exposed badly late in the season (the "other shoe" dropped, as alluded to in my post.) I'll go on record saying I'd like to see Perry or Williams take the reins and run with it, but to sit here and pretend we got zero production out of our QB all last year is disingenuous.
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Forgive me. I just wanted to copypasta the whole thing for those who may not click the link out of fear of exposing themselves to material that is in conflict of their bias.

"101/171 (59%), 1371 yards, 12 TDs, 3 INTs - QBR 146.1


For context -

Brad Kaaya as a Jr. through 5 games: 82/127 (64.5%)1149yards, 10 TDs, 4 INTs

Stephen Morris as a Jr. through 5 games: 128/207 (62%) 1635 yards, 9 TDs, 4 INTs

Jacory Harris as a Jr. through 5 games: 94/166 (57%) 1140 yards, 10 TDs, 10 INTs



Yes, I know, different coaching staffs, different opponents and scenarios of course. However, you can't tell me that Malik Rosier doesn't belong as a Miami Hurricanes QB. Also, at this stage in their respective careers, Rosier as more wins over FSU than these three QBs combined. I mean, maybe you can make the argument that NONE of these guys belonged at Miami, but man, what Malik has done so far is nothing short of amazing. Are there plenty of things for him to work on? Absolutely. Has he gotten away with a few passes this season? Probably, but he's also thrown some absolute dimes and his fearlessness and forgetfulness is what has kept us competitive thusfar. Is he limited as a QB as far as the playbook is concerned? You bet. But history has proven that you can win with a "limited" QB. Bama nearly won a title last year with a QB who, IMO, is far more limited as a pure passer than Malik is.

Point is, this is a kid who's easy to root for, a gamer, and will go down swinging hard every time. Will the other shoe drop at some point this season? Is that 4 INT game lurking on the horizon? Maybe, but I firmly believe that the primary reason we're in the top-10 RIGHT NOW is because of Malik freakin' Rosier. How 'bout that?

Enjoy the ride, fellas."

This was the consensus of the board last season through 5 games. The notion that Rosier was terrible all season long is revisionist history. You now have the luxury of hindsight, but fail to use it properly. Nobody ever said that Rosier was great or that he had unlimited potential. His limitations were as a obvious then as they are today. But what was also obvious then that is being ignored now for no other reason than to rip a guy is that we can win within his limitations, and that other teams have and do win with limited QBs.
 
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OkieCane said:
I still can't get over tards here claiming Rosier played like crap vs. DUKE. A 162 rating in a blowout win vs a Top 25 D.

WOW
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If my memory serves me correctly--not a sure thing anymore at my age, at the time of that game Duke had the #3 run defense in the nation and #1 in the ACC. But we probably didn't run the ball well because of Rosier...
 
ghost2 said:
https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/malik-rosier-through-5-games.123921/

Some of my thoughts on Malik 5 games in - lest we think he was just plain terrible all year long. At one point he was on the freaking Maxwell watch list. He's got some major shortcomings, and they were exposed badly late in the season (the "other shoe" dropped, as alluded to in my post.) I'll go on record saying I'd like to see Perry or Williams take the reins and run with it, but to sit here and pretend we got zero production out of our QB all last year is disingenuous.
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Exactly my position.

But according to some on here, since I’m planning to support whoever our QB is, I’m a superfan at every turn and intellectually dishonest.
 
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OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
Huh?

What are you planning to do fūckface, cheer against him?

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There are at minimum 5 people in this thread whom would not surprise me in the least for that to be their reaction if Rosier starts in September. They will root against Us and hope for us to fail just so Richt will have no choice but to bench Rosier for "their guy."
 
I guess this is a good time for my first post. Rosier will be the starter this year against LSU. Anyone who thinks otherwise is foolish. Richt will go with the experienced guy, especially in a big game like that. I tend to agree that we should start Rosier. He has 14 starts under his belt, and his running ability really helped last season. With that said, we will finally have a backup QB (two actually) that is worthy of a Miami scholarship (Perry or Williams). I fully expect one of those two guys to take over at some point this year as soon as Rosier struggles.
 
Loose Cannon said:
Right. The games we lost with Kaaya were due to situations beyond his control. The game we won in 2017 were in spite of Rosier.
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I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying they were different teams at different times under different circumstances. Using the "Yeah but Rosier beat FSU and Kaaya didn't." stance is the most absurdly simplisitc and myopic take possible.
 
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Go Canes!! said:
I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying they were different teams at different times under different circumstances. Using the "Yeah but Rosier beat FSU and Kaaya didn't." is the most absurdly simplisitc and myopic take possible.
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If you'll read my other posts, I'm not making it about just the FSU game. Kaaya didn't get the reputation for choking because he JUST lost to FSU three times. He was 1-7 against ranked teams, his only win coming against #18 West Virginia. And in those games he mostly played well. But throwing for 62% and 350 yards don't mean **** if you fade in the 4th. If you can't make that one throw you have to have to pick up that 4th down conversion or score that game winning TD.

Give me the guy who's 54% but has the balls to wave for the opposing fans to get louder right before he throw a game winning dagger in their hearts.
 
ghost2 said:
I can agree with that somewhat - I definitely think his accuracy and lack of ability to read the field were exposed. I agree he was the weak link on our offense, especially after three of the strongest "links" went down with injury in Richards, Walton, and Herndon.
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I disagree on the latter a bit. Herndon went down in the Pitt game. Rosier wasn't looking great prior to that.

I don't think there's much of a drop off from Walton to Rosier in terms of skillset at RB. Walton's better, but not by a wide significant margin.

Losing a receiver like AR is not a good thing at any point - no argument there. But how many times did Rosier overthrow or not even throw to him when he was open?
 
Loose Cannon said:
There are at minimum 5 people in this thread whom would not surprise me in the least for that to be their reaction if Rosier starts in September. They will root against Us and hope for us to fail just so Richt will have no choice but to bench Rosier for "their guy."
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I know you're putting me on that list. I won't cheer against Rosier or the Hurricanes in general. I'm cheering for Perry or Williams to unseat Rosier so that we have a better chance going forward at the QB position.

I wouldn't doubt Rosier being the starter for LSU.
 
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orange&green84 said:
I know you're putting me on that list. I won't cheer against Rosier or the Hurricanes in general. I'm cheering for Perry or Williams to unseat Rosier so that we have a better chance going forward at the QB position.

I wouldn't doubt Rosier being the starter for LSU.
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I'm cheering for better QB play. Don't care who does it. We won 10 games with 54% Rosier, who is very limited as a passer. We don't need some one who is day and night better. It would be awesome if Cade or Kosi or Jarron become that guy we all want them to be, but the reality is they are not there yet. And that could be fine. It ain't the end of the world. A lot of development will happen between now and September, and even more between now and January, which is where we want to be: still talking football in January.

There's more to being a QB than just the ability to throw a football through a tire. We run a balanced, pro-style offense. 50% of being the QB at Miami is handing the ball off, calling out blitzes, and sliding protection. That Richt interview I transcribed for you...I left out a very important thing he said later. He said the difference between Malik and Nkosi and knowing what to do to get us lined up right and in the correct play is the difference between winning and losing.

Coming straight from the only man whose opinion matters, the difference between Malik and Nkosi is winning and losing. Nkosi is getting better, but he ain't that guy yet. If he wins the job though, you'll never hear me cheer against him.
 
Loose Cannon said:
According to what I'm hearing, it is not a tooth and nail fight. Rick keeps saying, Thomas Brown keeps saying, even Berrios has been at a few practices and said it's Malik and it ain't close. Why is everyone so **** bent on ignoring that? I mean, the only person really saying anything different is @Brooklyndee, and while I respect and appreciate his opinion, it's just one of many.
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I see your point here. However, I think all of the coaches, especially Richt, have been very strategic about their messaging, almost like a talking point for a politician. The coaches keep using different variations of the same phrase, "as it relates to knowing what to do, Malik is far ahead!" Anytime a question is asked about whether or not Malik is still ahead in the race, they preface their message with said phrase. That sounds calculated to me.

It's one thing to know something; it's another thing to execute what you know. If I know that simple principle, clearly so do our coaches. To me, this is basic. If Richt didn't want it to be a QB competition, it would not be a QB competition. Prior and during his first spring at Miami, he stated that the only person on the entire team who was locked in as a starter, was Brad Kaaya! Richt could have very easily done the same thing with Malik, but he didn't and hasn't. Kaaya was the incumbent starter(Malik). Malik was a redshirt SO (Perry). Jack Allison was a true freshman (Williams). There was actually more experience behind Kaaya than it is with Malik, because Malik was a redshirt SO and Perry is just a redshirt FR (Williams and Allison cancels each other out).

The whole, "every position is up for grabs" is just coach speak. That may apply for some positions, but not QB, unless the coach is looking for the incumbent to be unseated. Every coach in America, especially a QB Head Coach like Richt, would love to go into Spring, Summer, and Fall knowing who is going to be under center. This race is more than what meets the eye.
 
I think we also have to take into account the perception of "ceiling" for our QBs. I personally think what you got last year from Rosier is the maxed-out version. Everyone knows he has accuracy and mechanical issues. Everyone knows he's a one-read QB.

Certainly there's no way to know what Perry or Williams' ceilings are at this point, but I think the hope is that, once they pick up the playbook, they're higher than Rosier's.

The dilemma of course is, which QB gives you the best chance to win games right away. With LSU right out of the gate, I have to think it's Rosier - unless Perry or Williams show some amazing things in Fall camp. And if we beat LSU with Rosier at QB, you gotta figure he'll be the QB at least until FSU if not beyond.

Where it gets sticky IMO is if Rosier starts vs. LSU and stinks up the place. Then I'd like to see a short leash and get Williams/Perry in sooner than later.
 
orange&green84 said:
I disagree on the latter a bit. Herndon went down in the Pitt game. Rosier wasn't looking great prior to that.

I don't think there's much of a drop off from Walton to Rosier in terms of skillset at RB. Walton's better, but not by a wide significant margin.

Losing a receiver like AR is not a good thing at any point - no argument there. But how many times did Rosier overthrow or not even throw to him when he was open?
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say huh?

maybe you meant Homer? I assume??

IF so, Walton was the better runner and receiver
 
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