Scrimmage take...

I hope you're right. I liked Malik up until that moment. He was the underdog QB that was a gamer for the season until the Pitt game hit. Then he said he was going through the motions with a perfect season on the line after this program suffered in mediocrity for a little over a decade. How some aren't bothered by that is very baffling.


Someone already said it. We've been a whipped dog for so long that people have forgotten the U legacy and what made them U fans. They've taken on a defeatists attitude.

I got almost $500 in bets about this. If I lose the Malik has really impressed Richt and is going to take us to the promised land. I can lose in dignity then.

I aint losing any money though. Perry or Williams will start. Take it to the bank.
 
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Sorry bro, but you're just plain wrong. Sports Reference gives Bernie credit for 12 games in 1984. In those 12 games:
3642 yards passing with 25 TD's, and -230 rushing for 4 TD's. A grand total of 3,412 yards and 29 TD's.
Bernie Kosar 1984
Malik played in 13 games.
3120 yards passing with 26 TD's, and 468 rushing for 5 Td's. He also caught 1 pass for 17 yards. Total: 3,605 yards and 31 TD's.
Malik Rosier 2017
Statistically speaking, Malik Rosier had the most prolific season in terms of yards and TD's of any QB in UM history. But statistics only tell part of the story. What Rosier will be most remembered for in 2017 is missed opportunities, so I get why it bothers you to see Malik's name next to Bernie's in this conversation. But perhaps it's time to re-evaluate yourselves and stop trying to tear down one player to make your point. My point has never been that Mallik is great or even good, or to compare him to Kosar. I put those numbers up there for context to show that Malik was not terrible all the time. It is impossible for a D1 QB to put up those numbers while being absolutely horrible all the time. It's okay. It is possible, you know, to say we need better QB play in order to build on last season without tearing down a player who contributed massively to the success we had last year. You don't have to go all fool like some of the others and just shrug off 3600 yards and 31 TD's as some anomaly that is so easy to replicate that any old Freshmans we plug in should be able to duplicate with ease.
Actually if you look at sports reference it states at the top theres a lil star if his bowl game stats are included. U might notice they are not with him because they just changed that to start including bowls & conference championship games within the last ten years. Beforehand bowl stats or those kick off classic stats werent included towards the season stats. Thats what i meant when i said differences of the times.
 
Yep. He was a 60% guy who made all the easy throws for 3 quarters, but with the game on the line he'd over throw a receiver by 10 yards. Give me the 54% guy who can't hit the side of a barn in the first half, but doesn't fall apart with the game on the line.

You do realize that this wasn't just for the first half. Also, again, his accuracy (or lack thereof) is merely the main focal point; not the only shortcoming he has as a QB. He doesn't know how to go through his progressions, he locks onto his first receiver, etc...

Sure, Rosier has brass balls. But always remember that GT game was sheer luck that we didn't lose - that ball should've been at the very least knocked away which would've put the game away since it was a 4th down conversion to Langham - Rosier literally underthrew Langham in double coverage. 99 times out of 100 that's at least incomplete.
 
Actually if you look at sports reference it states at the top theres a lil star if his bowl game stats are included. U might notice they are not with him because they just changed that to start including bowls & conference championship games within the last ten years. Beforehand bowl stats or those kick off classic stats werent included towards the season stats. Thats what i meant when i said differences of the times.

For Kosar’s 84 season, tell me what it says under “Games Played.”

I bet it says 12.

But besides, that’s not the point. I know the game was different then and that’s what I’ve been trying to tell you. I ain’t comparing Rozier to Bernie. I’m comparing his numbers to everyone since Bernie. Not just the guy 25 years ago. The guy 5 years ago. The guy 2 years ago.

Kaaya had better mechanics, a better release, and was more accurate as a result. But he sucked on 3rd down, when the game was on the line, or pretty much on any obvious passing situation. He panicked in the face of pressure, whether it was defensive pressure or just the pressure of the moment. Kaaya was a 60% passer with about 5 picks a year, but with time running out and the game on the line, give me Rosier.
 
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For Kosar’s 84 season, tell me what it says under “Games Played.”

I bet it says 12.

But besides, that’s not the point. I know the game was different then and that’s what I’ve been trying to tell you. I ain’t comparing Rozier to Bernie. I’m comparing his numbers to everyone since Bernie. Not just the guy 25 years ago. The guy 5 years ago. The guy 2 years ago.

Kaaya had better mechanics, a better release, and was more accurate as a result. But he sucked on 3rd down, when the game was on the line, or pretty much on any obvious passing situation. He panicked in the face of pressure, whether it was defensive pressure or just the pressure of the moment. Kaaya was a 60% passer with about 5 picks a year, but with time running out and the game on the line, give me Rosier.
Jeezus christ bruh... context is a secondary lost art. Ill spell it out. Berni kosar 84 12 games(regular season no bowl game included in his stats) malik rosier (who you & 1 other dude insist on comparing his stats with everyone else)13 games which includes the acccg & orange bowl.... simple enough? So if you wanna keep comparing his season to everyone else than take off the results of both those games & compare their regular season stats (unless the other person ur comparing him to has those stats included as well.) Thats all. Otherwise if its irrelevant like you say than just stop mentioning all these stats when u decide to argue on a pointless topic. One thing everyone should realize is last season means ****. Moving foward hopefully they can all make the right decisions and decide this on the field. Thanks & goodnight.

Oh & fyi the comparison of him towards any others other than ryan collins,derrick crudup,frank costa or kirby Freeman is a horrible one... other than for freeman we have never dumbed down an offense even to a fraction of what we did for malik. Numbers lie in plenty of instances. Im sorry if that hets lost on others but it dont on me. He is top 3 for our worst starting qbs since howard took over(and even thats pushing it)
 
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That may be, but in terms of knowing what he’s doing out there, Rick says Rosier is way ahead of everyone else.

I would hope so. He he's had the playbook longer than everyone. Ask yourself this, where else would you see a 5th year senior be fighting tooth and nail with a true freshman QB and a RS FR?
 
Were all entitled to an opinion. No pressure. I agree its a simple throw. I also know even whats simple is challenging for certain individuals.

If you look at it that way, EVERY throw presents a challenge.

Sorry brother, but relatively speaking...a shallow cross is about as simple as it gets. If your qb can't make a simple high/low read on a shallow cross / in route combo that is designed to freeze an inside backer...then he's a piece of garbage and you're destined to lose a ton of games anyways.

My kingdom for more shallow crosses. It's been my battle cry on these boards for the last 10 years and I stand by that.
 
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I would hope so. He he's had the playbook longer than everyone. Ask yourself this, where else would you see a 5th year senior be fighting tooth and nail with a true freshman QB and a RS FR?
See that was a huge knock for me man besides the Pitt game .. Was the fact he was like "oh **** kaaya isn't here I got a shot better start watching film now"
 
@calinative umstudent at this point we are beating a dead horse So far the 9th time can you just post your case study for someone who obviously hasn't pained through all the games of last season and just goes "welp we are 10-3 we must be doing something right then"
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I list Completion%, Yards/Attempt, Adjusted Yards/Attempt (My favorite stat), TD/Attempt, INT/Attempt, TD:INT ratio, and QB percentage rating. I chose to leave off the pure stats like total TDs because they are pretty meaningless when the amount of attempts varies between like 120 and 500 attempts. Per attempt stats are much better.

So I started with all the data of FBS Qbs, and took out all qbs who didn't have a minimum of: 6 games, 15 Attempts/game, 100 total attempts, and 100 yards/game. That narrowed it from 170 FBS players to 143 FBS players. In the first half of the chart You can see the average stats for the 142 FBS Qbs (Not including Rosier) in that like turqoise blue or whatever it is. Then I show the Average stats for the 50 Qualifying P5 Qbs (not including Rosier) and the same for the 12 qualifying ACC Qbs (not including Rosier). In Green I show Rosiers stats on the season (vs All). In White are his stats solely vs P5 teams - basically not including Toledo or Bethune. And most importantly is the orange, which shows his stats vs our 5 most important games on the season - FSU, VTech, ND, Clemson, and Wisconsin.

In the second half of the chart I show how Rosier Ranks compared to others. So you can compare Rosiers season stats to all FBS Qbs, just P5 or just ACC. THen you can also just compare Rosiers stats vs our 5 hardest opponents to the rest of the 142 FBS Qbs, P5, or just ACC as well. I have his actual rank (out of the 143, 51, or 13 depending on which grouping you're comparing it to) listed in the chart. And the colors represent his percentile. Red = 0-19th percentile (horrible) .. Orange = 20-39th percentile (bad) .. Yellow = 40-59th percentile (averag-ish).. Green = 60-79th percentile (good) .. Blue = 80-100 (Great). ....his highest percentile ranking was TD% compared to P5 QBs which he ranks in the 76th percentile.
 
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I list Completion%, Yards/Attempt, Adjusted Yards/Attempt (My favorite stat), TD/Attempt, INT/Attempt, TD:INT ratio, and QB percentage rating. I chose to leave off the pure stats like total TDs because they are pretty meaningless when the amount of attempts varies between like 120 and 500 attempts. Per attempt stats are much better.

So I started with all the data of FBS Qbs, and took out all qbs who didn't have a minimum of: 6 games, 15 Attempts/game, 100 total attempts, and 100 yards/game. That narrowed it from 170 FBS players to 143 FBS players. In the first half of the chart You can see the average stats for the 142 FBS Qbs (Not including Rosier) in that like turqoise blue or whatever it is. Then I show the Average stats for the 50 Qualifying P5 Qbs (not including Rosier) and the same for the 12 qualifying ACC Qbs (not including Rosier). In Green I show Rosiers stats on the season (vs All). In White are his stats solely vs P5 teams - basically not including Toledo or Bethune. And most importantly is the orange, which shows his stats vs our 5 most important games on the season - FSU, VTech, ND, Clemson, and Wisconsin.

In the second half of the chart I show how Rosier Ranks compared to others. So you can compare Rosiers season stats to all FBS Qbs, just P5 or just ACC. THen you can also just compare Rosiers stats vs our 5 hardest opponents to the rest of the 142 FBS Qbs, P5, or just ACC as well. I have his actual rank (out of the 143, 51, or 13 depending on which grouping you're comparing it to) listed in the chart. And the colors represent his percentile. Red = 0-19th percentile (horrible) .. Orange = 20-39th percentile (bad) .. Yellow = 40-59th percentile (averag-ish).. Green = 60-79th percentile (good) .. Blue = 80-100 (Great). ....his highest percentile ranking was TD% compared to P5 QBs which he ranks in the 76th percentile.

Good stuff appreciate it for my sanity ... Honestly make a thread with just this
 
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Jeezus christ bruh... context is a secondary lost art. Ill spell it out. Berni kosar 84 12 games(regular season no bowl game included in his stats) malik rosier (who you & 1 other dude insist on comparing his stats with everyone else)13 games which includes the acccg & orange bowl.... simple enough? So if you wanna keep comparing his season to everyone else than take off the results of both those games & compare their regular season stats (unless the other person ur comparing him to has those stats included as well.) Thats all. Otherwise if its irrelevant like you say than just stop mentioning all these stats when u decide to argue on a pointless topic. One thing everyone should realize is last season means ****. Moving foward hopefully they can all make the right decisions and decide this on the field. Thanks & goodnight.

Oh & fyi the comparison of him towards any others other than ryan collins,derrick crudup,frank costa or kirby Freeman is a horrible one... other than for freeman we have never dumbed down an offense even to a fraction of what we did for malik. Numbers lie in plenty of instances. Im sorry if that hets lost on others but it dont on me. He is top 3 for our worst starting qbs since howard took over(and even thats pushing it)
This is why stats per attempt are much better.....20 TDs on 300 attempts is better than 25 TDs on 400 attempts..
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Adjusted Yards/Attempt is one of the most important stats, and Kosar demolishes Rosier, especially when you look at Rosiers stats without Toledo or Bethune OR even more when its only looking at Rosiers games vs the 5 important games we played. And Kosar has a much higher Comp%. Both had high similar TD% and INT%. Think stats show Kosar is better. But, it was a different time so the stats aren't exactly all that comparable.
 
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You would think you can't argue past that chart but I'm sure someone here will find a way to factor in the 10-3 narrative
 
If you look at it that way, EVERY throw presents a challenge.

Sorry brother, but relatively speaking...a shallow cross is about as simple as it gets. If your qb can't make a simple high/low read on a shallow cross / in route combo that is designed to freeze an inside backer...then he's a piece of garbage and you're destined to lose a ton of games anyways.

My kingdom for more shallow crosses. It's been my battle cry on these boards for the last 10 years and I stand by that.
I dont blame you at all for that. We do need to incorporate more routes like that far more often. For qbs who throw 5 yard routes along the boundary into dirt as a regular occurrence do u really want him testing his meddle over the middle. There really is no room to complicate **** with him. Thats why ill steady scream any of the other 3 are my pick. Myself like everyone else finally wants to see the potential of all these weapons utilized. That isnt being done by throwing shallow crosses brother.
 
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