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fincane said:
People who say “I just want to go with one of the young guys and see what happens” make me feel the same. A lot of tough talk in April when you can delude yourself into thinking they’ll improve as the season goes along as if it isn’t more likely that going with unproven young guys means you’ll be rotating through them and eventually be playing Rosier anyway.
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That or hindsight. When we were winning, when we beat FSU, none of these people were on the Bench Rosier and give Perry a chance to go through "his growing pains," bandwagon. Any person who's had to endure the 15 years of mediocrity and can sit and say that they'd trade 10-3 last season for whatever result so long as Perry got through his "growing pains" is a fool and it becomes more evident each day Jarron Williams closes the gap on the QB2 spot. You would have risked last season for a guy who may not even be qualified to be Malik's backup.
 
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Loose Cannon said:
And I also understand that there is a huge difference between Dorsey's 56% and Malik's 54%, and that difference is that Dorsey wasn't very apt to go out and put a 40% performance. But you can't say that Rosier was terrible all the time by just pointing out the 40%s. If he averaged 54%, and he had some times when he was 40%, then he also had times when he was over 54%. That's how averages work.
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And he also threw 10-15 bubble screens per game opposed to dorsey & EVERY QB WE EVER HAD (minus his texas twin) throwing the ball down field...
 
Loose Cannon said:
I don't think anyone is saying that, but this seems to be what everyone is trying to argue against.

You cannot possibly say with any degree of certainty that had we played another QB last season that anyone on our roster would have put up over 3,600 yards and 31 TD's. You can't say that because it's never happened. Ever.

I just do not see the problem for accepting last season for what it was, realizing where improvements must be made for us to take the next step, and doing it without trashing a player. The best QB will start vs. LSU in September. Who cares what name is on the back of his jersey as long as he's the best we have?
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Last season's roster and this year's are different in terms of the QB depth chart. Last year we had Malik in his 4th year, Evan (who's not remotely a division 1 QB) and two true freshman in Weldon and Perry (who got here in late May). Of course we weren't going to do any better that year than with Malik.

The problem with the improvements you're citing is that as a 5th year senior, you're highly unlikely as a QB to make a tremendous leap in improvement on accuracy, learning how to make reads, etc.. It's also rather difficult to fix complacency, which Rosier admittingly was last season.
 
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Brooklyndee said:
And he also threw 10-15 bubble screens per game opposed to dorsey & EVERY QB WE EVER HAD (minus his texas twin) throwing the ball down field...
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If Malik
orange&green84 said:
Last season's roster and this year's are different in terms of the QB depth chart. Last year we had Malik in his 4th year, Evan (who's not remotely a division 1 QB) and two true freshman in Weldon and Perry (who got here in late May). Of course we weren't going to do any better that year than with Malik.

The problem with the improvements you're citing is that as a 5th year senior, you're highly unlikely as a QB to make a tremendous leap in improvement on accuracy, learning how to make reads, etc.. It's also rather difficult to fix complacency, which Rosier admittingly was last season.
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Tom Brady threw 30 Td's TOTAL in 4 seasons at Michigan. If I were to compare Malik Rosier to Tom Brady, that'd be almost as absurd as you implying that a person in college can be too old to make improvements to his game.
 
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Loose Cannon said:
If Malik


Tom Brady threw 30 Td's TOTAL in 4 seasons at Michigan. If I were to compare Malik Rosier to Tom Brady, that'd be almost as absurd as you implying that a person in college can be too old to make improvements to his game.
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It's not worth it man, it's kinda funny that all the years we struggled the coach was the scapegoat for all the incessant whining and bytching, now that we've improved they've moved on to a new target. I seriously question the mental capacity of a lot of posters on this board that are practically incapable of accepting any other opinion other than their own.

The facts are very simple at this point.
He's performing the best of the QB's at this point
He had his ups and downs last year
No one has any clue as to how he'll perform in the future
 
Loose Cannon said:
If Malik


Tom Brady threw 30 Td's TOTAL in 4 seasons at Michigan. If I were to compare Malik Rosier to Tom Brady, that'd be almost as absurd as you implying that a person in college can be too old to make improvements to his game.
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Man, are you serious? Brady barely played his freshman and sophmore years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Brady

He didn't become the starter until his junior year. He ended his collegiate career at Michigan with a 62% completion percentage. You also have to take into account what type of offense Michigan runs, what personnel they have, etc...

One thing that was mentioned is accuracy is important from the jump with QBs; they either have it or they don't. In Brady's case, his numbers weren't great his first starting year, but he was always accurate.

Horrible comparison.
 
You've got to stop comparing modern day QB numbers to guys who played 20 years ago. The game was vastly different. If you want to compare Malik Rosier's numbers to another QB, you have to compare them to some one who's played recently. Besides a handful of triple option teams, everybody in college football runs more plays and throws way more passes than they did in the past.
 
If we had Shockey and Johnson and RBs like Gore, Davenport, Portis, etc. as receivers and RBs, you can bet we'd still be throwing the ball downfield. Game hasn't changed, personnel has.
 
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Brooklyndee said:
And he also threw 10-15 bubble screens per game opposed to dorsey & EVERY QB WE EVER HAD (minus his texas twin) throwing the ball down field...
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Dumbasses comparing these simplistic type of offenses to 10-20 years ago. The amount of easy throws per game is ridiculous. Reads are also easier with the spread /rpo stuff now. Which makes Rosier look even worse than he is.

This argument just proves how much some of these people don’t know. Hopefully they’re just dumb millenials that never watched football before this decade.
 
hotshot said:
If we had Shockey and Johnson and RBs like Gore, Davenport, Portis, etc. as receivers and RBs, you can bet we'd still be throwing the ball downfield. Game hasn't changed, personnel has.
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And rosier would still be completing 50 % of his throws and over throwing wide open guys.
 
Are there people comparing Rosier to Dorsey in here? No way these people have actually seen both play
 
FlaSportsFan88 said:
Are there people comparing Rosier to Dorsey in here? No way these people have actually seen both play
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I’ve never gotten the Dorsey hate , dude was pretty much the general of the offense , one of the smartest players we’ve ever had. Also one of the most highly respected.

But dumb dumbs here think anyone could’ve played qb and balled out.

Well Kelly , Berlin , Crudup played with all these studs and we’re meh or just bad. BB had a pretty good Sr year but was atrocious as a jr. Totally wasted an all time great defense. He literally single handidly lost games.

After Dorsey the qb position died and we’ve been looking ever since.
 
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What are the anit-Rosier guys going to say when he is under center vs. LSU?

Fire Richt?

Or just keep crying??
 
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OkieCane said:
What are the anit-Rosier guys going to say when he is under center vs. LSU?

Fire Richt?

Or just keep crying??
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Not fire Mark Richt but definitely John Richt. If you're the QB coach and the best QB you can trot out is a sub 50% passer against any team with a pulse, you should not have a job.
 
DTP said:
Not fire Mark Richt but definitely John Richt. If you're the QB coach and the best QB you can trot out is a sub 50% passer against any team with a pulse, you should not have a job.
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It's getting there. If you're going to hire your son as a QB coach, then make sure the QB position is shored up. We're heading into year 3 under the Richt era. If this were the case anywhere other than Miami (where Jon Richt was working), ask yourself if he'd have a job.
 
QuatroCane said:
It's not worth it man, it's kinda funny that all the years we struggled the coach was the scapegoat for all the incessant whining and bytching, now that we've improved they've moved on to a new target. I seriously question the mental capacity of a lot of posters on this board that are practically incapable of accepting any other opinion other than their own.

The facts are very simple at this point.
He's performing the best of the QB's at this point
He had his ups and downs last year
No one has any clue as to how he'll perform in the future
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Not gonna argue anything with you but ive got one question. Who's told you he's performing the best out of the qbs now?
 
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